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Re: helium car decals?

Steven D Johnson
 

Rich,



Do you have any idea about a source for those trucks?



Steve Johnson





From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Rich C
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 6:10 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: helium car decals?





Thanks Steve, I just read that excellent article on his blog. I need to try and find a couple of sets of those heavy duty MDC trucks as I have a couple of those AHM cars myself.

Rich Christie


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To: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2012 9:15 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: helium car decals?




Rich,

Tony shows how he modified the MDC/Roundhouse roller bearing trucks to friction bearing in part one of his blog on modeling a helium car using the AHM model:

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2012/04/helium-cars-part-1.html

Anybody know where I can obtain some of those trucks?

Thanks,

Steve Johnson

From: mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rich C
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 8:00 PM
To: mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: helium car decals?

Tony & CJ, I received a handout on the Helium cars at Naperville a few years ago. Before they upgraded the trucks to roller bearing they used a heavy duty type with clasp brakes (obviously due to the weight of the car). I have not seen any truck like this in HO, but am sure someone has modified an existing design. If one is modeling modern day or when they were converted, the MDC/Roundhouse heavy duty roller bearing trucks would be a good starting point. I don't have the handout handy, so these details are only from what I remember.

Rich Christie

________________________________
From: cj riley <mailto:cjriley42%40yahoo.com <mailto:cjriley42%40yahoo.com%20%3cmailto:cjriley42%40yahoo.com> <mailto:cjriley42%40yahoo.com> >
To: mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2012 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: helium car decals?

When I builtit, I had difficulty finding prototypoeinfo andbuilt according to the plans. I did use some photos for the decals. I have no idea what trucks I used. I was less carfull about that then. This goes back probably 15 years.

CJ Riley

Bainbridge Island WA

--- On Tue, 8/7/12, Anthony Thompson <mailto:thompson%40signaturepress.com> wrote:

From: Anthony Thompson <mailto:thompson%40signaturepress.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: helium car decals?
To: mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, August 7, 2012, 2:36 PM

cj riley wrote:

I bought te Ambroid kit a number of years ago at a train show and used the instructions to scratch the model from styrene. Much easier than trying to make wood look like steel. I printed my own decals at home using a font that was close to some photos I had. Not perfect, but I like it much better than the AHM.
Did you lengthen it to 45 feet? What did you do for trucks?

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA

2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 http://www.signaturepress.com/

(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, mailto:thompson%40signaturepress.com

Publishers of books on railroad history

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Re: CAD to Artwork

John Hagen <sprinthag@...>
 

After much screwing around with "easier" methods I generally find it's
easier and faster to draw all new letters in Illustrator using the originals
as a pattern. It seems whenever I use any sort of converted raster images
there are so many anchor points that I have to individually remove most of
them and then adjust all the rest. I find it's quicker to set up guides for
print letters and then outline the letter by setting points at each corner.
After a few years of practice I've gotten rather proficient at it. And if I
get enough letters of the alphabet I convert it into a font so I can just
type it out for any other similar projects.



For script I draw a line of whatever is a suitable thickness. I then add
points along the way which I use to twist the line into shape. I then
convert the line to an outline and go from there. Really works great.



Al I need is a halfway decent prototype photo. Perspective is unimportant as
that can be compensated for provided it isn't too oblique.



John Hagen



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david zuhn
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 7:14 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: CAD to Artwork






Ditto. Also, Adobe had a product called Streamline that would do raster to
vector conversions of scanned drawings, it might now be included in the
latest releases of AI. Adobe Illustrator's native drawing format is a
vector format making use of NURBS curves, which takes some getting used
to,
but works really well for the flowing curves in lettering.
This is indeed included in current Illustrator. But it takes a lot of work
to get a good vector drawing from scanned lettering, especially at the size
of the typical model RR decal. It's certainly a good start, but don't
expect 'click, done' to get from a bitmap to a suitable vector drawing.

--
david d zuhn Saint Paul Bridge & Terminal Ry.
zoo @ stpaulterminal.org


Re: CAD to Artwork

david zuhn
 


Ditto. Also, Adobe had a product called Streamline that would do raster to
vector conversions of scanned drawings, it might now be included in the
latest releases of AI. Adobe Illustrator's native drawing format is a
vector format making use of NURBS curves, which takes some getting used to,
but works really well for the flowing curves in lettering.
This is indeed included in current Illustrator. But it takes a lot of work
to get a good vector drawing from scanned lettering, especially at the size
of the typical model RR decal. It's certainly a good start, but don't
expect 'click, done' to get from a bitmap to a suitable vector drawing.

--
david d zuhn Saint Paul Bridge & Terminal Ry.
zoo @ stpaulterminal.org


Re: helium car decals?

Rich C
 

Thanks Steve, I just read that excellent article on his blog. I need to try and find a couple of sets of those heavy duty MDC trucks as I have a couple of those AHM cars myself.
 
Rich Christie


________________________________
From: Steven D Johnson <tenncentralrwy@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2012 9:15 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: helium car decals?



 

Rich,

Tony shows how he modified the MDC/Roundhouse roller bearing trucks to friction bearing in part one of his blog on modeling a helium car using the AHM model:

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2012/04/helium-cars-part-1.html

Anybody know where I can obtain some of those trucks?

Thanks,

Steve Johnson

From: mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rich C
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 8:00 PM
To: mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: helium car decals?

Tony & CJ, I received a handout on the Helium cars at Naperville a few years ago. Before they upgraded the trucks to roller bearing they used a heavy duty type with clasp brakes (obviously due to the weight of the car). I have not seen any truck like this in HO, but am sure someone has modified an existing design. If one is modeling modern day or when they were converted, the MDC/Roundhouse heavy duty roller bearing trucks would be a good starting point. I don't have the handout handy, so these details are only from what I remember.

Rich Christie

________________________________
From: cj riley <mailto:cjriley42%40yahoo.com <mailto:cjriley42%40yahoo.com> >
To: mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2012 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: helium car decals?

When I builtit, I had difficulty finding prototypoeinfo andbuilt according to the plans. I did use some photos for the decals. I have no idea what trucks I used. I was less carfull about that then. This goes back probably 15 years.

CJ Riley

Bainbridge Island WA

--- On Tue, 8/7/12, Anthony Thompson <mailto:thompson%40signaturepress.com> wrote:

From: Anthony Thompson <mailto:thompson%40signaturepress.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: helium car decals?
To: mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, August 7, 2012, 2:36 PM

cj riley wrote:

I bought te Ambroid kit a number of years ago at a train show and used the instructions to scratch the model from styrene. Much easier than trying to make wood look like steel. I printed my own decals at home using a font that was close to some photos I had. Not perfect, but I like it much better than the AHM.
Did you lengthen it to 45 feet? What did you do for trucks?

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA

2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 http://www.signaturepress.com/

(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, mailto:thompson%40signaturepress.com

Publishers of books on railroad history



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Re: CAD to Artwork

jerryglow2
 

CorelDraw will open DXF and DWG files among others.

Jerry Glow
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/decals/

--- In STMFC@..., "Bill Lane" <bill@...> wrote:

All,



Is there a CAD file format that can be read by Corel Draw? I have the real
PRR drawing showing the shapes of the letters I need to make decal artwork.
I can easily draw them in 2D in Solidworks. But it needs to be able to be
opened in Corel draw or vector - if you will...



Solidworks can be saved as in a ton of formats. I am just trying to get a
leg up on getting some artwork started.



Thank You,
Bill Lane

Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1988

See my finished models at:
<http://www.lanestrains.com/> http://www.lanestrains.com
Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!



See my layout progess at:

<http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm>
http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm

Custom Train Parts Design
<http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm>
http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm

PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded
(Trading is MUCH preferred)
<http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls>
http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls

***Join the PRR T&HS***
The other members are not ALL like me!
<http://www.prrths.com/> http://www.prrths.com
<http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf>
http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf

Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society
It's FREE to join! <http://www.prslhs.com/> http://www.prslhs.com
Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL





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Re: Rapido meat reefers

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Jason Shron wrote:
We're in the process of setting up a second production facility in China so we can try and avoid this situation happening again. All of our production is on hold while The Canadians and FP9As are being made: CP cabooses, LIRR Osgood Bradleys, N scale Dayniters, Meat Reefers, and even the detail parts. If all of The Canadians and FP9As are released as planned by early next year, we will be able to get all the other stuff out by the summer.

I can tell you (even though I really shouldn't) that we are currently tooling a new "steam-era freight car" with a new facility and if the startup goes smoothly the new car might in fact land before the Meat Reefers. But we aren't announcing anything until we are sure it is happening. We don't want to get into a situation like we are in now, where we have so many things announced but only one product actually shipping. It upsets too many customers.
Thanks for the update and the candor, Jason. I'm still looking forward to those reefers, but now have something else to speculate about . . . <g>

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Rapido meat reefers

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

On 8/8/2012 8:31 AM, j_shron wrote:
I can tell you (even though I really shouldn't) that we are currently tooling a new "steam-era freight car" with a new facility and if the startup goes smoothly the new car might in fact land before the Meat Reefers. But we aren't announcing anything until we are sure it is happening
Can we assume this is a test for the new facility to make sure it's
working ok (very big grin)!

--
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax--Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Rapido meat reefers

Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
 

Jason,
 
thanks for keeping us in the loop.
Looking forward to the meat reefers,
and the new tooling item.
 
Fred Freitas
Bennington, VT


________________________________
From: j_shron <jshron@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2012 11:31 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Rapido meat reefers


 
Bill is off in the wilds of New England with no internet and probably no cell phone. He told me that I could only contact him on pain of death so I don't know if his phone is working...

Paul got it right. For once, a freight is in the hole waiting for The Canadian to pass. I was just on The Canadian last month and we arriving seven hours late due to the opposite situation. We couldn't go to Grand Rapids because I had a wedding in Winnipeg and Bill couldn't change the dates of his camping trip. Also the trip to China last month ate up the travel budget for the summer...

We're in the process of setting up a second production facility in China so we can try and avoid this situation happening again. All of our production is on hold while The Canadians and FP9As are being made: CP cabooses, LIRR Osgood Bradleys, N scale Dayniters, Meat Reefers, and even the detail parts. If all of The Canadians and FP9As are released as planned by early next year, we will be able to get all the other stuff out by the summer.

I can tell you (even though I really shouldn't) that we are currently tooling a new "steam-era freight car" with a new facility and if the startup goes smoothly the new car might in fact land before the Meat Reefers. But we aren't announcing anything until we are sure it is happening. We don't want to get into a situation like we are in now, where we have so many things announced but only one product actually shipping. It upsets too many customers.

Bill is going to kill me for letting you guys know about this new project... so don't tell him.

;-)

-Jason

--- In mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com, "Douglas Harding" <doug.harding@...> wrote:

I was hoping to ask Bill this very question at the NMRA convention in Grand
Rapids. But Rapido was not present, neither was Bill. But others reported
their Canadian offerings are beautiful, indicating the sales of those items
continue to keep the reefer from production. Bill?



Doug Harding

http://www.iowacentralrr.org/





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Re: Rapido meat reefers

Jason Shron
 

Bill is off in the wilds of New England with no internet and probably no cell phone. He told me that I could only contact him on pain of death so I don't know if his phone is working...

Paul got it right. For once, a freight is in the hole waiting for The Canadian to pass. I was just on The Canadian last month and we arriving seven hours late due to the opposite situation. We couldn't go to Grand Rapids because I had a wedding in Winnipeg and Bill couldn't change the dates of his camping trip. Also the trip to China last month ate up the travel budget for the summer...

We're in the process of setting up a second production facility in China so we can try and avoid this situation happening again. All of our production is on hold while The Canadians and FP9As are being made: CP cabooses, LIRR Osgood Bradleys, N scale Dayniters, Meat Reefers, and even the detail parts. If all of The Canadians and FP9As are released as planned by early next year, we will be able to get all the other stuff out by the summer.

I can tell you (even though I really shouldn't) that we are currently tooling a new "steam-era freight car" with a new facility and if the startup goes smoothly the new car might in fact land before the Meat Reefers. But we aren't announcing anything until we are sure it is happening. We don't want to get into a situation like we are in now, where we have so many things announced but only one product actually shipping. It upsets too many customers.

Bill is going to kill me for letting you guys know about this new project... so don't tell him.

;-)

-Jason

--- In STMFC@..., "Douglas Harding" <doug.harding@...> wrote:

I was hoping to ask Bill this very question at the NMRA convention in Grand
Rapids. But Rapido was not present, neither was Bill. But others reported
their Canadian offerings are beautiful, indicating the sales of those items
continue to keep the reefer from production. Bill?



Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org







Re: CAD to Artwork

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Jack Burgess" <jack@...> wrote:

I don't use Corel Draw but do use Adobe Illustrator. Illustrator can open
.dxf files (which can be exported from CAD). You might try that with Corel
Draw.

Jack Burgess
Ditto. Also, Adobe had a product called Streamline that would do raster to vector conversions of scanned drawings, it might now be included in the latest releases of AI. Adobe Illustrator's native drawing format is a vector format making use of NURBS curves, which takes some getting used to, but works really well for the flowing curves in lettering.

Dennis


Re: CAD to Artwork

Jack Burgess
 

I don't use Corel Draw but do use Adobe Illustrator. Illustrator can open
.dxf files (which can be exported from CAD). You might try that with Corel
Draw.

Jack Burgess

<All,
<
<
<
<Is there a CAD file format that can be read by Corel Draw? I have the
<real PRR drawing showing the shapes of the letters I need to make decal
<artwork.
<I can easily draw them in 2D in Solidworks. But it needs to be able to
<be opened in Corel draw or vector - if you will...
<
<
<
<Solidworks can be saved as in a ton of formats. I am just trying to get
<a leg up on getting some artwork started.
<
<
<
<Thank You,
<Bill Lane


Re: Rapido meat reefers

Paul <kruegerp@...>
 

Looks like it's in the hole, waiting for the Canadian to pass. Damn passenger trains!

http://www.rapidotrains.com/rapidonewscurrent.html

"Production of The Canadian has taken a lot longer than we anticipated. It is an absolutely enormous project. The factory has hired more workers and is expanding so that all of The Canadian models will (hopefully) be here by the end of this year. But it does mean that our other projects are still waiting for a production slot. I apologize to all of you who are patiently waiting for delivery of promised Rapido models that aren't The Canadian and the FP9A. The good news is that all of our other projects combined equal the production time of just two Canadians. So once all The Canadian and FP9A models are delivered it will not take very long to deliver everything else we have formally announced."

Paul
Seattle, WA

--- In STMFC@..., "Douglas Harding" <doug.harding@...> wrote:

I was hoping to ask Bill this very question at the NMRA convention in Grand
Rapids. But Rapido was not present, neither was Bill. But others reported
their Canadian offerings are beautiful, indicating the sales of those items
continue to keep the reefer from production. Bill?



Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org







Re: Rapido meat reefers

Douglas Harding
 

I was hoping to ask Bill this very question at the NMRA convention in Grand
Rapids. But Rapido was not present, neither was Bill. But others reported
their Canadian offerings are beautiful, indicating the sales of those items
continue to keep the reefer from production. Bill?



Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org


Re: helium car decals?

Steven D Johnson
 

Rich,



Tony shows how he modified the MDC/Roundhouse roller bearing trucks to friction bearing in part one of his blog on modeling a helium car using the AHM model:



http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2012/04/helium-cars-part-1.html



Anybody know where I can obtain some of those trucks?



Thanks,



Steve Johnson





From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Rich C
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 8:00 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: helium car decals?





Tony & CJ, I received a handout on the Helium cars at Naperville a few years ago. Before they upgraded the trucks to roller bearing they used a heavy duty type with clasp brakes (obviously due to the weight of the car). I have not seen any truck like this in HO, but am sure someone has modified an existing design. If one is modeling modern day or when they were converted, the MDC/Roundhouse heavy duty roller bearing trucks would be a good starting point. I don't have the handout handy, so these details are only from what I remember.

Rich Christie


________________________________
From: cj riley <cjriley42@... <mailto:cjriley42%40yahoo.com> >
To: STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2012 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: helium car decals?




When I builtit, I had difficulty finding prototypoeinfo andbuilt according to the plans. I did use some photos for the decals. I have no idea what trucks I used. I was less carfull about that then. This goes back probably 15 years.

CJ Riley

Bainbridge Island WA

--- On Tue, 8/7/12, Anthony Thompson <mailto:thompson%40signaturepress.com> wrote:

From: Anthony Thompson <mailto:thompson%40signaturepress.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: helium car decals?
To: mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, August 7, 2012, 2:36 PM



cj riley wrote:

I bought te Ambroid kit a number of years ago at a train show and used the instructions to scratch the model from styrene. Much easier than trying to make wood look like steel. I printed my own decals at home using a font that was close to some photos I had. Not perfect, but I like it much better than the AHM.
Did you lengthen it to 45 feet? What did you do for trucks?

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA

2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 http://www.signaturepress.com/

(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, mailto:thompson%40signaturepress.com

Publishers of books on railroad history

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Re: helium car decals?

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Rich Christie wrote:
Tony & CJ, I received a handout on the Helium cars at Naperville a few years ago. Before they upgraded the trucks to roller bearing they used a heavy duty type with clasp brakes (obviously due to the weight of the car). I have not seen any truck like this in HO, but am sure someone has modified an existing design. If one is modeling modern day or when they were converted, the MDC/Roundhouse heavy duty roller bearing trucks would be a good starting point. I don't have the handout handy, so these details are only from what I remember.
Just two points, Rich. First, that Naperville handout is now available on the web, at:

http://www.atsfrr.org/Reviews/HO/Freight/Helium/Index.htm

scroll down about the second screen to find the download link for it.
Second, I have done the truck modification for this, resulting in a 100-ton truck that looks approximately right, with solid-bearing journals. Here's a link to some background as well as a description what I did with the trucks and how I did it, with pictures of the completed trucks:

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2012/04/helium-cars-part-1.html

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: helium car decals?

Rich C
 

Tony & CJ, I received a handout on the Helium cars at Naperville a few years ago. Before they upgraded the trucks to roller bearing they used a heavy duty type with clasp brakes (obviously due to the weight of the car). I have not seen any truck like this in HO, but am sure someone has modified an existing design. If one is modeling modern day or when they were converted, the MDC/Roundhouse heavy duty roller bearing trucks would be a good starting point. I don't have the handout handy, so these details are only from what I remember.
 
Rich Christie


________________________________
From: cj riley <cjriley42@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2012 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: helium car decals?



 

When I builtit, I had difficulty finding prototypoeinfo andbuilt according to the plans. I did use some photos for the decals. I have no idea what trucks I used. I was less carfull about that then. This goes back probably 15 years.

CJ Riley

Bainbridge Island WA

--- On Tue, 8/7/12, Anthony Thompson <mailto:thompson%40signaturepress.com> wrote:

From: Anthony Thompson <mailto:thompson%40signaturepress.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: helium car decals?
To: mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, August 7, 2012, 2:36 PM

 

cj riley wrote:

I bought te Ambroid kit a number of years ago at a train show and used the instructions to scratch the model from styrene. Much easier than trying to make wood look like steel. I printed my own decals at home using a font that was close to some photos I had. Not perfect, but I like it much better than the AHM.
Did you lengthen it to 45 feet? What did you do for trucks?

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA

2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 http://www.signaturepress.com/

(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, mailto:thompson%40signaturepress.com

Publishers of books on railroad history

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Rapido meat reefers

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

I note on the Rapido site that no date is now even estimated for arrival of these cars. I realize they have been delayed several times by manufacturing upheavals in China, but in prior months estimated arrival times were offered. I hope this project is not in jeopardy. If Bill Schneider is still on this list, maybe he can clarify.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


CAD to Artwork

Bill Lane
 

All,



Is there a CAD file format that can be read by Corel Draw? I have the real
PRR drawing showing the shapes of the letters I need to make decal artwork.
I can easily draw them in 2D in Solidworks. But it needs to be able to be
opened in Corel draw or vector - if you will...



Solidworks can be saved as in a ton of formats. I am just trying to get a
leg up on getting some artwork started.



Thank You,
Bill Lane

Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1988

See my finished models at:
<http://www.lanestrains.com/> http://www.lanestrains.com
Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!



See my layout progess at:

<http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm>
http://www.lanestrains.com/My_Layout.htm

Custom Train Parts Design
<http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm>
http://www.lanestrains.com/SolidWorks_Modeling.htm

PRR Builders Photos Bought, Sold & Traded
(Trading is MUCH preferred)
<http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls>
http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRphotos.xls

***Join the PRR T&HS***
The other members are not ALL like me!
<http://www.prrths.com/> http://www.prrths.com
<http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf>
http://www.lanestrains.com/PRRTHS_Application.pdf

Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society
It's FREE to join! <http://www.prslhs.com/> http://www.prslhs.com
Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL


Re: helium car decals?

CJ Riley
 

When I builtit, I had difficulty finding prototypoeinfo andbuilt according to the plans. I did use some photos for the decals. I have no idea what trucks I used. I was less carfull about that then. This goes back probably 15 years.

CJ Riley

Bainbridge Island WA

--- On Tue, 8/7/12, Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:

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Subject: [STMFC] Re: helium car decals?
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Date: Tuesday, August 7, 2012, 2:36 PM








 









cj riley wrote:

I bought te Ambroid kit a number of years ago at a train show and used the instructions to scratch the model from styrene. Much easier than trying to make wood look like steel. I printed my own decals at home using a font that was close to some photos I had. Not perfect, but I like it much better than the AHM.


Did you lengthen it to 45 feet? What did you do for trucks?



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Re: What kind of Refer is this in a Santa Fe train.

Bill Welch
 

These are some of the most interesting cars in FGE's fleet and I have many photos. I thought I would offer some information about them.

The car in question is a former PRR R7 reefer. Unlike PFE and SFRD, the companies in the FGE/WFE/BRE System did not assign class designations to their cars. ART and MDT also did not. AFAIK, FGE was the only company to employ two different groups of cars featuring outside steel bracing, the second FGE group being ten cars built for the N&W in 1916 and sold by them to FGE during WWII. (These cars were featured in the CB CYC's of the day and two photos of them are available from the N&W Archives in Virginia. A real find would be a photo of one in FGE paint and stenciling.) An easy mistake would be to refer to these types of cars as Single Sheathed but of course they were insulated so they were in fact Double Sheathed. In theory the advantage of having the steel bracing on the outside of the car would have meant there would have been no breaks in the insulation, although clearly there would have been penetrations in the insulation by the various fashioning devices used to secure the sheathing.

Technically speaking, all of the refrigerator cars that I am familiar with for our era were equipped with plug doors. In the photo in question, the car is equipped with "Hinged" or "Swing" doors, the second term being the one used by FGE on their drawings after about 1951. In about 1949, FGE rebuilt 20 of their 40-ft. ex-PRR cars with "Sliding Flush" doors--the manufacturers term--and assigned them to National Car.

The loading space in these cars was smaller than that of cars built in the 1920's, and the roofs had an unfortunate propensity to leak. Sometime in about the mid-193o's, FGE began to rebuild many of these cars with a larger capacity superstructure and added their signature Hutchins roof. The superstructure was basically the same as that featured on the revised FGE company built design beginning in 1926. Some of these cars were assigned to National Car. Others had permanent internal collapsable decking systems installed and given "FDEX" reporting marks and were stenciled "Double Deck" to the right of the doors. It is unclear to me if all of the cars so equipped also had four hinges per door, but most did have such an arrangement in this specialized service unique to FGE. All of the several photos I have of these car stenciled FDEX have four hinges per door. I have offered to Andrew w/Westerfield to do patterns for these cars as he already has the U/F.

To deal with the leak prone roof, FGE often rebuilt the roof using the Hutchins roof spliced between the roof hatches. From what I can glean from photographs however, the original flat seam roofs did survive, as did the replacement roofs applied by the PRR to the R7's assigned to express service. All 3 of these can be modeled from Westerfield kits. As initially offered however, the Hutchins roof included in the kit incorrectly has intermediate ribs cast into the roof panels. These are easy to remove and sand smooth. I am not sure if Al re-mastered these parts once this was pointed out.

RP CYC #15 had a good article about these cars but uncharacteristically did not underscore two detail variations. Some cars were built with six rung side ladders and others with five rung side ladders with a drop grab under the ladder. The cars with six rung ladders had an extra bracket on each end that supports the large beam along the lower portion of the side. The Westerfield kits include the parts to model both variations.

Other variations to model are the grab irons on the left-end of each side-- two 18-inch; two long; and one 18-inch above and one long below. I also have at least 2 photos from the early 1950's showing cars with only a single long grab iron on the left end. With photographs to document the possibilities, I decided to build four models of these using a combination of the two ladder variations (2 each), one original roof, one PRR replacement, and two with the Hutchins roof splice jobs, and all of the left-end grab combinations.

Another interesting feature of these cars is the paint treatment of the side sill. Usually on FGE/WFE/BRE cars with a visible side sill, this was painted black, but all of the photos I have of these cars seem to indicate the side sill was painted oxide or red/brown, just like the ends, roof and kick board area under the doors. In one photo I have the sill steps appear to match the sill, while in another photo I believe I can detect a color separation, indicating to me that the step part below the attachment points was painted black. I will probably do two models of each style.

I hope to have at least one of these models ready for Cocoa Beach 2013.

Although these cars are not what I would call the Signature Car of the FGE fleet--I reserve that designation for the 4,000 plus cars built by FGE beginning in 1921 and installed in their 32000 series--it was certainly an iconic refrigerator car in their fleet. Their other iconic cars IMO were their truss rod cars.

Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727-470-9930
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--- In STMFC@..., "Scott" <repairman87@...> wrote:

While surfing the net looking for some Santa Fe steam pictures I came across this one:

http://www.yesteryeardepot.com/SF135D.JPG

What is the first car behind the Locomotives? I assume its a refer of some sort as it has plug doors.

One a side note man that FT's look good too! Such classics!

Thanks,
Scott McDonald