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Re: Prototype Rails 2013

rdgbuff56
 

Anyone take pictures for their photosites, such as PBase?

Francis A. Pehowic, Jr.
Sunbury, Pa.


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From: Brad Andonian <cereshill@yahoo.com>
To: "STMFC@yahoogroups.com" <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Prototype Rails 2013


 
Mike et al,
 
Glad you had such a great event---any chance of having it out west in say... Seattle?     May I suggest Aug-Oct when the weather is PERFECT!    
 
just a thought...
 
Brad Andonian

From: Mike Brock brockm@cfl.rr.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 1:20 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Prototype Rails 2013

 
Now that the thirteenth consecutive Prototype Rails [ The Bash on the
Beach ] is history and since I have recovered about 50% of what faculties I
still have remaining, I would like to thank the many members of the STMFC
that attended and particularly those that made presentations. Such meets as
Prototype Rails are very dependent on presenters, attendees, and I should
add, the many manufacturers and vendors that attend.

I should also mention that Armand Premo, long time member of the STMFC and a
member of the meet's registration function, suffered a fall on the Friday
morning before the meet, was hospitalized and underwent surgery afterwards.
I have talked with him several times since, he is now in a rehab center and
seems to be doing quite well.

I would like to note that the average high temperature during the meet was
80°. In recent years I have been blamed for temps somewhat lower than 80. I
am, therefore, taking full credit for the extremely nice weather. I will
apologize, however, for the appearance of two small clouds that showed on
the eastern horizon [ calling Bill Schneider ] briefly during lunch on the
deck Friday.

Mike Brock
Prototype Rails Boss

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Re: 1937 Modified and Unmodified AAR Box Car

arved_grass
 

Well, the floor on the Bowser X31F isn't exactly perfect, either. :-)

http://arvedgrass.com/x31f-part-1-early-progress/

(I brought the car to Cocoa Beach to show the work I'd done)

And don't get me started on the S-scale coupler pockets most HO products come with... That makes all but a few of the underframes out there wrong. Accurail scale coupler pockets (and Sergent narrow shank couplers) to the rescue!

Arved Grass
Fleming Island, Florida

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, timboconnor@... wrote:


The only defect on the Red Caboose (IMWX) kits is the incorrect floor stringers -- which others
have copied, thank you very much! (It happens when vendors copy instead of doing their own
research.)

Does the Atlas (Branchline) 1937 AAR kit have the same error in the floor stringers?

Tim O'Connor

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arved"

Thanks Clark. I usually assume Atlas Trainman products to be on the crude side - built to a low price point. I was surprised to find an undec kit, and even more surprised to see seperate roof and ends, etc. About the only concession to the price point seems (so far) to be cast on ladders and grabs. Dare say, this is a finer kit than the Bowser X31F I paid twice as much for!

Is it up to the standards of a Red Caboose kit? I don't think so. We'll have to see - if I can get any of the RC 1937 cars. This 1937 AAR boxcar has the rounded corners. I assume Intermountain does, too, based on what I've seen on the web site. So unless Intermountain runs the square corner cars from Red Caboose, that's going to leave a hole in what's available.

Warmest regards,
Arved Grass
Fleming Island, Florida



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Re: Prototype Rails 2013

Bill Welch
 

Brad:

I cannot imagine anyone objecting to people in the Seattle area organizing such an event.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Brad Andonian wrote:

Mike et al,
 
Glad you had such a great event---any chance of having it out west in say... Seattle?     May I suggest Aug-Oct when the weather is PERFECT!    
 
just a thought...
 
Brad Andonian

From: Mike Brock
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 1:20 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Prototype Rails 2013

 
Now that the thirteenth consecutive Prototype Rails [ The Bash on the
Beach ] is history and since I have recovered about 50% of what faculties I
still have remaining, I would like to thank the many members of the STMFC
that attended and particularly those that made presentations. Such meets as
Prototype Rails are very dependent on presenters, attendees, and I should
add, the many manufacturers and vendors that attend.

I should also mention that Armand Premo, long time member of the STMFC and a
member of the meet's registration function, suffered a fall on the Friday
morning before the meet, was hospitalized and underwent surgery afterwards.
I have talked with him several times since, he is now in a rehab center and
seems to be doing quite well.

I would like to note that the average high temperature during the meet was
80°. In recent years I have been blamed for temps somewhat lower than 80. I
am, therefore, taking full credit for the extremely nice weather. I will
apologize, however, for the appearance of two small clouds that showed on
the eastern horizon [ calling Bill Schneider ] briefly during lunch on the
deck Friday.

Mike Brock
Prototype Rails Boss




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Re: Tank cars and mileages

Tim Meyer
 

The complete book can be downloaded from Google Books in PDF format.

Thank you for posting it. There are a lot of details in it.

Tim Meyer

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Rupert & Maureen" wrote:

If you need to know the mileage between depots within a railroad's boundaries for operational purposes, there are tables for many railroads in the 1919 book "All About Tank Cars" (Standard Car Construction Co.) at
http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?u=1&;num=1&seq=314&view=image&size=100&id=nnc1.cu55808360


After the tables, there is a history of the company, description of its works, MCB / FSA / ICC specifications and requirements for different types of tanks, trucks, etc. (page 313) classifications including minimum sizes for items such as rivet heads (page 337) stencilling diagrams including SCEX 1919 (page 385). The index of MCB Rules is on page 400. There are also two prints of SCCX 1919 following page 306.

I don't know how long the MCB specifications remained valid.

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ





Re: MILW 592025 - 593024 Auto Box

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jan 16, 2013, at 8:04 AM, krowth3249 <kenwroth@comcast.net> wrote:

I'm looking for any info on MILW 592025 - 593024 Auto Box cars (classed XM in 1950), and apparently still 1 1/2 doors from ORER data) with end door appearing in 1950 ORER. I have an old Funaro and Camerlengo door and a half MILW kit without end doors which I suspect might be similar, although I know that most or all of the cars represented by that kit were converted to single door cars in the late 30's. If I could find a picture of the end door, and the cars were otherwise similar, I would like to scratchbuild an end with door to make a car that is right for 1950.

As to the F&C kit, it has a Murphy roof whereas similar MILW prototypes seem to all have Hutchins roofs. If the kit roof wrong, or is there another series that matches? What roof did 592025 - 593024 have?

Ken, I have two in-service photos of these cars which aren't in the Culotta book others have cited, and I'll send you scans off-list. Roofs were definitely Hutchins and auxiliary doors were still in place and working in both photos. Unfortunately, neither photo shows the end door (one is a broadside, the other a 3/4 B end shot). However the end door was dimensionally the same as the end doors MILW used on their steel end single sheathed cars (and probably identical), and I have a clear photo of one of those which I could also scan for you.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Prototype Rails 2013

Brad Andonian
 

Mike et al,
 
Glad you had such a great event---any chance of having it out west in say... Seattle?     May I suggest Aug-Oct when the weather is PERFECT!    
 
just a thought...
 
Brad Andonian

From: Mike Brock <brockm@cfl.rr.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 1:20 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Prototype Rails 2013

 
Now that the thirteenth consecutive Prototype Rails [ The Bash on the
Beach ] is history and since I have recovered about 50% of what faculties I
still have remaining, I would like to thank the many members of the STMFC
that attended and particularly those that made presentations. Such meets as
Prototype Rails are very dependent on presenters, attendees, and I should
add, the many manufacturers and vendors that attend.

I should also mention that Armand Premo, long time member of the STMFC and a
member of the meet's registration function, suffered a fall on the Friday
morning before the meet, was hospitalized and underwent surgery afterwards.
I have talked with him several times since, he is now in a rehab center and
seems to be doing quite well.

I would like to note that the average high temperature during the meet was
80°. In recent years I have been blamed for temps somewhat lower than 80. I
am, therefore, taking full credit for the extremely nice weather. I will
apologize, however, for the appearance of two small clouds that showed on
the eastern horizon [ calling Bill Schneider ] briefly during lunch on the
deck Friday.

Mike Brock
Prototype Rails Boss




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Re: Prototype Rails 2013

O Fenton Wells
 

Mike, It is we that should thank you. Great meeting and I would hate to
guess the effort put into making this the success that it was. To you and
the crew that made this happen THANK YOU! And you are right the
tempertaures were spot on as well.
Fenton Wells

On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Mike Brock <brockm@cfl.rr.com> wrote:

**


Now that the thirteenth consecutive Prototype Rails [ The Bash on the
Beach ] is history and since I have recovered about 50% of what faculties
I
still have remaining, I would like to thank the many members of the STMFC
that attended and particularly those that made presentations. Such meets
as
Prototype Rails are very dependent on presenters, attendees, and I should
add, the many manufacturers and vendors that attend.

I should also mention that Armand Premo, long time member of the STMFC and
a
member of the meet's registration function, suffered a fall on the Friday
morning before the meet, was hospitalized and underwent surgery
afterwards.
I have talked with him several times since, he is now in a rehab center
and
seems to be doing quite well.

I would like to note that the average high temperature during the meet was
80. In recent years I have been blamed for temps somewhat lower than 80.
I
am, therefore, taking full credit for the extremely nice weather. I will
apologize, however, for the appearance of two small clouds that showed on
the eastern horizon [ calling Bill Schneider ] briefly during lunch on the
deck Friday.

Mike Brock
Prototype Rails Boss




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Fenton Wells
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Sanford NC 27332
919-499-5545
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Re: Prototype Rails 2013

Dave Owens
 

Is it too soon to ask about next year's dates?
I need to get to Cocoa!

Dave Owens
One of the NE Proto Meet guys



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2013 New England/Northeast Prototype Modelers Meet
May 31-June 1, 2013 (Always the weekend after Memorial Day)
Collinsville, Connecticut
www.neprototypemeet.com
www.facebook.com/NERPM


Re: MILW 592025 - 593024 Auto Box

Charles Hostetler <cesicjh@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "krowth3249" wrote:
As to the F&C kit, it has a Murphy roof whereas similar MILW prototypes seem to all have Hutchins roofs. If the kit roof wrong, or is there another series that matches? What roof did 592025 - 593024 have?

Hi Ken,

Ted Culotta's "Steam Era Freight Cars Reference Manual Vol. 1" has photos of MILW 592105 and 592673. The figure caption for the former states that MILW 592025 - 523024 "used the Hutchins Dry Lading roof". The one end visible in the photos is a composite end with no door. Neither photo is dated.

Regards,

Charles Hostetler


Re: MILW 592025 - 593024 Auto Box

al_brown03
 

Ted Culotta (FCRM 1, p 100) shows an ACF builder's photo of CMStP&P 593139, and states that it had "Dreadnaught ends, including a Dreadnaught end door". The picture is side-on: doesn't show the ends. The doors are prewar-style Youngstowns, and look to be equal width. Ted doesn't mention the roof, and I'm not a good enough roof spotter to tell for sure from this view.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "krowth3249" wrote:

I'm looking for any info on MILW 592025 - 593024 Auto Box cars (classed XM in 1950), and apparently still 1 1/2 doors from ORER data) with end door appearing in 1950 ORER. I have an old Funaro and Camerlengo door and a half MILW kit without end doors which I suspect might be similar, although I know that most or all of the cars represented by that kit were converted to single door cars in the late 30's. If I could find a picture of the end door, and the cars were otherwise similar, I would like to scratchbuild an end with door to make a car that is right for 1950.

As to the F&C kit, it has a Murphy roof whereas similar MILW prototypes seem to all have Hutchins roofs. If the kit roof wrong, or is there another series that matches? What roof did 592025 - 593024 have?

Any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks,
Ken Roth


Re: MILW 592025 - 593024 Auto Box

Bill Welch
 

I cannot answer your question about the ends directly but I have several photos of these cars, one as the late as 1950, with the half door in place. These cars did indeed have Hutchins roofs

I will offer a caution with this kit as the sides are off length wise. I built this a long time ago and to the best of my memory the problem was with the end panels on each side. A neat car and keep hoping Steve will follow through with his promise made many moons ago to redo the master patterns. It deserves to be done correctly.

There is a photo of an example in the Kline/Culotta book published by the NMRA entitled Post War Freight Car Fleet.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "krowth3249" wrote:

I'm looking for any info on MILW 592025 - 593024 Auto Box cars (classed XM in 1950), and apparently still 1 1/2 doors from ORER data) with end door appearing in 1950 ORER. I have an old Funaro and Camerlengo door and a half MILW kit without end doors which I suspect might be similar, although I know that most or all of the cars represented by that kit were converted to single door cars in the late 30's. If I could find a picture of the end door, and the cars were otherwise similar, I would like to scratchbuild an end with door to make a car that is right for 1950.

As to the F&C kit, it has a Murphy roof whereas similar MILW prototypes seem to all have Hutchins roofs. If the kit roof wrong, or is there another series that matches? What roof did 592025 - 593024 have?

Any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks,
Ken Roth


Self connecting & unconnecting air hoses

Bill Welch
 

Denis Blake is circulating this link via facebook showing self connecting & unconnecting air hoses:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNKrAowI7Cg

Bill Welch


Prototype Rails 2013

Mikebrock
 

Now that the thirteenth consecutive Prototype Rails [ The Bash on the Beach ] is history and since I have recovered about 50% of what faculties I still have remaining, I would like to thank the many members of the STMFC that attended and particularly those that made presentations. Such meets as Prototype Rails are very dependent on presenters, attendees, and I should add, the many manufacturers and vendors that attend.

I should also mention that Armand Premo, long time member of the STMFC and a member of the meet's registration function, suffered a fall on the Friday morning before the meet, was hospitalized and underwent surgery afterwards. I have talked with him several times since, he is now in a rehab center and seems to be doing quite well.

I would like to note that the average high temperature during the meet was 80�. In recent years I have been blamed for temps somewhat lower than 80. I am, therefore, taking full credit for the extremely nice weather. I will apologize, however, for the appearance of two small clouds that showed on the eastern horizon [ calling Bill Schneider ] briefly during lunch on the deck Friday.

Mike Brock
Prototype Rails Boss


Railroad Prototype Modeler meet near Pittsburgh, PA

Eric Hansmann
 

It is time to make your RPM-East plans and rekindle your modeling efforts after a long, cold winter! There will be plenty of action March 22 & 23 at this prototype modeler gathering in suburban Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

- two days of prototype and model presentations
- a large display room to share your modeling efforts and learn new techniques
- a variety of vendors selling prototype modeling goods
- Thursday evening operating sessions on local model railroads
- an informal Saturday buffet
- Sunday model railroad layouts to visit

Registration is only $35, with an additional banquet cost of $28.
There is a special hotel room rate of $89 per night.

Registration forms, hotel information and more can be found at the RPM-East website:
http://www.hansmanns.org/rpm_east/index.htm

At this time, 27 speakers are on tap to present a wide variety of rail-related subjects at RPM-East.

Learning and sharing since 2001; register now for RPM-East!


Eric Hansmann
RPM-East Publicity and Web Guy


MILW 592025 - 593024 Auto Box

Ken Roth
 

I'm looking for any info on MILW 592025 - 593024 Auto Box cars (classed XM in 1950), and apparently still 1 1/2 doors from ORER data) with end door appearing in 1950 ORER. I have an old Funaro and Camerlengo door and a half MILW kit without end doors which I suspect might be similar, although I know that most or all of the cars represented by that kit were converted to single door cars in the late 30's. If I could find a picture of the end door, and the cars were otherwise similar, I would like to scratchbuild an end with door to make a car that is right for 1950.

As to the F&C kit, it has a Murphy roof whereas similar MILW prototypes seem to all have Hutchins roofs. If the kit roof wrong, or is there another series that matches? What roof did 592025 - 593024 have?

Any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks,
Ken Roth


Re: 1937 AAR Box Car, CN Series 480715-481764

Bill Daniels <billinsf@...>
 

Burst your bubble? Nah! I've got 5 or 6 of them myself, but I've use the Detail Associates ends on mine (either 5/5 or 5/4). As I recall, (I don't have one available right now) they are all W section ends, and they are designed to work with the Athearn 40' S/D boxcar body.


 
Bill Daniels
San Francisco, CA



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From: potomacyard <dlsweeney@comcast.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 2:00 PM
Subject: [STMFC] 1937 AAR Box Car, CN Series 480715-481764


 
Tim and list,
The True Line Trains 1937's look very nice, but I'm hoping that the CCF-built cars (480715-481764) were closer to what we are familiar with as far as commercially-available U.S. prototypes. I am brazenly proceeding to section about a scale 4 inches off the height of one of my 17 Athearn yellow-box modified 1937's, replace the ends with I-M round corner 1937's, and replace the doors with I-M 1937's. The Athearn raised-panel Murphy roof will be retained. Somebody please burst my bubble before I get too far (right now it just looks like a styrene flat kit).
Thanks!
Dan Sweeney, Jr.
Alexandria, VA

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, timboconnor@... wrote:


Don't forget that True Trains of Canada also has a 1937 AAR design box car model.
They make the roof and end variations found on Canadian-built cars.

http://www.truelinetrains.ca/freight-cars/1937-40-box-car

Tim O'Connor



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Tank cars and mileages

Rupert & Maureen <gamlenz@...>
 

If you need to know the mileage between depots within a railroad's boundaries for operational purposes, there are tables for many railroads in the 1919 book "All About Tank Cars" (Standard Car Construction Co.) at
http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?u=1&;num=1&seq=314&view=image&size=100&id=nnc1.cu55808360


After the tables, there is a history of the company, description of its works, MCB / FSA / ICC specifications and requirements for different types of tanks, trucks, etc. (page 313) classifications including minimum sizes for items such as rivet heads (page 337) stencilling diagrams including SCEX 1919 (page 385). The index of MCB Rules is on page 400. There are also two prints of SCCX 1919 following page 306.

I don't know how long the MCB specifications remained valid.

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ


Re: 1937 Modified and Unmodified AAR Box Car

pennsylvania1954
 

I have had a couple of thoughts occur while reading through this thread.

--The Steam Era Freight Cars website

http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/

is an outstanding resource. If you aren't familiar with it, go poke around on it for awhile to see what is available.

--Andy Carlson frequently announces Atlas/Branchline/IM/RC cars and parts which he has available on this list. He also lists over on HO Interchange

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HOInterchange/ .

Viking roofs were on his latest list. Since Andy is "one of us", it is a whole lot easier to get parts from him than the unlucky clerk at Atlas or IM who happens to answer your call.

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL


Re: HO scale model guide for 1920s era freight cars

Eric Hansmann
 

Thank you for the Accurail details, Dennis. I've incorporated several of your points into the listings on the 1920 Freight Car Model Guide.

http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/a-guide-to-1920s-era-ho-scale-plastic-freight-cars/


Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "soolinehistory" wrote:
A little expansion on the Accurail listings... the 2400 series are supposed to be USRA "as built" lettering schemes. Most of our cars have the post 1926 dimensional data arrangement, because it remained pretty consistent through the popular WWII and steam to diesel transition modeling eras. But we do recognize that some people model the early twenties, so offer lettering correct for that era from time to time. The 2500 series cars pack with ARA Cast ("Bettendorf") trucks, while the 2400 series kits come with Andrews. Unfortunately, we are not able to offer K brakes, but substituting an after market reservoir and triple valve while using our brake cylinder does the job.

We have also done some pre 1926 lettering schemes on our 4600 USRA boxcar kits, but since all those kits pack with Andrews trucks, we haven't differentiated them by SKU number series. Since we have images of all our lettering at:

http://accurail.com/accurail/

This shouldn't be a problem. We've recently produced a run of Data Only boxcars with the original data arrangement:

http://accurail.com/accurail/art/4600/4697.jpg

Dennis Storzek
Accurail, Inc.


Re: HO scale model guide for 1920s era freight cars

Eric Hansmann
 

Thank you for the details, Steve. I've added a notation to the 1920 Freight Car Guide.

http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/a-guide-to-1920s-era-ho-scale-plastic-freight-cars/

Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Sandifer" wrote:

The Intermountain Santa Fe SK-Q-U stock cars are from the late 20s.
Q - 1928
R - 1928
S - 1929
T - 1930
U - 1930

For precision, only the K brake SK-R is accurate for your time period. The Q and S have incorrect sides and the Q incorrect doors. I have not seen a K brake version of the S,T or U since they came with Ajax geared brakes and Intermountain only models those with AB brakes. But with their kits, anything is possible.

Intermountain seems able to paint anything any scheme without concern for correctness. Note their SK-R http://www.intermountain-railway.com/ho/html/47906.htm on the website. K brakes, A.T.&S.F logo - all pre 1938. Then they add the scotchlight reflector from 1958. I can't tell what the reweigh dates are.
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