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Re: helium car decals?

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

cj riley wrote:
I bought te Ambroid kit a number of years ago at a train show and used the instructions to scratch the model from styrene. Much easier than trying to make wood look like steel. I printed my own decals at home using a font that was close to some photos I had. Not perfect, but I like it much better than the AHM.
Did you lengthen it to 45 feet? What did you do for trucks?

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Re: simplified model brake gear / helium car decals?

CJ Riley
 

<?Probably the most accurate "affordable" model out there is the Ambroid, and they go for $10+ on ebay and require a lot of time.>

I bought te Ambroid kit a number of years ago at a train show and used the instructions to scratch the model from styrene. Much easier than trying to make wood look like steel. I printed my own decals at home using a font that was close to some photos I had. Not perfect, but I like it much better than the AHM.

I sold the kit for more than I paid for it. VBG

CJ Riley

Bainbridge Island WA

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Re: Yellow Paint

Scott H. Haycock
 

Try first painting with a light gray undercoat.
Scott Haycock

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I've seen silver on plastic cars that I've stripped.

Ed Mines


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Re: What kind of Refer is this in a Santa Fe train.

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Aug 7, 2012, at 7:57 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

That's an ex-PRR R7, a single sheathed reefer built along the lines
of the PRR X23 box cars. They were all sold to FGE by the 1930's. That
particular one appears to have its original swing doors. I thought
that
Westerfield was going to do this car?
Westerfield DID do this car, in several versions, and I have one of
the kits with one piece body.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: What kind of Refer is this in a Santa Fe train.

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Aug 6, 2012, at 11:46 PM, bill Vaughn wrote:
Could it be a PRR R7
Not running behind Santa Fe FT diesels. Pennsy sold all the R7s to
Fruit Growers Express in the 1920s. But it certainly was an ex-R7
running under FGEX or NX reporting marks, as Bruce Smith has already
pointed out.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Yellow Paint

ed_mines
 

--- In STMFC@..., "appremo" <armprem2@...> wrote:

Need help getting good coverage with yellow paint.I have tried most brands,but am rarely satisfied with the results.Any suggestions?Armand Premo
I've seen silver on plastic cars that I've stripped.

Ed Mines


Re: simplified model brake gear

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Dennis Storzek wrote:
Are you aware that the Accurail one piece cylinder / lever / rod molding is available separately?

http://accurail.com/accurail/brakeset.htm
Yes, thanks, Dennis, I was aware of it, and have used it in building one of the nice Accurail gondolas. I was impressed how good it looks there. This would be an even quicker way to do brake gear, though since I have quite a stash of Cal-Scale and other brake gear parts, I tend to use them. But it's a good suggestion.

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Re: simplified model brake gear

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@..., Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:

A couple of you on this list have requested that I show more clearly how I apply simplified brake gear to HO freight cars, so I have written a blog post to do so. If you're interested, here is a link to it:

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2012/08/simplified-underframe-brake-gear.html

Tony Thompson
Tony,

Are you aware that the Accurail one piece cylinder / lever / rod molding is available separately?

http://accurail.com/accurail/brakeset.htm

Dennis


Re: helium car decals? [Was: simplified brake gear]

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Steve Sandifer wrote:
Cars were U.S.N.X. with lines above and below prior to the summer of 1955. Then they became MHAX and ATMX. After 1964 all were MHAX.

Probably the most accurate "affordable" model out there is the Ambroid, and they go for $10+ on ebay and require a lot of time. The AHM cars have numerous problems with the underframe being totally wrong. The prototype underframe is open to the tanks above. Given the errors in the AHM model, I would think the decal master on the Santa Fe site is "close enough" for an already flawed model.
And the AHM model is 40 instead of 45 feet. But the Ambroid model is rather lacking in rivets in many places (though they can be added) and has the usual problem of getting a good finish on the wood to look like metal. And as you say, the kit has the reputation of being less than easy.
But the fact that the AHM model has defects doesn't make me think I should pile on more of them. Trucks are a major problem, which I've tried to fix as well as I can, and I would like the decals to be close to right. Otherwise you're making a poor model worse.
Overall, your summary about the prototype is entirely correct as far as I know.

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Re: simplified model brake gear

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Andy Sperandeo wrote:
I've done more than a few cars with simplified brake gear similar to yours, and I agree that this basic level is good enough for viewing on most layouts. I find it easier to stick to this "quick-and-dirty" approach when upgrading older cars, however. With new kits my enthusiasm often gets the best of me and I go for as much piping as I can manage. (And I wish I'd been more consistent in modeling those relief valve rods.)

But that's my problem, and I admire both your practicality and your post.
Thanks, Andy. I appreciate your comments. As I mentioned in the post, occasionally I DO model all the piping, chains, etc., especially on tank cars.

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Re: simplified model brake gear / helium car decals?

James SANDIFER
 

One of the issues with the fonts is that these cars were not stenciled uniformly throughout their lives. I have in front of me detail photos of the MHAX 1111, MHAX 1242, and MHAX 1237 as they appear today. Many other shots are available on Google search.

The font is on more recent paint schemes is a stencil with breaks in the segments of each letter or number. So a special stencil font is necessary. Shots of STMFC era shows continuous fonts, not stencil.

The size of the reporting marks and of the word Helium varies from car to car by era. Older photos show higher and bolder reporting marks while later paint was smaller (7" high) and narrower reporting marks. The word Helium did not appear until after 1962 and it is seen in at least two sizes.

Cars were U.S.N.X. with lines above and below prior to the summer of 1955. Then they became MHAX and ATMX. After 1964 all were MHAX.

Probably the most accurate "affordable" model out there is the Ambroid, and they go for $10+ on ebay and require a lot of time. The AHM cars have numerous problems with the underframe being totally wrong. The prototype underframe is open to the tanks above. Given the errors in the AHM model, I would think the decal master on the Santa Fe site is "close enough" for an already flawed model.

Paint for 1942-55 should be battleship gray for the entire model. Trucks, underframe, end sills, couplers, safety appliances, ladders, door hardware, placard holders, and brake wheel should be back. Lettering is black.

http://atsfrr.net/Reviews/HO/Freight/Helium/Index.htm

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Subject: Re: [STMFC] simplified model brake gear / helium car decals?



Steve Johnson wrote:
> Do you have any information on this helium car decal artwork?
>
> http://www.atsfrr.org/Reviews/HO/Freight/Helium/HeliumDecals.pdf

Yes, I do. It isn't the correct character set (today we would call it a "font"), as can readily be seen by comparing it to a prototype photo.

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Re: What kind of Refer is this in a Santa Fe train.

Benjamin Hom
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
"That's an ex-PRR R7, a single sheathed reefer built along the lines
of the PRR X23 box cars. They were all sold to FGE by the 1930's. That
particular one appears to have its original swing doors. I thought that
Westerfield was going to do this car?"

Westerfield DID do this car in the 11600 series of kits:
https://id18538.securedata.net/westerfieldmodels.com/merchantmanager/index.php?cPath=95



Ben Hom


Re: What kind of Refer is this in a Santa Fe train.

Tim O'Connor
 

Scott

That's an ex-PRR R7, a single sheathed reefer built along the lines
of the PRR X23 box cars. They were all sold to FGE by the 1930's. That
particular one appears to have its original swing doors. I thought that
Westerfield was going to do this car?

Tim O'Connor

While surfing the net looking for some Santa Fe steam pictures I came across this one:

http://www.yesteryeardepot.com/SF135D.JPG

What is the first car behind the Locomotives? I assume its a refer of some sort as it has plug doors.

One a side note man that FT's look good too! Such classics!

Thanks,
Scott McDonald


Re: simplified model brake gear

Andy Sperandeo
 

Hi Tony,

I've done more than a few cars with simplified brake gear similar to yours, and I agree that this basic level is good enough for viewing on most layouts. I find it easier to stick to this "quick-and-dirty" approach when upgrading older cars, however. With new kits my enthusiasm often gets the best of me and I go for as much piping as I can manage. (And I wish I'd been more consistent in modeling those relief valve rods.) 

But that's my problem, and I admire both your practicality and your post.

See you,

Andy


Re: What kind of Refer is this in a Santa Fe train.

Benjamin Hom
 

Scott McDonald asked: 
"While surfing the net looking for some Santa Fe steam pictures I came across
this one:
http://www.yesteryeardepot.com/SF135D.JPG
What is the first car behind the Locomotives? I assume its a re[e]fer of some
sort

as it has plug doors."

Bill Vaughn replied:
"Could it be a PRR R7?"

Absolutely, though by the time of this photo the car would be running under
Fruit Growers Express reporting marks.


Ben Hom


Re: What kind of Refer is this in a Santa Fe train.

Bill Vaughn
 

Could it be a PRR R7

Bill Vaughn


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Subject: [STMFC] What kind of Refer is this in a Santa Fe train.


 
While surfing the net looking for some Santa Fe steam pictures I came across this one:

http://www.yesteryeardepot.com/SF135D.JPG

What is the first car behind the Locomotives? I assume its a refer of some sort as it has plug doors.

One a side note man that FT's look good too! Such classics!

Thanks,
Scott McDonald




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Re: What kind of Refer is this in a Santa Fe train.

Bruce Smith
 

Looks like it might be an ex-PRR R7 reefer. Depending on the year it could be in FGE or National service. These cars also ended up in Mathieson Dry Ice service but this one lacks the placards for the lettering for Mathieson..

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

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Subject: [STMFC] What kind of Refer is this in a Santa Fe train.

While surfing the net looking for some Santa Fe steam pictures I came across this one:

http://www.yesteryeardepot.com/SF135D.JPG

What is the first car behind the Locomotives? I assume its a refer of some sort as it has plug doors.

One a side note man that FT's look good too! Such classics!

Thanks,
Scott McDonald





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What kind of Refer is this in a Santa Fe train.

Scott
 

While surfing the net looking for some Santa Fe steam pictures I came across this one:

http://www.yesteryeardepot.com/SF135D.JPG

What is the first car behind the Locomotives? I assume its a refer of some sort as it has plug doors.

One a side note man that FT's look good too! Such classics!

Thanks,
Scott McDonald


Re: 3-dome tank car

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Is Jay Barger listening?



SGL



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Anthony Thompson
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Gene Green wrote:
The model may be from Globe (pre-Athearn).
I would doubt this. I have an Athearn metal tank with three domes, and MANY
aspects of the construction are quite different from the car in Gene's
photos. Does anyone know of a print or on-line source of information about
Athearn's metal cars other than house cars?

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FOUND Data Sheet & Instructions for Sunshine 7.7

Rich C
 

Group, Jim Hayes and Richard Hendrickson provided the information needed.
 
Thanks again,
 
Rich Christie

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