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Southern Milk Car 3932

gary laakso
 

There is a picture of this Milk car in Southern Railway Steam Trains, Vol 1 at page 13. It has the express trucks, no ice hatches and to the right the lettering features a large MILK lettering. The train is No. 135 with 16 cars in Lynchburg, VA in July, 1950 with a PS-4 on the point. Does anyone have some background on the origins of this car? It appears to be a re-build of some type with the sides exposing the under frame. Thanks in advance.

gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
vasa0vasa@...


Re: Bowser PRR GS gondola

pennsylvania1954
 

Tom--You will also find useful The Keystone Modeler, #4, Nov 03.

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL

--- In STMFC@..., "Hunter, James R." <jhunter@...> wrote:

Tom,
There was an article published in RMC in February of 2000 about
converting the Bowser GS intop a GSh. Many of the detail improvements
would apply to a straight GS. More details about the prototype can be
found in The Keystone for June of 1975.

Jim Hunter


Re: Bowser PRR GS gondola

brianleppert@att.net
 

Richard Hendrickson wrote a four page article about these cars in the April 1999 issue of Railmodel Journal.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV

--- In STMFC@..., "tomedill@..." <tomedill@...> wrote:

Does anyone have or know of an article to improve the detail on the Bowser Pennsy GS gon. I understand the hand brake location is wrong for 1950 period-anything else? Were they still numbered in the 860000 series in late 1940's? thanks, Tom Dill


Re: How to unload coal 1945

Dave Nelson
 

A shame we've lost Larry Jackman... I imagine he must have had jobs in
three, maybe four different states unloading coal with a shovel.. two or
three amusing stories per state!

Dave Nelson

-----Original Message-----
For anyone wanting to know how to unload a "car of coal" at a dealer, THIS
is the most usual way.

http://searcharchives.vancouver.ca/uploads/r/null/7/5/759260/2d140d1f-2c48-4
9ef-a6f9-384c3c885adb-A12259.jpg

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


Re: Sheet iron shipment

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Richard Townsend wrote:
I'm looking at a January 1923 freight bill (not a waybill) showing Denver's Mine & Smelter Supply Co. as shipper of "37 SHEET IRON SLW" that were shipped in a C&S GS gon #16954 to Cresson & Consolidated Mining Co. My question is, does any know what "SLW" might mean? Or what a "sheet iron slw" might be? They weighed 14,960 pounds (404.33 pounds each).
I have a copy of Uniform Freight Classification No. 8, 1966, and it contains no such item description. Of course that's 40 years later.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Bowser PRR GS gondola

naptownprr
 

Tom,
There was an article published in RMC in February of 2000 about converting the Bowser GS intop a GSh. Many of the detail improvements would apply to a straight GS. More details about the prototype can be found in The Keystone for June of 1975.

Jim Hunter


Quoting "tomedill@..." <tomedill@...>:

Does anyone have or know of an article to improve the detail on the
Bowser Pennsy GS gon. I understand the hand brake location is wrong
for 1950 period-anything else? Were they still numbered in the 860000
series in late 1940's? thanks, Tom Dill


Bowser PRR GS gondola

tomedill@frontier.com
 

Does anyone have or know of an article to improve the detail on the Bowser Pennsy GS gon. I understand the hand brake location is wrong for 1950 period-anything else? Were they still numbered in the 860000 series in late 1940's? thanks, Tom Dill


Re: Lettering Color of Phila Quartz Tank cars

Ed Hawkins
 

On Aug 3, 2012, at 1:35 PM, erict1361 wrote:

Would anyone know if Philadelphia Quartz tank cars lettered their
cars in different colors according to the contents? For example, cars
lettered " SOLUBLE SILICATES " seem to be in Yellow lettering and,
cars lettered for " SILICATE of SODA" are in White Lettering. Now mind
you I am going by HO models that I know of by various manufacturers, I
do not know of any Color photos of ACF Type 2 or 21 Phila. Quartz cars
that would confirm the actual lettering color, So I will admit " I am
just guessing here". Also I am not sure if there was a lettering color
change from the 1920's to the 1940's or 1950's that would also explain
the color difference.
Eric,
I don't know if this relates to your question, but I have compiled ACF
paint specs from original bills of materials for 5 lot numbers of PQX
or PQCX tank cars built from 1936 to 1941. All are 8,000 gallon ICC 203
and lettered Silicate of Soda.

Lot 1501, PQX 811-840, 5-36, top portion of tank & heads - "Koppers
Lumino" aluminum, rest black, black stencils over aluminum & aluminum
stencils over black
Lot 1603, PQCX 108-110, 1-37, same as 1501
Lot 1758, PQX 841-848, 8-37, entire car black, white stencils
Lot 1954, PQX 849-858, 11-39, entire car black, white stencils
Lot 2265, PQCX 111-112, 5-41, same as 1501/1603

Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Sheet iron shipment

Richard Townsend
 

I'm looking at a January 1923 freight bill (not a waybill) showing Denver's Mine & Smelter Supply Co. as shipper of "37 SHEET IRON SLW" that were shipped in a C&S GS gon #16954 to Cresson & Consolidated Mining Co. My question is, does any know what "SLW" might mean? Or what a "sheet iron slw" might be? They weighed 14,960 pounds (404.33 pounds each).


Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon


Re: Yellow Paint

Andy Sperandeo
 

Hello Armand,

For good airbrush coverage with yellow paint, use a light gray undercoat. I use Polly Scale's Undercoat Light Gray (who'd a thunk it?) under yellows and also under reds, even most "boxcar" shades. Overall this results in an opaque finish coat ("opaque" meaning no ground or undercoat color showing through) with fewer coats of paint applied to the model.

So long,

Andy


Re: Lettering Color of Phila Quartz Tank cars

Charles Hostetler <cesicjh@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "erict1361" <erict1361@...> wrote:


Would anyone know if Philadelphia Quartz tank cars lettered their cars in different colors according to the contents? For example, cars lettered " SOLUBLE SILICATES " seem to be in Yellow lettering and, cars lettered for " SILICATE of SODA" are in White Lettering...
Hi Eric,

Here's a B&W 1954 shot of PQX 807 w/ silicate of soda lettering:

http://cdm1819-01.cdmhost.com/cdm/singleitem/collection/p1819coll7/id/282/rec/8

Until your post I never questioned my initial impression that the lettering was yellow (zoom in and compare with the white of the card on the right side sill). Then I started looking at the chalk marks and now I'm wondering whether the lettering is yellow or just a faded weathered white.

For what its worth, sometime off in the future (ca. 1968) the scheme was yellow on black on PQX 811 and 843.

Regards,

Charles Hostetler


Re: StL RPM

Charlie Vlk
 

Chet-

Yes, and thank you for that. I am not sure that the car in the St.Louis PM
is the BLI car; when I saw the posting I looked at my artwork and the font
on the model seems to be a serif one and my artwork shows sans-serif IC
style lettering. The blowup of the photo is somewhat inconclusive as to
which is correct (and I've never seen an actual model so don't know how the
car came out of the factory).

Charlie Vlk

Railroad Model Resources




Who built this car?
http://www.pbase.com/golden1014/image/145089875

I really like what you have done here.

Jason >
Jason,

This car is, or was, offered by Broadway Limited. It is a six car
set, BLI 1617. I believe it was one of the models that belonged
to Ted Richardson.

The car was one of 700 that was leased, or purchased by the Illinois
Central from the N&W and renumbered 78000 - 78699. The cars were
on the IC circa 1944-47. Not sure of the disposition of the cars.
Perhaps they went back to the N&W.

I found a photo, which included one of the cars, taken right here
in Dixon in 1945. Had been looking for a photo of the cars for years.
Sent a scan to Charlie Vlk and it became a Broadway offering.

Chet French
Dixon, IL


Lettering Color of Phila Quartz Tank cars

erict1361 <erict1361@...>
 

Would anyone know if Philadelphia Quartz tank cars lettered their cars in different colors according to the contents? For example, cars lettered " SOLUBLE SILICATES " seem to be in Yellow lettering and, cars lettered for " SILICATE of SODA" are in White Lettering. Now mind you I am going by HO models that I know of by various manufacturers, I do not know of any Color photos of ACF Type 2 or 21 Phila. Quartz cars that would confirm the actual lettering color, So I will admit " I am just guessing here". Also I am not sure if there was a lettering color change from the 1920's to the 1940's or 1950's that would also explain the color difference.

If anyone has any information on the history of the Lettering color of these cars, I would appreciate it.

Thanks,

Eric Thur


Re: StL RPM

Chet
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Jason Greene" <jason.p.greene@...> wrote:

Who built this car?
http://www.pbase.com/golden1014/image/145089875

I really like what you have done here.

Jason >

Jason,

This car is, or was, offered by Broadway Limited. It is a six car
set, BLI 1617. I believe it was one of the models that belonged
to Ted Richardson.

The car was one of 700 that was leased, or purchased by the Illinois
Central from the N&W and renumbered 78000 - 78699. The cars were
on the IC circa 1944-47. Not sure of the disposition of the cars.
Perhaps they went back to the N&W.

I found a photo, which included one of the cars, taken right here
in Dixon in 1945. Had been looking for a photo of the cars for years.
Sent a scan to Charlie Vlk and it became a Broadway offering.

Chet French
Dixon, IL


Re: Yellow Paint

Tim O'Connor
 

Don

Accupaint made a primer for brass and resin -- it works better than straight AP on resin. I've also sprayed
AP over Scalecoat I primer (MofW gray) without problems.

T im O'

----- Original Message -----
From: "Don" <riverman_vt@...>

Haven't done much painting of late but always had decent results with Scalecoat I, not II, which I have not used nearly as much. Can't say how it works on resin models buy on styrene I still perfer Accupaint and wish George Bishop was still with us. George was always great to work with and I miss that with him. In any case my late friend Gordon Cannon also prefered Accupaint, at least on styrene, and almost always used a coat of Accupaint Erie - Lackawanna gray as a primer cost on everything he painted. Perhaps it might work for yiou on resin kits as well.

Cordially, Don Valentine


ADMIN: Commercial message from Don Valentine [ NERS ]

Mikebrock
 

Don Valentine sent the below advertising/selling message to the STMFC yesterday...Thursday...not within the advertising/selling period on the STMFC of Friday noon until Sat midnight, EST.

Note the STMFC rule:

"Messages regarding the selling of products associated with freight cars as
part of a commercial
enterprise must be sent during the period of noon Friday EST and Saturday
midnight EST.
Each seller is allowed one message unless a correction is needed. Seller
messages MUST include OFF GROUP addresses for replies. Replies by members to
seller messages MUST be OFF GROUP.

Pay particular attention to the last part...replies must be off group...replying on group is a sure fired way to Go Directly To Moderate Jail [ not a good idea ].

There must be something within this four sentence rule that is overly complex since some seem to have difficulty understanding it. I did take the precaution of testing the wording on an 8 yr old kid across the street and she replied..."What's to understand? And, what's a freight car"? The rules were sent to all members...again...on August 1, 2012 [ this year as I understand the calendar ]. If anyone does not understand the four sentence rule, please ask me for an explanation at STMFC-owner@...

From Don Valentine:

"Geeez, some of you guys make me wonder why anyone would ever
invest in advertising, though some of you may be newbies and
have missed it. The SSC #1000 1/2 Door Add-On Kit has been
around for ten or more years now and was well covered when
introduced. Walthers has handled it from the get-go but occasionally runs out of some item in the line. And let us not forget that Walthers is primarily a distributor. That means, for those of you who have forgotten, that they buy in bulk from OEMs.....and have minimum order requirements to meet when doing so. Sooooo, the fact that some of you may be of the
"instant gratification generation" makes no difference. You may simply have to wait until Walthers puts a distributor order together when they need enough in value to meet minimum order requirements. They do not know when they will be back in stock because they have not yet ordered them. The only time Walthers will give you an approximate arrival date is when the items are in fact on order for Walthers and they have some idea of when they will arrive.

Alternately, if you need enough of the 1/2 Door Add-On Kits to meet our $25 minimum retail order then order them that way at $5.95 each. That said a check in the amount of $34.75 sent to NERS at P.O. Box #1059, Leesburg, VA 20177 will bring you five (5) sets and cover the $5 shipping charge. Virginia residents need to add the proper sales tax as well.

If someone still does not understasnd what these parts are all about they can go to Walthers website at www.walthers.com, then go to the "browse by manufacturer" notation in the lefthand column, then
click on "N". go to #529, New England Rail, open that page and then go to page #2 of the "super detailing parts". At the bottom of the page you will see a photo of a sprue from the kit, two of which are found in each package.

That's the best I can do for you, Don Valentine"

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner...sigh...


Re: Yellow Paint

Donald B. Valentine
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Armand Premo" <armprem2@...> wrote:

Guys,Thanks for all the suggestions.I have another,yet to be built, resin reefer on the bench right now.I'll let you know how it turns out.

Haven't done much painting of late but always had decent results with Scalecoat I, not II, which I have not used nearly as much. Can't say how it works on resin models buy on styrene I still perfer Accupaint and wish George Bishop was still with us. George was always great to work with and I miss that with him. In any case my late friend Gordon Cannon also prefered Accupaint, at least on styrene, and almost always used a coat of Accupaint Erie - Lackawanna gray as a primer cost on everything he painted. Perhaps it might work for yiou on resin kits as well.

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: Santa Fe Express Reefers

Brian Ehni <behni@...>
 

Forwarded to the SANTAFE listserv. If you'd care to join, please visit
http://www.lsoft.com/scripts/wl.exe?SL1=SANTAFE&H=LISTSERV.UNL.EDU



Thanks!
--

Brian P. Ehni

From: roblmclear <rob.mclear3@...>
Reply-To: STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Date: Friday, August 3, 2012 3:58 AM
To: STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Santa Fe Express Reefers






Hi to all.

I hope this doesn't land me in moderator jail Mike, strictly speaking this
is not a freight car but it is used to carry freight on a passenger train so
I am hoping the judge will let me through.

I am in need of some information and hoping someone out there can help me, I
have searched my library and can't seem to find plans for the ATSF Express
Reefers, the sides are of wood or steel depending on the era but there is
nothing about the roof and what style it was. I am trying to scratchbuild
some of these using evergreen styrene wood and plastic siding. The one
thing I can't seem to get is plans of the underneath and roof. Also trying
to find the hardware for the reefer doors has proven to be a bit of a
problem as well. I need to locate the hinges and other hardware that I
need to model the door area. I am planing to make masters and mould the
cars from resin in HO scale. As I understand it these cars have never been
made in either plastic or resin or for that matter in Brass, which seems a
bit strange to me given the fact that it is Santa Fe and that there were a
lot of them.
Any help would be appreciated.

I have placed this on a number of groups so I apologise for the cross
posting in advance.

Regards
Rob McLear
Kingaroy Australia.









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Re: Yellow Paint

Armand Premo
 

Guys,Thanks for all the suggestions.I have another,yet to be built, resin reefer on the bench right now.I'll let you know how it turns out.Armand Premo

----- Original Message -----
From: roblmclear
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 4:55 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Yellow Paint



Armand

I have been custom painting models for others for some time now and got a solution to this problem by accident when I had to repaint my house would you believe. I was trying to cover some dark blue paint on the walls, no I didn't put it there, I had tried to cover it on a number of occassions but it still bled through. He suggested painting it silver first, I was sceptical but did it anyway, hey presto, no problem blue covered and the top coat was fine.

I have always had trouble with white and yellow on models as well and tried the silver trick on them as well. One thin coat of silver over the model and then paint with another thin coat of the yellow or white seems to do the trick for me. I use Floquil and thin the paint more than the manifacturer recommends. I get very good coverage of the yellow and whites with this method. Hope it helps.

Regards
Rob McLear
Kingaroy Australia.


Santa Fe Express Reefers

roblmclear <rob.mclear3@...>
 

Hi to all.

I hope this doesn't land me in moderator jail Mike, strictly speaking this is not a freight car but it is used to carry freight on a passenger train so I am hoping the judge will let me through.

I am in need of some information and hoping someone out there can help me, I have searched my library and can't seem to find plans for the ATSF Express Reefers, the sides are of wood or steel depending on the era but there is nothing about the roof and what style it was. I am trying to scratchbuild some of these using evergreen styrene wood and plastic siding. The one thing I can't seem to get is plans of the underneath and roof. Also trying to find the hardware for the reefer doors has proven to be a bit of a problem as well. I need to locate the hinges and other hardware that I need to model the door area. I am planing to make masters and mould the cars from resin in HO scale. As I understand it these cars have never been made in either plastic or resin or for that matter in Brass, which seems a bit strange to me given the fact that it is Santa Fe and that there were a lot of them.
Any help would be appreciated.

I have placed this on a number of groups so I apologise for the cross posting in advance.

Regards
Rob McLear
Kingaroy Australia.