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Re: Kyodo Steel snow plow question

Don <riverman_vt@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "cereshill" <cereshill@...> wrote:

Fellas,

What eastern roads had this piece of rolling stock and what are the appropriate colors? I have posted a link to show the actual model.

Thanks,
Brad Andonian
http://www.brasstrains.com/Classic/Product/Detail/048473/O-Scale-NJ-Custom-Brass-Kyodo-Steel-Winged-Snow-Plow


CNR has been suggested but I think not. Try CPR instead and you'll probably have it. The same snowplow was offered by Kemtron in both HO & O scale eons ago. Still have my HO one for CPR use. IIRC Van Hobbies did a run of theses as well and better detailed for CPR use.

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: True Line trains slab side CN covered hopper

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jul 29, 2013, at 6:01 PM, Armand Premo <armprem2@surfglobal.net> wrote:
Barrett (Tarvia) a division of Allied Chemical had hopper bottom tank cars for shipping roofing material.Looked pretty much like an ordinary tank car,but with hoppers.They may have been converted tank cars.
The Barrett cars were converted from GATC tank cars built in the 1920s. But they have noting to do with the Canadian covered hoppers that are under discussion here.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Replacement medal wheel ssets

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jul 29, 2013, at 7:07 PM, larry <mrprksr@bellsouth.net> wrote:

I have several accurail cars I'm finally getting around to detailing and I am finding that Kadee #520 wheels are kinda snug (the axle is too long)...Question is what are you fellowa using in these trucks.....Thanks.....Larry Mennie
Larry, Northwest Shot Line semi-scale wheel sets, my usual replacement for code 110 wheel sets, roll very freely in Accurail trucks.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: DL&W 46155 gets a load of bagged limestone 1957 (UNCLASSIFIED)

Jack Mullen
 

I guess I need to remember to indicate humor. Both Dennis and Gene wrote good, serious responses to what I had, for the most part, intended as a play on Eldon's "What more could a modeler want?"

Gene did start with humor.

Round, typically.
If I'd said "hand brake" as Gene suggests, it would have left open the possibility of a lever handbrake. Not round, but uncommon on boxcars.
Not to criticize Jack specifically but it would be more accurate to speak of the "hand brake"
I did want to call attention to the missing door. I agree that this is evidence that the car is being unloaded. If loaded with a door missing, not only is it going to get a trip to the rip track and a few days delay, I think the railroad could refuse to handle it until it's unloaded.

Dennis is quite right that customers would jerk stuck doors off the car, and occasionally a door that was stubborn would lift off the track and fall when someone was trying slide it open. Unlatched doors sometimes fall off of moving cars, especially so with plug doors.

Thanks for your comments, Gene and Dennis.

Jack Mullen


Re: Replacement medal wheel ssets

Tony Thompson
 

Larry Mennie wrote:
I have several accurail cars I'm finally getting around to detailing and I am finding that Kadee #520 wheels are kinda snug (the axle is too long)...Question is what are you fellowa using in these trucks.....Thanks.....
usually the Reboxx 1.020 axles work best for me in Accurail AAR trucks.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
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Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Replacement medal wheel ssets

Bruce Smith
 

Larry,

One of the best tools you can get for this is the Reboxx trial set, with a wide range of axle lengths. I use it all the time to determine which replacement wheels to use.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, Al
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Subject: [STMFC] Replacement medal wheel ssets

I have several accurail cars I'm finally getting around to detailing and I am finding that Kadee #520 wheels are kinda snug (the axle is too long)...Question is what are you fellowa using in these trucks.....Thanks.....Larry Mennie


Replacement medal wheel ssets

larry <mrprksr@...>
 

I have several accurail cars I'm finally getting around to detailing and I am finding that Kadee #520 wheels are kinda snug (the axle is too long)...Question is what are you fellowa using in these trucks.....Thanks.....Larry Mennie


Re: Kyodo Steel snow plow question

John C. La Rue, Jr. <MOFWCABOOSE@...>
 

Definitely a Canadian design built in large numbers by Eastern Car Company, but also by Dominion Car Company and National Steel Car Company.

Not seen in the US except at Brownsville Junction, Maine, where the Canadian Pacific crossed the Bangor and Aroostook - there were always at least two there. Most CN and CP subsidiaries in the US used American-built Russell snowplows

On the Canadian National the cars were usually freight car brown with white lettering. After the era of this list, they were repainted orange.

On the Canadian Pacific the cars were black with the blade and the rear end, and sometimes the cupola ends, painted bright red, with white lettering.

John C. La Rue, Jr.
Bonita Springs, FL

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Fellas,

What eastern roads had this piece of rolling stock and what are the appropriate colors? I have posted a link to show the actual model.

Thanks,
Brad Andonian
http://www.brasstrains.com/Classic/Product/Detail/048473/O-Scale-NJ-Custom-Brass-Kyodo-Steel-Winged-Snow-Plow








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Re: True Line trains slab side CN covered hopper now CP Mini-Box

Tony Thompson
 

Bruce Smith wrote:
Absolutely! Shipments from Canada to just about anywhere in the US could be carried in these cars. The real issue is that they were not supposed to be used for complete movements on this side of the border.
I know this was the rule. But in the conductor books I have from the SP Coast Line in 1948-1952, of the three Canadian cars which show up (out of about 2000 cars total), two are being reloaded in California.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: True Line trains slab side CN covered hopper now CP Mini-Box

Bruce Smith
 

Bill,

Absolutely! Shipments from Canada to just about anywhere in the US could be carried in these cars. The real issue is that they were not supposed to be used for complete movements on this side of the border. A common cargo was paper, but many other Canadian manufactured goods made the journey.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
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Subject: [STMFC] Re: True Line trains slab side CN covered hopper now CP Mini-Box

I see the CP mini box on their web page. Did any state side handle these cars? I want one with the staggered lettering and lumber door. Klein doesn't show them.

Bill McCoy
Jax, FL

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, BRIAN PAUL EHNI <bpehni@...> wrote:
True Line also offers the CPR steel 40' "Minibox", Canadian overhead bunker
steel ice reefers, 36' steel-frame "Fowler" boxcars, and Canadian 40', 10'
i.h. steel boxcars. All are nice models of cars that ran into the US.

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"Norman+Laraine Larkin" <lonolarkin1@> wrote:

Its a nice (but expensive) model. I saw them frequently (both CP and CN) on
westbound trains on the B&M main line at East Deerfield, MA in the 70s. Not
sure what they were hauling or to whom.
Norm Larkin


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Subject: [STMFC] True Line trains slab side CN covered hopper


Any comments or thoughts on the True line CN slab side covered hopper? Did
they ever come to the US?

Bill McCoy
Jax, FL



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Re: True Line trains slab side CN covered hopper

Armand Premo
 

Barrett (Tarvia) a division of Allied Chemical had hopper bottom tank cars for shipping roofing material.Looked pretty much like an ordinary tank car,but with hoppers.They may have been converted tank cars.Armand Premo

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Subject: [STMFC] Re: True Line trains slab side CN covered hopper



--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Bill" <wpmccoy@...> wrote:
>
> Any comments or thoughts on the True line CN slab side covered hopper? Did they ever come to the US?
>
> Bill McCoy
> Jax, FL
>
Potash was a common commodity for these cars right through the 60's and into the early 1970's. I have data from the Ann Arbor RR carferry manifests showing them loaded in Saskatchewan and routed CN-DWP-SOO-AA or CP-SOO-AA. From there they went to lots of co-op and crop service places in Michigan and throughout the midwest. The slab-sides weren't the only covered hoppers in this service. The CN and CP "tank hoppers" were common too.

Craig Wilson


Re: True Line trains slab side CN covered hopper now CP Mini-Box

Bill McCoy
 

I see the CP mini box on their web page. Did any state side handle these cars? I want one with the staggered lettering and lumber door. Klein doesn't show them.

Bill McCoy
Jax, FL

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, BRIAN PAUL EHNI <bpehni@...> wrote:
True Line also offers the CPR steel 40' "Minibox", Canadian overhead bunker
steel ice reefers, 36' steel-frame "Fowler" boxcars, and Canadian 40', 10'
i.h. steel boxcars. All are nice models of cars that ran into the US.

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"Norman+Laraine Larkin" <lonolarkin1@> wrote:

Its a nice (but expensive) model. I saw them frequently (both CP and CN) on
westbound trains on the B&M main line at East Deerfield, MA in the 70s. Not
sure what they were hauling or to whom.
Norm Larkin


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Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 8:54 PM
Subject: [STMFC] True Line trains slab side CN covered hopper


Any comments or thoughts on the True line CN slab side covered hopper? Did
they ever come to the US?

Bill McCoy
Jax, FL



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Re: True Line trains slab side CN covered hopper

thetrainman00@...
 

Hi,

Tank hoppers is a new one on me. Can anyone share a photo of one. Thanks
in advance.

Happy Model Railroading,
Jim Krapf


Re: True Line trains slab side CN covered hopper

cwilson@...
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Bill" <wpmccoy@...> wrote:

Any comments or thoughts on the True line CN slab side covered hopper? Did they ever come to the US?

Bill McCoy
Jax, FL
Potash was a common commodity for these cars right through the 60's and into the early 1970's. I have data from the Ann Arbor RR carferry manifests showing them loaded in Saskatchewan and routed CN-DWP-SOO-AA or CP-SOO-AA. From there they went to lots of co-op and crop service places in Michigan and throughout the midwest. The slab-sides weren't the only covered hoppers in this service. The CN and CP "tank hoppers" were common too.

Craig Wilson


Re: Kyodo Steel snow plow question

Gene <bierglaeser@...>
 

CN MWK 55219 is an Eastern Car plow built in 1926 but notice the different wing design.
Gene Green

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Schneider" <bschneider424@...> wrote:

Could be…

http://freight.railfan.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=cn55219&o=cn

Bill Schneider



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Bruce F. Smith
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 5:36 PM
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Subject: Re: [STMFC] Kyodo Steel snow plow question

 
Brad,

That's a shorty! Definitely NOT PRR. My immediate thought was Canada.

Regards

Bruce

Bruce F. Smith

Auburn, AL

https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."

On Jul 29, 2013, at 4:29 PM, cereshill wrote:

Fellas,

What eastern roads had this piece of rolling stock and what are the
appropriate colors? I have posted a link to show the actual model.

Thanks,
Brad Andonian
http://www.brasstrains.com/Classic/Product/Detail/048473/O-Scale-NJ-Custom-B
rass-Kyodo-Steel-Winged-Snow-Plow

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Re: Kyodo Steel snow plow question

Gene <bierglaeser@...>
 

On Jul 29, 2013, at 4:29 PM, cereshill wrote:
Fellas,
What eastern roads had this piece of rolling stock and what are the appropriate colors? I have posted a link to show the actual model.
Thanks,
Brad Andonian
http://www.brasstrains.com/Classic/Product/Detail/048473/O-Scale-NJ-Custom-Brass-Kyodo-Steel-Winged-Snow-Plow
Both Canadian Car & Foundry and Eastern Car Company built snow plows similar to that. The model appears to be of one built by Eastern. My information indicates that all Eastern Car snow plows were owned by the Canadian National. Only a few later passed to other, smaller Canadian roads.

Gene Green
who is probably off to jail because this topic is a subject for a different yahoo discussion group.


Re: DL&W 46155 gets a load of bagged limestone 1957 (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gene <bierglaeser@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "moonmuln" <jack.f.mullen@...> wrote:
snip< > And some modelers probably want to know what kind of brake wheel it has. >snip<
Round, typically.

Not to criticize Jack specifically but it would be more accurate to speak of the "hand brake" of which the "hand wheel" (often referred to as the "brake wheel") is one part.

The period during which the hand wheel was indicative of the manufacturer of the hand brake was a mere 25 years although that 25 year period (about 1935 to 1960) corresponds quite closely the interests of the greatest part of this group.

From the early 1950s onward the hand wheels were interchangeable and replacement hand wheels could have come from any manufacturer including one which produced hand wheels only but not hand brakes.

I'll get off my soap box and head for cover. Again, Jack, no offense intended.

Gene Green


Re: Kyodo Steel snow plow question

Steve Vallee
 

Dear Brad...

   It looks to me like a Canadian Pacific snow plow. Am willing to let experts give their take on it.

  Steve Vallee




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Fellas,

What eastern roads had this piece of rolling stock and what are the appropriate colors? I have posted a link to show the actual model.

Thanks,
Brad Andonian
http://www.brasstrains.com/Classic/Product/Detail/048473/O-Scale-NJ-Custom-Brass-Kyodo-Steel-Winged-Snow-Plow




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Re: DL&W 46155 gets a load of bagged limestone 1957 (UNCLASSIFIED)

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "moonmuln" <jack.f.mullen@...> wrote:


http://images.library.pitt.edu/cgi-bin/i/image/image-idx?rgn1=ic_all;op2=And;rgn2=ic_all;xc=1;g=imls;sort=dc_da;q1=railroad;size=20;c=hpicasc;c=hpicchatham;c=hpiccma;c=hpichswp;c=hpicmonroeville;c=hpicnpl;c=hpicoakmont;c=hpicphlf;c=hpicpitcairn;c=hpicpointpark;c=hpicrsc;c=hpicusc;back=back1375121394;subview=detail;resnum=4639;view=entry;lastview=thumbnail;cc=hpicasc;entryid=x-200907.1957.10022;viewid=20121127-HPICASC-0126.TIF

Well, I'd like to know what happened to the door.

And some modelers probably want to know what kind of brake wheel it has.

Seriously, are you sure it's being loaded? My impression is that the setup looks like unloading.

Jack Mullen
Well, I can answer that. My Dad (who worked for a lumber yard during the thirties) told me how they dealt with doors that were jammed because the load had shifted against them... They'd back a truck up to the door, perpendicular to the track, wedge the hooks of a couple chains behind the edges of the door, and hook the chains to the truck. Then they'd drive straight away from the car; when the slack ran out, the door popped off the side of the car. When they'd finished unloading, they'd throw the door into the empty car for the railroad to deal with.

Which is why I say the car is being UNloaded... no sense loading a car that's going to the RIP track.

Dennis


Re: Kyodo Steel snow plow question

Bill Schneider
 

Could be…

http://freight.railfan.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=cn55219&o=cn

Bill Schneider



From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Bruce F. Smith
Sent: Monday, July 29, 2013 5:36 PM
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Kyodo Steel snow plow question

 
Brad,

That's a shorty! Definitely NOT PRR. My immediate thought was Canada.

Regards

Bruce

Bruce F. Smith

Auburn, AL

https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."

On Jul 29, 2013, at 4:29 PM, cereshill wrote:

Fellas,

What eastern roads had this piece of rolling stock and what are the
appropriate colors? I have posted a link to show the actual model.

Thanks,
Brad Andonian
http://www.brasstrains.com/Classic/Product/Detail/048473/O-Scale-NJ-Custom-B
rass-Kyodo-Steel-Winged-Snow-Plow

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