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Re: simplified model brake gear

Nelson Moyer <ku0a@...>
 

One additional detail that Tony didn't mention is frequently visible,
therefore notable by its absence. That's the relief valve rod and handle,
which is sometimes mounted directly to the AB valve on the valve side of the
car, and sometimes mounted using a small plate welded to the frame of wood
sheathed cars or under the sill of steel cars, depending upon location of
the AB valve.

I confess to omitting the train line when it can't be seen, but I always
model KC brake piping and almost always model AB brake piping. I may or may
not run the retainer valve pipe all the way to the AB valve for car with AB
brakes, depending upon its visibility. I usually do so for cars with KC
brakes, because the pipe connection is visible. I model the chain on the
handbrake linkages of stem-winders, and the chain linkage between the
handbrake lever and the brake rod, since those are frequently visible
because they sag a little. To model brake linkages, I use the turnbuckle
clevis method popularized by Ted Culotta (and others?). Yes, the clevises
are oversized, but sticking a bent wire into a hole in the brake lever isn't
prototypical, either, and scratchbuilding clevises is a little bit too
obsessive-compulsive for me. When batch building resin kits of the same car,
I measure, cut, and fit the first set of wires, then draw a template or make
a styrene jig to reproduce the various pipes quickly without having to
measure, cut and fit every piece of wire on every car. That saved a lot of
time on a set of six Sunshine stock cars.

About half of my freight car fleet was built (or is being built) from resin
kits. I don't plan to further enhance the P2K, Branchline, Red Caboose, or
Intermountain cars I've built from kits. The only RTR car in my fleet is an
Exact Rail Milwaukee rib side box car.

Basically, I concur with Tony about not modeling details that can't be seen
in normal operation, but if your layout has a high upper level, you can see
a lot more brake detail than when it doesn't. Height and viewing angle is a
factor to be reckoned with when deciding what to model and what to omit.

Nelson Moyer

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Fenton Wells
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 6:12 PM
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Subject: Re: [STMFC] simplified model brake gear

Tony, that is good stuff as when some one with your credentials models
things as many of us mortals do it makes us feel vindicated.
Fenton


On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 6:12 PM, Anthony Thompson <
thompson@...> wrote:

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A couple of you on this list have requested that I show more clearly how I
apply simplified brake gear to HO freight cars, so I have written a blog
post to do so. If you're interested, here is a link to it:


http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2012/08/simplified-underframe-brake-gear.h
tml

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Re: simplified model brake gear / helium car decals?

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Steve Johnson wrote:
Do you have any information on this helium car decal artwork?

http://www.atsfrr.org/Reviews/HO/Freight/Helium/HeliumDecals.pdf
Yes, I do. It isn't the correct character set (today we would call it a "font"), as can readily be seen by comparing it to a prototype photo.

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Re: Looking for input for future projects

Richard Townsend
 

I would go for the Enterprise gondola. The Colorado & Southern had many of them, and I would buy at least a dozen of them for my model RR. But some of you already knew that, since I have been advocating for this car for years.


Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon


Re: simplified model brake gear / helium car decals?

Steven D Johnson
 

Tony,



Do you have any information on this helium car decal artwork?



http://www.atsfrr.org/Reviews/HO/Freight/Helium/HeliumDecals.pdf



Thanks,



Steve Johnson





From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Anthony Thompson
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 6:07 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] simplified model brake gear / helium car decals?





Steve Johnson wrote:
Thanks, Tony, that's some good stuff. I am a new member to this group, and
wasn't aware of all your blogs. I especially enjoyed the ones modeling the
helium car using the AHM model. Are there any HO decals available for helium
cars?

Working on that, the main reason my model isn't done. There is a real expert
on these cars, who has ALL the info but however is "too busy" to complete
artwork for decals, so I may do it instead. I hope Jerry Glow will produce
them if we have artwork.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
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Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: simplified model brake gear

O Fenton Wells
 

Tony, that is good stuff as when some one with your credentials models
things as many of us mortals do it makes us feel vindicated.
Fenton


On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 6:12 PM, Anthony Thompson <
thompson@...> wrote:

**


A couple of you on this list have requested that I show more clearly how I
apply simplified brake gear to HO freight cars, so I have written a blog
post to do so. If you're interested, here is a link to it:


http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2012/08/simplified-underframe-brake-gear.html

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history




--
Fenton Wells
3047 Creek Run
Sanford NC 27332
919-499-5545
@srrfan


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Re: simplified model brake gear / helium car decals?

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Steve Johnson wrote:
Thanks, Tony, that's some good stuff. I am a new member to this group, and wasn't aware of all your blogs. I especially enjoyed the ones modeling the helium car using the AHM model. Are there any HO decals available for helium cars?
Working on that, the main reason my model isn't done. There is a real expert on these cars, who has ALL the info but however is "too busy" to complete artwork for decals, so I may do it instead. I hope Jerry Glow will produce them if we have artwork.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Looking for input for future projects

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
A styrene replacement for the Ulrich GS gondola, that would be sweet. I could use a half dozen.
This 1920s prototype (an Enterprise gondola) would be a great choice, because lots of roads had similar if not identical cars. Even a simplified version, i.e. with cast-on grabs, etc. could be very useful if well done otherwise (such as Accurail).

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
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Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: simplified model brake gear

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Aug 6, 2012, at 3:12 PM, Anthony Thompson wrote:
A couple of you on this list have requested that I show more
clearly how I apply simplified brake gear to HO freight cars, so I
have written a blog post to do so. If you're interested, here is a
link to it:

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2012/08/simplified-underframe-
brake-gear.html
Nice presentation on the essentials, Tony. You do exactly what I
do. And the white car bodies really make it visible.

Richard


Re: Ambroid ACL phosphate car

ron christensen
 

The Seaboard Coast line modeling magazine issue 14 had an article on the cars and it has given me some good information.
The car type is a U-4 hopper.
The bottom hopper doors under the car seem to be different, as they are directly below the center sill. Anyone with information that would clear up how that would work?
Ron Christensen

--- In STMFC@..., "Schuyler.larrabee" <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:

I don't have any photo to offer, but OTOH, some hopper cars were equipped
with dual braking systems on each truck, and only air lines (if that) would
have to extend the length of the car. Meaning air lines to coordinate the
two systems. Of course, the train line would have to extend full length.



SGL



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
rxensen
Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2012 12:41 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Ambroid ACL phosphate car





I decided to dig out an old wood kit and build it for old time sake.
It doesn't have the correct brake piping or rigging. Would anyone have a
picture of the prototype car, or maybe suggest some where to look for a
photo. with the long hoppers the brake rods must have been on the side. A
photo of any type with this type hopper bottom would probably be the way I
would go.
Ron Christensen





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Re: simplified model brake gear / helium car decals?

Steven D Johnson
 

Thanks, Tony, that's some good stuff. I am a new member to this group, and
wasn't aware of all your blogs. I especially enjoyed the ones modeling the
helium car using the AHM model. Are there any HO decals available for
helium cars?



Steve Johnson





From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Anthony Thompson
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 5:12 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] simplified model brake gear





A couple of you on this list have requested that I show more clearly how I
apply simplified brake gear to HO freight cars, so I have written a blog
post to do so. If you're interested, here is a link to it:

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2012/08/simplified-underframe-brake-gear.h
tml

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
<mailto:thompson%40signaturepress.com>
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Looking for input for future projects

Tim O'Connor
 

A styrene replacement for the Ulrich GS gondola, that would be sweet. I could use a half dozen.

The UCR gondola would be great, as would the Carbon County/USS/B&LE triple hoppers,
but what chance of any of those? :-/

Tim O'Connor

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From: "Allen Rueter" <allen_282@...>

Pierre,
Not that you would see them in Ontario , but how about a UCR gon ?
or maybe Chad could make a replacement end with vertical braces for the ulrich gons

--
Allen Rueter
StLouis MO


simplified model brake gear

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

A couple of you on this list have requested that I show more clearly how I apply simplified brake gear to HO freight cars, so I have written a blog post to do so. If you're interested, here is a link to it:

http://modelingthesp.blogspot.com/2012/08/simplified-underframe-brake-gear.html

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


SMMW clarification

Jim King
 

Re: a recent post concerning the Southern 52'6" gon kit that I once
produced, I am exiting the HO resin kit market, not the entire model RR
market. My model manufacturing focus will be S scale but I'll continue
modeling in HO. Only the SAL B7 kit remains and once production is
completed on that, then I'll be "done" with HO manufacturing.



Jim King

Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc.

Ph. (828) 777-5619

<www.smokymountainmodelworks.com>


Looking for Data sheet and instructions for Sunshie Kit 7.7

Rich C
 

Group, Just picked up a rare Mather kit (Wichita Northwestern) Sunshine #7.7, however it is missing the data sheet along with the insruction sheet. Can someone help?
 
 
Thanks,
Rich Christie

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Re: Looking for input for future projects

Pierre <pierre.oliver@...>
 

Daniel,
C'mon, you've got a 8 hatch reefer coming at you soon. What more do you want? :-)
What would you suggest?
Pierre OLiver

--- In STMFC@..., Daniel McConnachie <dmcconnachie@...> wrote:

Pierre,

Any chance we could see something in S Scale for us CN modellers out there?
 
Daniel McConnachie
Retired Head of Music
Stouffville District Secondary School


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From: Pierre <pierre.oliver@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, August 6, 2012 6:42:34 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Looking for input for future projects


 
Dare away Rob.
It's under consideration already.
Pierre OLiver

--- In STMFC@..., "roblmclear" <rob.mclear3@> wrote:


Dare I ask for a Santa Fe Express Reefer, steel not wood.....

Rob Mclear
Australia.


--- In STMFC@..., Pierre Oliver <pierre.oliver@> wrote:

Morning fellows,
Now that the Wabash stock car kits are being shipped,( see my blog for
that adventure, http://www.elgincarshops.com/mylayout.php), it's time to
look ahead to future projects.
To that end I'm inviting you to contact me directly with suggestions for
resin kits. What car is it that you desire and others may desire as well?
I'm open to most eras and roads.
Send me your suggestions directly, please and we'll see what happens.
Cheers,

--
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com





Re: Looking for input for future projects

Daniel McConnachie <dmcconnachie@...>
 

Pierre,

Any chance we could see something in S Scale for us CN modellers out there?
 
Daniel McConnachie
Retired Head of Music
Stouffville District Secondary School


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From: Pierre <pierre.oliver@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, August 6, 2012 6:42:34 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Looking for input for future projects


 
Dare away Rob.
It's under consideration already.
Pierre OLiver

--- In STMFC@..., "roblmclear" <rob.mclear3@...> wrote:


Dare I ask for a Santa Fe Express Reefer, steel not wood.....

Rob Mclear
Australia.


--- In STMFC@..., Pierre Oliver <pierre.oliver@> wrote:

Morning fellows,
Now that the Wabash stock car kits are being shipped,( see my blog for
that adventure, http://www.elgincarshops.com/mylayout.php), it's time to
look ahead to future projects.
To that end I'm inviting you to contact me directly with suggestions for
resin kits. What car is it that you desire and others may desire as well?
I'm open to most eras and roads.
Send me your suggestions directly, please and we'll see what happens.
Cheers,

--
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com


Re: Looking for input for future projects

Pierre <pierre.oliver@...>
 

Allen,
Couple of things.
I have no intention of restricting the product line to what may have been seen in Ontario.
Having said that, you'd be surprised at what made it's way across the border. Never say never, cause that's when a wheel report or a photo will show up proving you wrong.
Pierre Oliver

--- In STMFC@..., Allen Rueter <allen_282@...> wrote:

Pierre,

   Not that you would see them in  Ontario , but how about a UCR gon ?

 
or  maybe Chad could make a replacement end with vertical braces for the ulrich gons

--
Allen Rueter
StLouis MO



Re: Looking for input for future projects

Allen Rueter
 

Pierre,

   Not that you would see them in  Ontario , but how about a UCR gon ?

 
or  maybe Chad could make a replacement end with vertical braces for the ulrich gons

--
Allen Rueter
StLouis MO

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Re: Looking for input for future projects

John Degnan
 

Folks,



I am issueing this apology to the group as a whole... because my recent comment was NOT meant  to go to the group.  In fact, it was not even meant to go to THIS group at all.  Somehow I managed to get two open e-mails crossed up while writing them... can't explain it, it just happened... and I did not catch it until I saw the replies to it coming up on the groups.



Moderator, feel free to delete this post and/or moderate me until I can learn to double check things BEFORE I send them.



I never was good at proofreading... guess I gotta learn it now.



John Degnan

@Scaler164

Scaler187@...

----- Original Message -----


From: "Benjamin Hom" <b.hom@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, August 6, 2012 9:02:14 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Looking for input for future projects

John Degnan wrote, in part:
"HOWEVER... it is this same modeler... and all of the other well known modelers,

who have the NERVE to take a $35 freight car of just about ANY brand, dress it
up a little with a little weathering (and maybe a few minor details and/or
decals) (making to total investment still less than $50), and try to sell it for

well over $100!!!"

1. What the heck does this have to do with the subject line?  Thought we were
looking for candidates for new models, not a rant on "depreciation".
2. Which "well known modelers"?  Certainly none on this list.  Again with the
McCarthy-like "waiving list of Communists"!


Ben Hom



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Re: 3-dome tank car

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

The model may be from Globe (pre-Athearn).
The 1950 instructions for the Athearn metal 3-dome car look a great deal like Gene's model. The one I have, identified by the seller as Athearn, is definitely different and might be an early Mantua. Here's the Athearn kit instructions:

http://www.hoseeker.net/athearninstructionscars1950/Athearn3dometankcar1950.jpg

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