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Re: 3-dome tank car

John Hagen <sprinthag@...>
 

Try hoseeker.net



They have many instructions/diagrams from most of HO manufactures of yore.



Here is a link to the 1950 Athearn three dome car.



http://www.hoseeker.net/athearninstructionscars1950/Athearn3dometankcar1950.
jpg



They also show a 1957 version.



John Hagen



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Anthony Thompson
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2012 12:58 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: 3-dome tank car





Gene Green wrote:
The model may be from Globe (pre-Athearn).
I would doubt this. I have an Athearn metal tank with three domes, and MANY
aspects of the construction are quite different from the car in Gene's
photos. Does anyone know of a print or on-line source of information about
Athearn's metal cars other than house cars?

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
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Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: 3-dome tank car

Richard Townsend
 

I didn't get a chance to look at the photos, but Gem imported brass 3-dome tank cars that resemble the Athearn plastic 3-dome tank car, al least as to size. So it is possible that the car is a Gem model. They appear from time to time on eBay. You can see an example here: http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/gem-models-brass-dome-tank-car-ho-133936844


Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon


Re: 3-dome tank car

john.allyn@...
 

Try HO Seekers.  Here is a link to their Athearn page. 



http://hoseeker.net/athearnmicellaneous.html



Look under 1950's kit instructions.  Information on Globe tankers (an other likely suspect) is a little sparse


John B. Allyn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony Thompson" <thompson@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, August 6, 2012 12:57:47 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: 3-dome tank car

 




Gene Green wrote:
The model may be from Globe (pre-Athearn).
I would doubt this. I have an Athearn metal tank with three domes, and MANY aspects of the construction are quite different from the car in Gene's photos. Does anyone know of a print or on-line source of information about Athearn's metal cars other than house cars?

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history




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Re: What is this groups time window?

Mikebrock
 

Mike Fleming asks:

"I am drawing a blank right now what is the earliest time this group covers?"

From the group's rules:

"...North American, standard gauge railroad freight cars in
the period 1900-1960 inclusive
including their operation,
distribution and the various techniques of building models of them."

Mike Brock


What is this groups time window?

Mike Fleming
 

I am drawing a blank right now what is the earliest time this group covers?


Mike Fleming
Superintendent, Bluff City Div. SER, NMRA
President Emeritus, Memphis Society of Model Railroaders
Vice President, Memphis Railroad and Trolley Museum Inc.


Re: 3-dome tank car

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Gene Green wrote:
The model may be from Globe (pre-Athearn).
I would doubt this. I have an Athearn metal tank with three domes, and MANY aspects of the construction are quite different from the car in Gene's photos. Does anyone know of a print or on-line source of information about Athearn's metal cars other than house cars?

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: 3-dome tank car

Tim O'Connor
 

Why remove it? Information always has some value, and bad models need to be documented too. :-)

Tim O'Connor

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <bierglaeser@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, August 6, 2012 10:16:55 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: 3-dome tank car

My hopes for a neat little 3-compartment tank car have been dashed on the rocks of reality.

My thanks to Ed Hawkins who responded off-list with encouraging information and Richard Hendrickson who responded off-list with discouraging information.

The model may be from Globe (pre-Athearn).

SHPX 122 is apparently correct for a multi-compartment car of 6000 gallon capacity but number of prototype compartments is unknown. Date built of 7-41 is too recent. Should be something in 1935 or 1936 roughly. Underframe could possibly be redetailed as a GATC-built tank car. Tank itself is about 10 feet too long and diameter is a little too great but maybe close enough if one doesn't look too closely.

Ah, well, I have an interesting relic of our modeling past. I have removed the 3-dome tank car album.

Gene Green


Re: Looking for input for future projects

Tim O'Connor
 

If you can find the SMMW kit for the Southern gondolas, it's a beauty! Also
Tangent now makes an ACL version of their "PRR G31" (ACF) gondola, built
in 1952.

Tim O'Connor

----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank Greene" <frgreene290@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, August 6, 2012 12:49:30 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Looking for input for future projects

The Southern bought 52' 6" gondolas from PS in the 1950s, but they were
not PS-5s. The Southern's cars had 13 side posts vs 14 on ACL and L&N
PS-5s. Each of the 3 had different side post length, width, and/or
spacing. The fish-belly slope was different between the Southern's and
the PS-5s.

A PS-5 model would be welcome. Smoky Mountain Model Works made a resin
kit for the Southern cars. However, Jim King is exiting the model RR
market place and sold his patterns and molds to WrightTrak. Gary Wright
has not announced his plans for the former SMMW kits. The SRHA may
still have a few.


Re: Looking for input for future projects

Frank Greene
 

The Southern bought 52' 6" gondolas from PS in the 1950s, but they were not PS-5s. The Southern's cars had 13 side posts vs 14 on ACL and L&N PS-5s. Each of the 3 had different side post length, width, and/or spacing. The fish-belly slope was different between the Southern's and the PS-5s.

A PS-5 model would be welcome. Smoky Mountain Model Works made a resin kit for the Southern cars. However, Jim King is exiting the model RR market place and sold his patterns and molds to WrightTrak. Gary Wright has not announced his plans for the former SMMW kits. The SRHA may still have a few.

On 8/6/2012 8:33 AM, Phillip Blancher wrote:
Pierre,

I'd like to see the Pullman Standard PS-5 gondola. There are many
railroads in the 1950's that bought these including the Southern,
Atlantic Coast Line and most importantly for me, the Rutland. I have
some research materials if that would help as well if you would like
them.

Phil
--

Frank Greene
Memphis, TN


ADMIN:Re: Re: Looking for input for future projects

Mikebrock
 

John Degnan writes:

"As far as I am concerned, this clearly reveals a HUGE double-standard... or... a lot of inflated egos. And as far as I am concerned, it makes some people look like opportunistic cheapskates... and it seems to be the exact opposite of what this thread is about - diminishing the value by painting.

So... the answer to what a paint job does to model seems to depend (at least in HO) on WHO does the painting... if, and I strongly imphacise "IF"... the BIG NAMES are right."

Anyone have any idea what or who John is referring to? Off group of course. I can't figure out how many group rules John broke in his "message" primarily because I can't figure out what he is talking about. I did check my name size...4 letters in my first name, 5 in the last...so at least I don't think I'm one of the BIG NAME folks he refers to... Anyhow, we did find him a spot in Moderate Jail for the time being...probably in the cell with the guy that keeps screaming that we have too many Union Pacific messages [ odd ]. Hopefully John was intending to send his message to another group.

More proof that the moderator's job is never done. Anyhow, let us move on...

Mike Brock
STMFC Head Judge and Owner


Re: 3-dome tank car

Gene <bierglaeser@...>
 

My hopes for a neat little 3-compartment tank car have been dashed on the rocks of reality.

My thanks to Ed Hawkins who responded off-list with encouraging information and Richard Hendrickson who responded off-list with discouraging information.

The model may be from Globe (pre-Athearn).

SHPX 122 is apparently correct for a multi-compartment car of 6000 gallon capacity but number of prototype compartments is unknown. Date built of 7-41 is too recent. Should be something in 1935 or 1936 roughly. Underframe could possibly be redetailed as a GATC-built tank car. Tank itself is about 10 feet too long and diameter is a little too great but maybe close enough if one doesn't look too closely.

Ah, well, I have an interesting relic of our modeling past. I have removed the 3-dome tank car album.

Gene Green


Re: Looking for input for future projects

Phillip Blancher <pblancher@...>
 

Pierre,

I'd like to see the Pullman Standard PS-5 gondola. There are many
railroads in the 1950's that bought these including the Southern,
Atlantic Coast Line and most importantly for me, the Rutland. I have
some research materials if that would help as well if you would like
them.

Phil

On Sat, Aug 4, 2012 at 8:14 AM, Pierre Oliver <pierre.oliver@...> wrote:
Morning fellows,
Now that the Wabash stock car kits are being shipped,( see my blog for
that adventure, http://www.elgincarshops.com/mylayout.php), it's time to
look ahead to future projects.
To that end I'm inviting you to contact me directly with suggestions for
resin kits. What car is it that you desire and others may desire as well?
I'm open to most eras and roads.
Send me your suggestions directly, please and we'll see what happens.
Cheers,

--
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com



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Re: Looking for input for future projects

Joel Holmes <lehighvalley@...>
 

Hi John & Ben,

Enough is enough. I would like to see some 1900 wood truss rod freight cars.

Joel Holmes

John Degnan
Ben Hom


Re: Looking for input for future projects

Benjamin Hom
 

John Degnan wrote, in part:
"HOWEVER... it is this same modeler... and all of the other well known modelers,

who have the NERVE to take a $35 freight car of just about ANY brand, dress it
up a little with a little weathering (and maybe a few minor details and/or
decals) (making to total investment still less than $50), and try to sell it for

well over $100!!!"

1. What the heck does this have to do with the subject line?  Thought we were
looking for candidates for new models, not a rant on "depreciation".
2. Which "well known modelers"?  Certainly none on this list.  Again with the
McCarthy-like "waiving list of Communists"!


Ben Hom


Re: Looking for input for future projects

John Degnan
 

Whether it be brass or plastic, the (royally screwed up) mentality of a LARGE number of the 'big name', widely-publicised modelers in HO that I have dealt with in the past is that once you buy a model and walk out the store's door... havning never once been even so much as removed from it's box... it has, somehow, diminished in value to the tune of at LEAST 35 (or more) percent! Once... not long after I mentioned in a post that was considering selling my BRAND NEW, NEVER RUN, NEVER REMOVED FROM THE BOX HO scale Genesis F-3 models for sale, I was contacted by a very reputable modeler who lives in my area, and was told that when I quoted to him what I might want for the models, that I should "sharpen my pencil" when I replied with the price.

HOWEVER... it is this same modeler... and all of the other well known modelers, who have the NERVE to take a $35 freight car of just about ANY brand, dress it up a little with a little weathering (and maybe a few minor details and/or decals) (making to total investment still less than $50), and try to sell it for well over $100!!!

It is my understanding, based on THEIR 'diminished value' idiology, that the value of their $35 freight car was IMMEDIATELY cut down to about $20... so even with the weathering and details and decals, their precious model should not have DARED go above the $45 mark... coming nowhere NEAR their more-than-$100 mark!

As far as I am concerned, this clearly reveals a HUGE double-standard... or... a lot of inflated egos. And as far as I am concerned, it makes some people look like opportunistic cheapskates... and it seems to be the exact opposite of what this thread is about - diminishing the value by painting.

So... the answer to what a paint job does to model seems to depend (at least in HO) on WHO does the painting... if, and I strongly imphacise "IF"... the BIG NAMES are right.

I, however, fundamentally reject their idiology.


John Degnan
@Scaler164
Scaler187@...


Re: Looking for input for future projects

Pierre <pierre.oliver@...>
 

Dare away Rob.
It's under consideration already.
Pierre OLiver

--- In STMFC@..., "roblmclear" <rob.mclear3@...> wrote:


Dare I ask for a Santa Fe Express Reefer, steel not wood.....

Rob Mclear
Australia.


--- In STMFC@..., Pierre Oliver <pierre.oliver@> wrote:

Morning fellows,
Now that the Wabash stock car kits are being shipped,( see my blog for
that adventure, http://www.elgincarshops.com/mylayout.php), it's time to
look ahead to future projects.
To that end I'm inviting you to contact me directly with suggestions for
resin kits. What car is it that you desire and others may desire as well?
I'm open to most eras and roads.
Send me your suggestions directly, please and we'll see what happens.
Cheers,

--
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com


Re: Looking for input for future projects

roblmclear <rob.mclear3@...>
 

Dare I ask for a Santa Fe Express Reefer, steel not wood.....

Rob Mclear
Australia.

--- In STMFC@..., Pierre Oliver <pierre.oliver@...> wrote:

Morning fellows,
Now that the Wabash stock car kits are being shipped,( see my blog for
that adventure, http://www.elgincarshops.com/mylayout.php), it's time to
look ahead to future projects.
To that end I'm inviting you to contact me directly with suggestions for
resin kits. What car is it that you desire and others may desire as well?
I'm open to most eras and roads.
Send me your suggestions directly, please and we'll see what happens.
Cheers,

--
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com


Re: Ambroid ACL phosphate car

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I don't have any photo to offer, but OTOH, some hopper cars were equipped
with dual braking systems on each truck, and only air lines (if that) would
have to extend the length of the car. Meaning air lines to coordinate the
two systems. Of course, the train line would have to extend full length.



SGL



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
rxensen
Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2012 12:41 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Ambroid ACL phosphate car





I decided to dig out an old wood kit and build it for old time sake.
It doesn't have the correct brake piping or rigging. Would anyone have a
picture of the prototype car, or maybe suggest some where to look for a
photo. with the long hoppers the brake rods must have been on the side. A
photo of any type with this type hopper bottom would probably be the way I
would go.
Ron Christensen


Re: Large off road dump bodies

Douglas Harding
 


Re: Intermountain offset side hopper at NST?

Scott Kremer
 

They had shots of the main parts. No assembled models. They did
announce the next batch of road names.

Scott Kremer

On Aug 5, 2012, at 6:58 PM, arrphoto wrote:

I've not seen any discussion, but did Intermountain show any samples
of their upcoming offset side 2-bay hoppers?

Curt Fortenberry