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Re: Phoney RPM Meet

Dan Sweeney Jr
 

Mr. Valentine,

Thank you for not continuing the excessive flaming that characterized your previous post on this subject.  I for one welcome the opportunity to attend an RPM meet at a location that is not hundreds of miles from home.  If this meet is successful (no thanks to the curious negative posts), perhaps next year the venue can be larger and more attendees can be accommodated.

Dan Sweeney, Jr.

Alexandria, VA 



--- In STMFC@..., <stmfc@...> wrote:

Correction Tom,
 
     The post was put on the STMFC and PCL less than 24 hours apart, the first on Thurs. morning
and the other on yesterday, which is not several days ago either. As Alex schneider responded, most
NMRA monthly meetings are larger. With the NMRA Regionals I have run we had some idea from
past attendence how many might come and in the NER we knew from past experience that some
locations in Norhern New England drew much better than tose in the southern tier of Mass., Conn.
and R.I. To his great credit Dave Owens did not use a facility that would drastically limit the number
of people who could attend the New England RPM Meet when it was begun nine years ago. I believe
the Collinsville center has handicapped access as well. There were considerably more than forty people
who attended that first meet and it is NOT within less than an hour of a major population center like
Washington, DC. Even Baltimore is less than two hours away and Richmond only 2 1/2.  With the very
specific milk train meets I have organized no facility where attendancce was limited was ever considered
and each of these was held at a location in northern Vermont that was a minimum of 2 1/2 hours from
Boston and at least the same for anyone who might have wished to come from the Montreal area. With
the tree that were held attendees came from as far away as Washington State and California. We had forty
people at the first one even with such a limited focus and rural location. And this is the point. RPM meets
have become well enough established so that I do not think it is unrealistic to expect a MINIMUM of
more than forty people ecven at a first attempt in almost any location you can think of short of Thule,
Geenland. Thus I feel that an effort to establish one in the Mid-Atlantic area in such a woefully inadequate
facility is an insult to the average persons intelligence. The fact that a number of people have been turned
away certainly indicates as much.
 
Another view of the matter, Don Valentine


Re: Phoney RPM Meet

Don Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

Correction Tom,
 
     The post was put on the STMFC and PCL less than 24 hours apart, the first on Thurs. morning
and the other on yesterday, which is not several days ago either. As Alex schneider responded, most
NMRA monthly meetings are larger. With the NMRA Regionals I have run we had some idea from
past attendence how many might come and in the NER we knew from past experience that some
locations in Norhern New England drew much better than tose in the southern tier of Mass., Conn.
and R.I. To his great credit Dave Owens did not use a facility that would drastically limit the number
of people who could attend the New England RPM Meet when it was begun nine years ago. I believe
the Collinsville center has handicapped access as well. There were considerably more than forty people
who attended that first meet and it is NOT within less than an hour of a major population center like
Washington, DC. Even Baltimore is less than two hours away and Richmond only 2 1/2.  With the very
specific milk train meets I have organized no facility where attendancce was limited was ever considered
and each of these was held at a location in northern Vermont that was a minimum of 2 1/2 hours from
Boston and at least the same for anyone who might have wished to come from the Montreal area. With
the tree that were held attendees came from as far away as Washington State and California. We had forty
people at the first one even with such a limited focus and rural location. And this is the point. RPM meets
have become well enough established so that I do not think it is unrealistic to expect a MINIMUM of
more than forty people ecven at a first attempt in almost any location you can think of short of Thule,
Geenland. Thus I feel that an effort to establish one in the Mid-Atlantic area in such a woefully inadequate
facility is an insult to the average persons intelligence. The fact that a number of people have been turned
away certainly indicates as much.
 
Another view of the matter, Don Valentine


Re: Phoney RPM Meet

Bob DeMoss
 

I just checked my incoming "E" mails and Rich Orr clarified the PRM problem. As they said facility was not Handicap accessible, and if they had added, that due to it's size, Number of people it could accommodate is limited to 40, would explain the preregistration requirement. You would not want a hundred modelers show up, if the space could not accommodate them. 
I have been involved in several events with our Division, and trying to meet a minimum number of attendees, to just pay costs is terrifying to me. I know of at least one event, that the Division had to make up the difference.
It seems to me, that this RPM group needs to explain the reason for the limition of attendees, would have clarified the whole thing.

Bob DeMoss
L.A Division Director.
 
 

On 09/06/13, Bob DeMoss wrote:
 
 

I DID NOT RECEIVED "E" MAIL FROM  DON VALENTINE.  PLEASE FORWARD,

Bob DeMoss
 
 
On 09/06/13, Tony Thompson<tony@...> wrote:
 
 

Bob DeMoss wrote:

Tony.
I received this "E" mail, and I don't know what you are talking about, regarding the RPM.  Please enlighted me.
Bob DeMoss
L.A. Division Director. 

    Read the email from Don Valentine.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
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Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: Phoney RPM Meet

bkempins
 

This is not a phony RPM. I will be attending and presenting a talk on Friday evening. 


The organizers have been advertising this since early last year. They got the location locked down in April and that is when formal announcements went to several magazines, on-line groups and podcasts. There has been a lot of buzz about it in the DC, Richmond and Charlottesville area. Several folks from NJ and PA are also planing on coming.


The meet location is rather small, but the price was right. There was some doubt as to whether this would fill up. Given that they had to put up money to secure the hall they opted to start small and see what happens.


The organizers had to limit registration to 70, a number they recently attained. The fact that registration was going to be limited was clearly annotated on their website from the day it went on-line some time in April. It was "first come, first served." Seems fair to me.  


I have looked at their website numerous times and never had any trouble loading it. It is actually a very professional done web site. Check it out, their website URL is actually quite simple:    http://www.marpm.org  


I am excited for them that this looks like it will be a success in spite of the negative vibes less knowledgeable people are sending out. Let's hope next year it can be even more successful.


From my perspective, an exciting aspect of the meet is that the meeting location is adjacent to the area that I am modeling. One can walk out the door and head down river and after a short walk, see the river landing where my civil war era railroad starts. Aside from my own parochial interest in the meeting site, there is another cool aspect. The RF&P mainline tracks are IMMEDIATELY adjacent to the meeting hall. I just hope too many trains don't go by during my talk as they can be very distracting.


I think it will be a good time. Perhaps, I'll see you there next year.


Bernard Kempinski




--- In STMFC@..., <stmfc@...> wrote:

Would you prefer they keep registration open and when you arrive there is no place for you?  There is nothing snobbish about being honest.  This is a first attempt by a small group without any idea of the interest.  This RPM has been known since at least May.  I for one welcome their honesty.  When I went to register in June, I did not because they were upfront about the fact that the site is not handicap accessible.  If they had not been honest, I would have registered and been ticked when I arrived.  I would never attend one of their events again.  I hope they learn from this and next year acquire a larger accessible venue.

The fact that they are starting small is not a negative to them.  Who was going to risk the funds to pay for a site if the participation was small?  They need to use a venue which is either free or very inexpensive when taking a gamble on the level of participation.  Not everyone or every organization has pockets deep enough to risk hundreds of dollars to sign a contract for a large facility without any idea of the level of participation.  Rather than berating these modelers, they should be encouraged.

 It is not that many years ago an article appeared in one of the magazines -- might have even been the NMRA magazine -- touting small "in home" RPMs as a way to start local meets.  Are those who hold these meets in their homes snobbish because they cannot accommodate hundreds?

Rich Orr


-----Original Message-----
From: Don <riverman_vt@...>
To: STMFC <STMFC@...>
Sent: Fri, Sep 6, 2013 6:03 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Re:Phoney RPM Meet



   By total accident rather late Wed. evening it was found that there is a new 
"Mid-Atlantic RPM Meet" being held on 13 & 14 Sept. just over an hour away from 
where I live when here in Virginia and not home in Vermont. Thus Thur. morning I 
attempted to learn more about it. First it was found that the website for it 
takes foorreevver to open but finally did so while I was reading about it on 
other than the "official" website. Once it did open I got the surprise of my 
life to find that the snobs that run it really do not have there act together. I 
have run two fall meets for the Northeastern Region of the NMRA going back as 
early as 1974 and never had more than two other people working with me to do it. 
At each we either equalled or exceeded the number of people who attended the 
Saturday evening banquet with figures in the 250 range.

   Since that time I have put together three smaller meetings in Vermont for 
those of us with specific interests in milk cars and milk trains. These meets 
have been attended by from 25 to 40 people and seem to have been well enjoyed by 
those present. I have also attended Dave Owens Collinsville, CT RPM meet 
whenever possible and have presented clinics there. ALL of these events welcomed 
anyone who wished to attend. NOT SO the new Mid-Atlantic RPM meet!!!!  The 
organizers limited attendance to themselves and their buddies, allowing only 40 
people to attend with no admittance at the door and stating that no one would be 
allowed in who had not preregistered. What a bunch of snobs! If I had control of 
the RPM title believe me this group would NEVER be allowed to use it. I can't 
imagine any of the fine folks I have met at RPM meets in Napierville or 
Collinsville wanting to be associated with what is supposed to take place in 
Virginia on the 13th and 14th. Having met a number of gr
 eat fellow modelers from all over the US and Canada in my years in this hobby, 
many of whom hae become close friends, I cannot think of a single event such as 
an RPM or NMRA or SIG meeting that did not welcome anyone who could attend. It 
appears the clowns responsible for this phoney RPM meet feel they are too good 
to associate with regular modelers. Is any one interested in a REAL RPM meet at 
that great Mid-Atlantic crossroads in Frederick, MD in the spring? Bet I can put 
together a far better meet there in a few months time than these self important 
snobs can ever arrange.

Just one man's opinion of their snotty attitude, Don Valentine




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Re: Phoney RPM Meet

Bob DeMoss
 

I DID NOT RECEIVED "E" MAIL FROM  DON VALENTINE.  PLEASE FORWARD,

Bob DeMoss
 
 

On 09/06/13, Tony Thompson wrote:
 
 

Bob DeMoss wrote:

Tony.
I received this "E" mail, and I don't know what you are talking about, regarding the RPM.  Please enlighted me.
Bob DeMoss
L.A. Division Director. 

    Read the email from Don Valentine.

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2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
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DL&W 49000-49502 1937 AAR boxcar

Mark Stamm
 

Good evening group,

I just picked up an Atlas Trainmaster kit for this car on an impulse. Does anyone have a photo of one pre 1954 so I can see how much work I have in front of me. I can't get the search feature to work for the group since I've been added to the Matrix with Neo or would have started there first.


Thanks in advance
Mark Stamm
mark@euphoriatt.com


Re: Phoney RPM Meet

SUVCWORR@...
 

Would you prefer they keep registration open and when you arrive there is no place for you?  There is nothing snobbish about being honest.  This is a first attempt by a small group without any idea of the interest.  This RPM has been known since at least May.  I for one welcome their honesty.  When I went to register in June, I did not because they were upfront about the fact that the site is not handicap accessible.  If they had not been honest, I would have registered and been ticked when I arrived.  I would never attend one of their events again.  I hope they learn from this and next year acquire a larger accessible venue.

The fact that they are starting small is not a negative to them.  Who was going to risk the funds to pay for a site if the participation was small?  They need to use a venue which is either free or very inexpensive when taking a gamble on the level of participation.  Not everyone or every organization has pockets deep enough to risk hundreds of dollars to sign a contract for a large facility without any idea of the level of participation.  Rather than berating these modelers, they should be encouraged.

 It is not that many years ago an article appeared in one of the magazines -- might have even been the NMRA magazine -- touting small "in home" RPMs as a way to start local meets.  Are those who hold these meets in their homes snobbish because they cannot accommodate hundreds?

Rich Orr


-----Original Message-----
From: Don To: STMFC
Sent: Fri, Sep 6, 2013 6:03 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Re:Phoney RPM Meet



   By total accident rather late Wed. evening it was found that there is a new
"Mid-Atlantic RPM Meet" being held on 13 & 14 Sept. just over an hour away from
where I live when here in Virginia and not home in Vermont. Thus Thur. morning I
attempted to learn more about it. First it was found that the website for it
takes foorreevver to open but finally did so while I was reading about it on
other than the "official" website. Once it did open I got the surprise of my
life to find that the snobs that run it really do not have there act together. I
have run two fall meets for the Northeastern Region of the NMRA going back as
early as 1974 and never had more than two other people working with me to do it.
At each we either equalled or exceeded the number of people who attended the
Saturday evening banquet with figures in the 250 range.

   Since that time I have put together three smaller meetings in Vermont for
those of us with specific interests in milk cars and milk trains. These meets
have been attended by from 25 to 40 people and seem to have been well enjoyed by
those present. I have also attended Dave Owens Collinsville, CT RPM meet
whenever possible and have presented clinics there. ALL of these events welcomed
anyone who wished to attend. NOT SO the new Mid-Atlantic RPM meet!!!!  The
organizers limited attendance to themselves and their buddies, allowing only 40
people to attend with no admittance at the door and stating that no one would be
allowed in who had not preregistered. What a bunch of snobs! If I had control of
the RPM title believe me this group would NEVER be allowed to use it. I can't
imagine any of the fine folks I have met at RPM meets in Napierville or
Collinsville wanting to be associated with what is supposed to take place in
Virginia on the 13th and 14th. Having met a number of gr
 eat fellow modelers from all over the US and Canada in my years in this hobby,
many of whom hae become close friends, I cannot think of a single event such as
an RPM or NMRA or SIG meeting that did not welcome anyone who could attend. It
appears the clowns responsible for this phoney RPM meet feel they are too good
to associate with regular modelers. Is any one interested in a REAL RPM meet at
that great Mid-Atlantic crossroads in Frederick, MD in the spring? Bet I can put
together a far better meet there in a few months time than these self important
snobs can ever arrange.

Just one man's opinion of their snotty attitude, Don Valentine




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Re: An alternative body filler putty

Anspach Denny <danspachmd@...>
 

2-Ton Epoxy is a good conventional, if pricey product (because of its small packaging). Other packaged similar slow-setting epoxies should serve just as well. They all can serve as a fillers, inasmuch as they do not shrink, are sandable, and when cured are all but impervious to all solvents. A distinct disadvantage as a filler is that when cured, they are usually much harder than the substrate, i.e. styrene, resin, or wood, so that for the unwary modeler who sands away, the result is commonly smooth founded mounds of epoxy filler rising proud above surrounding fields of destroyed surface detailing and sanding-induced shallow excavations.

This latter effect can be somewhat ameliorated by "lightening" the epoxy mix by adding in vinyl microballoons- also a pricey alternative for those just doing very small work. Marine epoxy filler is made up of this or a similar mix.

Before epoxy cures, it can be thinned, and tools cleaned with lacquer thinner- not always a solvent that would be safe to use with styrene.

Treat 5-minute epoxy like the plague. It is an expedient product that has little to recommend it except for desperate emergencies. It crystalizes and fails.

My experience with epoxies is extensive and long, having used a wide variety of them in substantial roles over the years in the restoration of fine wood boats. That said, I have found little use for these otherwise extraordinary adhesives in my railroad modeling, because other products consistently serve me better. In the case of filler or a surfacing putty: Squadron Putty. It is not perfect, but day in and day out, on balance, it serves well for our purposes.

Denny


Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento


Virginai RPM Meet

Gerry Fitzgerald
 

Hello All,

Just a few points about the upcoming RPM meet here in Virginia in response to this very negative post. I am not one of the organizers but I am one of the invited clinicians. While Mr. Valentine may have just heard about this meet it was announced months ago. for instance the website has been cross listed on the NMRA James River Division Blog since April 7th. "Local" modelers, and here i refer to people from North Carolina up to New Jersey have been discussing it for months and I know I heard people talking about it as the NMRA National earlier this summer in Atlanta. Registration, which only closed last week, is an unfortunate function of venue space and has nothing to do with the ridiculous insults directed towards the organizers. The organizers, who are very good people, have worked hard for months putting things together and as this is a first time event in the area, opted for a smaller space. That space is now filled and there is no more room for people to attend the clinics so sadly registration has been suspended.

I am hopeful, like many others in the area, that  this meet is successful so that a larger meet may be planned for next year. As I understand it registration was closed in the 80-90 range, not 40, and this was never a closed meet. The venue is just too small to admit hundreds. I have no idea how this weekend will turn out but this posting does nothing to reflect the RPM spirit I have encountered at places like Napierville or the Philadelphia/Pittsburgh meet.

As a long time reader of this listserve let me state that this posting is unfair to the people who are putting this meet together, those who are giving clinics, and those who paid a very reasonable twelve dollars to register. This gentleman owes everyone involved an apology! 

Respectfully,

Gerry

Gerard J. Fitzgerald
Charlottesville, Virginia


Re: Phoney RPM Meet

Charles Hladik
 

Don,
    I don't know any of the folks going to or arranging the RPM at Stafford, but about 8 months ago I registered to go. It's about a 4 hour drive from Lynchburg ut I wanted to see what all the commotion is about at an RPM. Didn't know that Tony Sissons had been putting one on in Greensboro, N.C., about 2.5 hours away, but hasn't done so in the last year or two.
    A couple weeks ago, while looking for the meet address for MapQuest I saw a blurb that the place isn't handicapped accessible and therefore I told them to use my registration fee to help defray costs.
    This venue is small with a limit of 40 people, might not be bad for a first time event. I don't know who "they" invited but I hope they make it work and get bigger. As to snobs, it seems to me that you are the one who has his nose bent out of shape because you can't claim bragging rights.
    If this gets me in jail, so be it. And I like bologna, even Spam, so I guess I'm not upper crud either.
 
Chuck Hladik
Lynchburg, VA.
 
 
 

In a message dated 9/6/2013 9:20:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, riverman_vt@... writes:
 



By total accident rather late Wed. evening it was found that there is a new "Mid-Atlantic RPM Meet" being held on 13 & 14 Sept. just over an hour away from where I live when here in Virginia and not home in Vermont. Thus Thur. morning I attempted to learn more about it. First it was found that the website for it takes foorreevver to open but finally did so while I was reading about it on other than the "official" website. Once it did open I got the surprise of my life to find that the snobs that run it really do not have there act together. I have run two fall meets for the Northeastern Region of the NMRA going back as early as 1974 and never had more than two other people working with me to do it. At each we either equalled or exceeded the number of people who attended the Saturday evening banquet with figures in the 250 range.

Since that time I have put together three smaller meetings in Vermont for those of us with specific interests in milk cars and milk trains. These meets have been attended by from 25 to 40 people and seem to have been well enjoyed by those present. I have also attended Dave Owens Collinsville, CT RPM meet whenever possible and have presented clinics there. ALL of these events welcomed anyone who wished to attend. NOT SO the new Mid-Atlantic RPM meet!!!! The organizers limited attendance to themselves and their buddies, allowing only 40 people to attend with no admittance at the door and stating that no one would be allowed in who had not preregistered. What a bunch of snobs! If I had control of the RPM title believe me this group would NEVER be allowed to use it. I can't imagine any of the fine folks I have met at RPM meets in Napierville or Collinsville wanting to be associated with what is supposed to take place in Virginia on the 13th and 14th. Having met a number of g reat fellow modelers from all over the US and Canada in my years in this hobby, many of whom hae become close friends, I cannot think of a single event such as an RPM or NMRA or SIG meeting that did not welcome anyone who could attend. It appears the clowns responsible for this phoney RPM meet feel they are too good to associate with regular modelers. Is any one interested in a REAL RPM meet at that great Mid-Atlantic crossroads in Frederick, MD in the spring? Bet I can put together a far better meet there in a few months time than these self important snobs can ever arrange.

Just one man's opinion of their snotty attitude, Don Valentine


Re: Phoney RPM Meet

Jack Burgess
 

I looked at their website and also noted Don's comment about limiting the attendance to 40 persons. As Tom noted, obviously they are going to sell out if they hold such an event in a small facility. But I think the "scam" is that they list 6 vendors and 8 sponsors...and they thank those sponsors for donating door prizes. I would image that the 6 vendors will be very upset to show up and find only 40 people there and thus not make enough in sales to cover their cost of attending. Of course, chances among those 40 attendees of getting a door prize are pretty high!

 

Jack Burgess

 

Don put this same post on the Passenger Car List several days ago and did not receive much support for his position. I gather this is a group of established modelers trying to do something positive. They have limited resources (or, rather, chose not to overextend their resources by going "big"), and use of a small facility (a marina clubhouse) that is not ADA compliant. They chose to limit the attendance to 40 and sold out to preregistrants. They are not trying to exclude, only to work within their limitations. Don was late to the game and missed out. That doesn't make the organizers snobs.

 

Tom Madden


Re: Phoney RPM Meet

Tom Madden
 

Don put this same post on the Passenger Car List several days ago and did not receive much support for his position. I gather this is a group of established modelers trying to do something positive. They have limited resources (or, rather, chose not to overextend their resources by going "big"), and use of a small facility (a marina clubhouse) that is not ADA compliant. They chose to limit the attendance to 40 and sold out to preregistrants. They are not trying to exclude, only to work within their limitations. Don was late to the game and missed out. That doesn't make the organizers snobs.

Tom Madden


From: Tony Thompson
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, September 6, 2013 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re:Phoney RPM Meet

 
Bob DeMoss wrote:

Tony.
I received this "E" mail, and I don't know what you are talking about, regarding the RPM.  Please enlighted me.
Bob DeMoss
L.A. Division Director. 

    Read the email from Don Valentine.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
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Re: Phoney RPM Meet

Andy Carlson
 

A long time ago, in a far off area of the Nation, a much younger Bill Welch organized a one day modelers meet in Pasadena, CA. Because of the lack of space, his offered free meeting space limited how many folks were invited and let in. I was one of the fortunate few who attended a lively event.

Not defending anyone's RPM meet rules when I don't know the situation.

-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA



From: Tony Thompson
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, September 6, 2013 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re:Phoney RPM Meet

 
Bob DeMoss wrote:

Tony.
I received this "E" mail, and I don't know what you are talking about, regarding the RPM.  Please enlighted me.
Bob DeMoss
L.A. Division Director. 

    Read the email from Don Valentine.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history







Re: An alternative body filler putty

Tim O'Connor
 

There's a large Yahoo group devoted to the subject of casting!
There is information there about putties and Devcon products.

http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/casting/

Tim O'Connor


Re: LA's Totally AWESOME

Tim O'Connor
 


And if it doesn't strip your paint, well, you can clean the bathroom with it. Try that with Chameleon or lacquer thinner!

Tim O'Connor


Reginald,
 
It is the one that looks yellow... Kinda like, well you know... Tall bottle with Red writing. Sorry I should have been more specific.
 
Greg Martin


Re: LA's Totally AWESOME

Greg Martin
 

Reginald,
 
It is the one that looks yellow... Kinda like, well you know... Tall bottle with Red writing. Sorry I should have been more specific.
 
Greg Martin


-----Original Message-----
From: Reginald Bowman
To: stmfc
Sent: Fri, Sep 6, 2013 8:54 am
Subject: [STMFC] LA's Totally AWESOME

 
Help?
 
Ok, so I go to Dollar Tree to get some of this stuff and find out they have about six different kinds on the shelves.  Can anyone be a little more specific regarding exactly what the label says and what kind of container (how many oz's, etc) it is in?
 
Thanks in advance,
 
Reginald Bowman


Re: Phoney RPM Meet

Tony Thompson
 

Bob DeMoss wrote:

Tony.
I received this "E" mail, and I don't know what you are talking about, regarding the RPM.  Please enlighted me.
Bob DeMoss
L.A. Division Director. 

    Read the email from Don Valentine.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





Re: Phoney RPM Meet

Bob DeMoss
 

Tony.

I received this "E" mail, and I don't know what you are talking about, regarding the RPM.  Please enlighted me.

Bob DeMoss
L.A. Division Director.
 
 

On 09/06/13, Tony Thompson wrote:
 
 

On Sep 6, 2013, at 1:01 AM, Don wrote:
 

If I had control of the RPM title believe me this group would NEVER be allowed to use it. 


     I understand Don's frustration with the odd arrangement he describes, but in fact NO ONE "has control" of the RPM title. This is ordinarily not a problem, but situations like this one raise the ugly possibility of misuse.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
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Re: Phoney RPM Meet

Tim O'Connor
 

As my daughters would say, "meh"

Just one man's opinion of their snotty attitude, Don Valentine


Re: Phoney RPM Meet

Tony Thompson
 

On Sep 6, 2013, at 1:01 AM, Don wrote:
 

If I had control of the RPM title believe me this group would NEVER be allowed to use it. 


     I understand Don's frustration with the odd arrangement he describes, but in fact NO ONE "has control" of the RPM title. This is ordinarily not a problem, but situations like this one raise the ugly possibility of misuse.

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