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Re: CV 40000 series WAS 40'IL 8'IH 7 panel Howe Z-bar truss (aka Fowler) box cars
Marty McGuirk
The CV 40000-series boxcars were some of the earliest examples of what are sometimes called "alternate" ARA cars.
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If anyone is interested, I included a post on my blog about those cars: http://centralvermontrailway.blogspot.com/2012/10/cv-40000-series-howe-truss-boxcars.html?m=0 I welcome any comments or feedback on the post. Marty McGuirk
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http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/acfx/ic171500asw.jpghullo earl
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SE version of the 40' war emergency composite boxcar
Benjamin Scanlon
i've looked at the sunshine models pdfs for war emergency boxcars and the SE war emergency version which is 10' high, 6" lower than standard.
i can find an outline diagram of the 10'6" car ... sounds like a good place to start in building one. I am wondering where the 6" height was pruned from ... was at the top of the walls, by just using shorter trusses and a thinner plank, or is there a more fundamental difference i'm missing? regards ben
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Re: UP box car and USRA single sheathed outside braced box car decal questions
midrly <midrly@...>
Which I why I was so glad that the Georgia RR USRA steel rebuild boxcar that my wife innocently gave me the Tichy kit for was painted in freight car red two years before my model layout era! Silver painted cars are pretty obvious.
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I have a True Line model of one of CN's three aluminum-sheathed 40' boxcars, but have many regular CN 40' boxcars to blend it in with. Not so for my models of Gerogia RR cars--exactly one car. Now if you were modelling the Georgia RR in 1954, odds are that you would have many silver-sided cars and a few oxide red. In this case, the oxide red cars would be the odd ones! Steve Lucas.
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Re: Official SHIRT colors for ProtoRails 2012
Pierre <pierre.oliver@...>
Damn!
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I have to repack my luggage. :-) Pierre Oliver
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Re: UP box car and USRA single sheathed outside braced box car decal questions
robertm
I'm with Tim and Armand.
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Recent research has found both freight (Whitings and Herlihy milk cars)and passenger (CNR First Class Coach) cars that were not regulars but certainly were very representative of both the railroad (CV) and the region(Northwestern Vermont). Results came from a co-operative effort by about 1/2 dozen people looking at photos found in published books. Bob Moeller
I subscribe to the contrary philosophy, that says if your layout contains NO unusual cars, then it's not
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Re: Friends of the Freight Car Lunch at the Beach
Marty McGuirk
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Bill, Start time? Marty
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Re: Official SHIRT colors for ProtoRails 2012
james murrie
This will allow them to be differentiated from the passenger car guys who will be wearing Pullman green, Milwaukee orange or stainless steel shirts(also to be worn 50yds east of the low tide mark due to their corrosion resistance).
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Jim Murrie
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Re: UP box car and USRA single sheathed outside braced box car decal questions
Armand Premo
Unfortunately many just run their,"favorite cars" and I tend to agree with Tim.Armand Premo
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From: timboconnor@comcast.net To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 4:11 PM Subject: [STMFC] Re: UP box car and USRA single sheathed outside braced box car decal questions Tony, I subscribe to the contrary philosophy, that says if your layout contains NO unusual cars, then it's not very representative of most railroads, since one can often spot unusual cars in photos of the prototype. Of course, all things must be done in moderation. :-) Tim O'Connor ----- Original Message ----- From: "proto48er" atkott@swbell.net> If I gave the impression I did not believe the car was done, I apologize. I did not think that and did not mean to say it. My comment was that for most modelers, CHOOSING to include this car, which was one of a kind, strikes me as an extreme rarity and a poor addition to a layout freight car fleet. But obviously YMMV. Tony Thompson
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Re: UP box car and USRA single sheathed outside braced box car decal questions
Benjamin Hom
David Thompson wrote:
"I like the d20 method. If you roll a 20, pull the aluminum reefer out of its box, put it on the layout for that session, then put it back in the box at the end of the day. Next time you roll a 20, pull out the UP ARA box, or the RF&P stock car." Do I get a pickle car saving throw? :) Ben Hom
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Re: UP box car and USRA single sheathed outside braced box car decal questions
David
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But personally, I would draw the line at one-of-a-kind or extremely rare cars. That's why my fleet of over 40 PFE reefers does not include an aluminum car.I like the d20 method. If you roll a 20, pull the aluminum reefer out of its box, put it on the layout for that session, then put it back in the box at the end of the day. Next time you roll a 20, pull out the UP ARA box, or the RF&P stock car. David Thompson
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Re: UPDATE SHAKE N TAKE 2013
Greg Martin
Here's final update guys. Looks to me we are full and I will take a few
reservations for hand outs at this point. If you think your name should be on the list for handout only drop me a prompt email as I am in the air all day Wednesday and will not check my mail until after 10 PM EST. If you have a change of plans and can't attend please let me know BTW the hand out will also focus on the "long handed method" of kitbashing the car so you'll all have the opportunity to be able to do the work beyond the event. As always I recommend that you all bring a pen and a pencil and as there are always comments made during the presentation that are not easily remembered or on the handouts and can be valuable on the SHAKE N TAKE list. Kit and Handout: 1. Denny Anspach 2. Jon Greedy 3. Mont Switzer 4. Tony Thompson 5. Schuyler Larabee 6. Armand Premo 7. Craig Zeni 8. Jerry Glow 9. Mike Brock 10. Al Brown 11. Bill Darnaby 12. Roger Hinman 13. Bill Welch 14. Brian Carlson 15. Arved Grass 16. Bob Heninger 17. Richard Hendrickson 18. Scott Dam 19. Chuck Davis 20. Greg Davis 21. Matt Herson 22. George Corral Now for the list of 1st Alternates or Hand Outs only room for twenty (20): 1. Charles Hostetler 2. John Cantlay 3. Fenton Wells 4. Stuart Forsyth 5. Clark Cone 6. Carl G Camann 7. Roger Wilson 8. Larry Sexton There will be a sign up sheet at the registration that I will maintain for the walk in crowd FRIDAY AM. I am sure I am not going to have to be there all that long until it files up. Pass the word... You might also want to consider bringing a kit (undecorated like ours or decorated) and a graphite pencil to follow along and mark the/your car up as there will be three (3) cuts to make the 37-foot car work. Greg Martin Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it. Norman Maclean
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Official SHIRT colors for ProtoRails 2012
sctry
In order to enhance our Steam Era Freight Car modeling experience at the forthcoming ProtoRails 2013 – Cocoa Beach, the following thread from the recently defunct "Shirt Club Discussion Group" is passed along: "….the Fraternal Order of the SHIRTS membership selection committee chairman while relaxing with a refreshing Leinenkugels has declared that Cocoa Beach shall be a RED SHIRT Friday and BLACK SHIRT Saturday". All inductees and members in good standing of FOotS (a.k.a. Hawaiian Shirt Club, Chicago Shirt Mafia, Polish National Touring Bowling Team, Those Guys in the Crazy Shirts, Hey- Nice Shirt; where can I get one, The Shirt Club, etc.) to proudly wear their colors while participating in the ProtoRails events. Official alternate colors of TAN or BLUE are also permitted.
In keeping with past practices there will be NO banquet dinner this year. Inductees (you know who you are) shall gather on Thursday night at 2400 hrs 50 yards east of the surf line. If you have not remitted your dues by January 8th, don't worry, there aren't any! J. Greedy (Unofficial) Recording Secretary
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Re: USRA SS boxcars
Benjamin Scanlon
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i will look into ordering something like that, as it seem a primer would be in order, for me, anyway. i should say i am thankful to frank valoczy for his work in posting such a huge amount of information on the TTnut forum. in the larger scheme of things, i would not be here asking questions at all had not my interest in the topic been awakened by frank's consideration in sharing what he has. ben
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Re: 40'IL 8'IH 7 panel Howe Z-bar truss (aka Fowler) box cars
Benjamin Scanlon
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hullo earl i would respond to you off list ... but i replied to your earlier email to me, earl, and it has bounced twice now. i do not know if this is a symptom of the same problem. regards, ben
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Re: UP box car and USRA single sheathed outside braced box car decal questions
Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Tim O'Connor wrote:
I subscribe to the contrary philosophy, that says if your layout contains NO unusual cars, then it's notTim sets up a straw man here, that I am opposed to having ANY unusual cars. I didn't say that, don't believe that, and don't practice that. I strongly agree that unusual cars are essential, and I have several. They are from pretty small railroads that by Gilbert-Nelson are of tiny probability but which, as Tim says, need to be part of the texture of a fleet. But personally, I would draw the line at one-of-a-kind or extremely rare cars. That's why my fleet of over 40 PFE reefers does not include an aluminum car. Perhaps that's part of Tim's "moderation" principle. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: UP box car and USRA single sheathed outside braced box car decal questions
Richard Hendrickson
On Jan 7, 2013, at 1:11 PM, timboconnor@comcast.net wrote:
Tony,Yeah, Tim, but if you're going to have one or two odd-ball cars on a layout, they should be OBVIOUS odd balls (e.g., helium tank, dry ice reefer, drop-center flat car, etc.) Otherwise, who knows they're odd-balls? I'll bet the number of modelers, even on this list, who would recognize that the boxcar in the passing train was the one-and-only Union Pacific B-50-18 is very small (and I'll bet I could name most of them). For all but those very few viewers, where's the verisimilitude in having a stealth odd-ball that no one recognizes as such? Richard Hendrickson
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Re: UP box car and USRA single sheathed outside braced box car decal questions
Brad Andonian
Hi Fellas,
I am having the decals created as I like to have the car correct for the box--- Tony's point is fine except I don't see any other UP decals in O that are readily available---so I may as well have the correct decal made. Now, would I purchase another of these models---not likely as then to have two of a car when only one existed would create a different dilemma. Anyhow---a lively discussion. Brad Andonian From: "timboconnor@comcast.net" <timboconnor@comcast.net> To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 7, 2013 1:11 PM Subject: [STMFC] Re: UP box car and USRA single sheathed outside braced box car decal questions Tony, I subscribe to the contrary philosophy, that says if your layout contains NO unusual cars, then it's not very representative of most railroads, since one can often spot unusual cars in photos of the prototype. Of course, all things must be done in moderation. :-) Tim O'Connor ----- Original Message ----- From: "proto48er" mailto:atkott%40swbell.net> If I gave the impression I did not believe the car was done, I apologize. I did not think that and did not mean to say it. My comment was that for most modelers, CHOOSING to include this car, which was one of a kind, strikes me as an extreme rarity and a poor addition to a layout freight car fleet. But obviously YMMV. Tony Thompson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: UP box car and USRA single sheathed outside braced box car decal questions
Tony,
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I subscribe to the contrary philosophy, that says if your layout contains NO unusual cars, then it's not very representative of most railroads, since one can often spot unusual cars in photos of the prototype. Of course, all things must be done in moderation. :-) Tim O'Connor
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From: "proto48er" <atkott@swbell.net> If I gave the impression I did not believe the car was done, I apologize. I did not think that and did not mean to say it. My comment was that for most modelers, CHOOSING to include this car, which was one of a kind, strikes me as an extreme rarity and a poor addition to a layout freight car fleet. But obviously YMMV. Tony Thompson
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Re: UP box car and USRA single sheathed outside braced box car decal questions
proto48er
Ben -
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Thanks for providing the identities of the (5) demonstrator cars. I thought the UP car might have been one of them, but I did not purchase any of the PL models unless they had prototype numbers of (50) or more cars (rule to prevent falling off the fiscal model train cliff.) All my train stuff is at home, and I posted from memory. Thanks for all the great posts on this list! A.T. Kott
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Re: UP box car and USRA single sheathed outside braced box car decal questions
proto48er
Tony -
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I fully agree with you! Only a card-carrying UP fan would want to purchase one! Pat must have had one such modeler assisting him on the project; hence the UP car. Thanks for your great responses! A.T. Kott
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