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Re: Another means of adding chalk markings

Robert Allan
 

Thanks for the tip on these Charlie. Did you put any kind of protective coat on them afterwards? I've been concerned that they might react to that.

Bob Allan
Omaha, NE


Re: Pacific Fruit Express Data Boxes

Tony Thompson
 

Dick Harley wrote:

Those Repack stencil rectangles are also discussed in the SPH&TS book on painting & lettering SP and PFE freight cars (page 127).  The drawing for the stencil was issued in March 1938.  I have never noticed a stencil with data in both rectangles.  

     I don't have a photo of both rectangles in use, but I do have a photo of the lower rectangle in use (below). I don't know the photographer; my friend Clark Bauer sent me this photo.
     Note also that a clerk has tacked some cards in the same area!

Tony Thompson




Re: CMO boxcar 37640 with Duryea underframe

Ed Pavlovic
 

Nice modeling.

Is this for the same series of cars that Sunshine once offered a mini-kit for?

Ed Pavlovic


Re: EJ&E twin hoppers

Rich C
 

These cars were actually built as offset hoppers in 1953 series 41000-41699. Don't know when they were rebuilt to ribside twins.

Rich Christie

On Tuesday, December 1, 2020, 02:52:14 PM CST, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



I think they were built in 1940. No models in HO but you might be able to bash from a Stewart 3 bay or two.


On 11/30/2020 11:55 PM, Richard Townsend via groups.io wrote:
This photo, taken in Longmont, Colorado, has an EJ&E twin hopper in the background, adding more to the mentions of roaming hoppers:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Great-Western-Sugar-Co-Steam-Engine-0-4-0-T-Negative-Longmont-CO-1968/153919429158?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649
Can anyone provide some information on these hoppers? Who built them and when? Is there a model in HO that would at least approximate them? Is there a source of appropriate decals, assuming a suitable model could be found?

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Another means of adding chalk markings

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks Charlie, I've been looking for something as I havent been happy with the white pencils
Fenton

On Tue, Dec 1, 2020 at 5:45 PM Charlie Duckworth <omahaduck@...> wrote:
Mrs D asked me to go by Blicks Art Supply today and pick out some colorful pens for our grandkids. In the large assortment of colors there was a white.  I added it to the pile and after getting home I pulled out a couple freight cars to add a few extra markings.   The pen is made by Gelly Roll with the size being 5.  The marks are the opaque white ones you see below.
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.



--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Another means of adding chalk markings

Charlie Duckworth
 

Mrs D asked me to go by Blicks Art Supply today and pick out some colorful pens for our grandkids. In the large assortment of colors there was a white.  I added it to the pile and after getting home I pulled out a couple freight cars to add a few extra markings.   The pen is made by Gelly Roll with the size being 5.  The marks are the opaque white ones you see below.
--
Charlie Duckworth 
Omaha, Ne.


Re: Trainlife downloads was Car ID just for fun

Tim O'Connor
 


Sweet!! And these are NOT judge image files - the pages were read with OCR so you can search for any
word or phrase in the PDF to find exactly what you want!



On 12/1/2020 1:25 PM, Ed Shoben wrote:

Actually, using “ptm”, I was able to download all six issues of the 1989 Prototype Modeler.  Hope this helps.  -Ed

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--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: EJ&E twin hoppers

Tim O'Connor
 


I think they were built in 1940. No models in HO but you might be able to bash from a Stewart 3 bay or two.


On 11/30/2020 11:55 PM, Richard Townsend via groups.io wrote:
This photo, taken in Longmont, Colorado, has an EJ&E twin hopper in the background, adding more to the mentions of roaming hoppers:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Great-Western-Sugar-Co-Steam-Engine-0-4-0-T-Negative-Longmont-CO-1968/153919429158?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649
Can anyone provide some information on these hoppers? Who built them and when? Is there a model in HO that would at least approximate them? Is there a source of appropriate decals, assuming a suitable model could be found?

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Trainlife downloads was Car ID just for fun

Josh
 

With the subject of this thread, and the question asked in the root thread about downloading, I should probably provide some context.

TrainLife purchased the licensing from the copyright owners, which except in a few cases of the oldest of the old issues, are either still alive as individuals or still functioning as active registered companies even if they are no longer printing. The majority of these licenses did not allow distribution - only display. Hence, TrainLife does not allow the issues to be downloaded officially from their website.

Legally, your workaround shouldn't have any problems as long as said downloads are used for personal, private, non-distributive and non-commercial use. However, they cannot be uploaded or hosted to another site - and if that were to happen, say, if somebody were to create their own "backup" on this server or their own site after downloading the content from TrainLife using the url backdoor, it can run into some serious complaints if the owners/publishers find out, so please don't do that.


Re: TRAINLIFE site issues - used to be Car ID just for fun

Josh
 

The magazine archives are hosted on a different server from the main retail website and sometimes it disconnects. Usually the solution is to reset the server.

Due to the Black Friday/Cyber Week sales rush the company's four employees are rushing to ship orders in a timely manner so the magazine archive is low in priority.


Re: IC 50' double door single sheathed box car

Eric Lombard
 

Hi, All
The short history of IC 40250-40499:

1929[2]              Ordered from MTV.
1929[10?]  250  IC 162401-162650, BLT, Mt. Vernon, IL. 10-0 side door.
1933-34     249  IC 162401-162650 RBLT to 12-0 side door as IC 162401-162681 [sic].
1942          249  RENO IC 162401-162681 to IC 40250-40499.
1960(1)      125  IC 40250-40499, 24 with aux door sealed.
1960                   Begin converting some for wood chip service.
1963(7)        16  (33 in wood chip service).
1964(1)         ...  All remaining in wood chip service

Regards
Eric L

On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 3:43 PM Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...> wrote:
Might be something useful here: https://www.irm.org/gallery/IC40285  This looks to be the same class of car with the door opening expanded, but I have no idea when.

Dennis Storzek


Wood sheathing differential weathering reasons

Andy Carlson
 

My interest in lumber has led me to examine photos of single sheathed freight cars in a critical way. Unlike double sheathed cars, single sheathed cars usually did not have tongue & Groove edges while double sheathed not only had the T&G edges, they were commonly milled with a 'V' along the board's edge giving the characteristic finished look so attractive on both freight cars and passenger cars.

Logs milled into lumber start out as cylindrical and are sawn into flat panels where individual boards are sliced from. Depending on the location of this sawing relative to the circular ring pattern of the log, it will create different styles of finished lumber. Where the rings, as viewed from the board's edge, stand vertical that is called 'vertical grain' or quarter sawn. Boards with the ring grains running horizontally from side to side is called 'flat sawn'.

Understanding the reasons for the existence of tree rings in lumber is helpful in seeing the weathering differences found in ageing milled lumber. Each ring zone in a tree is from a single season of growth, particularly in temperate forests. The broader area is from spring growth and is the most rapid growth the trees will have in a season. This portion of wood growth is called "spring wood'. After this fast growth, the the slower growth of summer is much denser but also much slower in growth producing the dark ring which is called 'summer growth'. Summer growth is both denser and narrower and the denseness makes it the strongest portion of a log. The much faster growth of the spring wood is less dense and is therefore of less strength. The favorite lumber to mill into T&G was from old growth trees, where the darker forest from all of the neighboring trees blocking much of the light made for a lot of the year's tree growth to be somewhat minimal. This slower growth made for a much higher percentage of summer wood and any old carpenter will tell you that kind of lumber is the best, especially when quarter sawn into vertical grain wood.

Returning to the differences of flat and vertical grain sawed lumber; if the boards are cut from the flat grain area of a slab at the mill the face of the boards will have the characteristic look of ovals and wavy lines, which is what is seen of the rings as they are exposed to the cut lumber. Remember that the spring wood is less strong and that the face of the flat grain on a board will have that board exposed to the weather with the higher % of weaker wood. I like to call attention to wood fence posts. Commonly beveled at the top to reduce the pooling of standing water, accelerating rot, the tops of these boards clearly show the ring structure in the horizontal and circular view. After a few years, you will see that the areas within the rings will retreat downwards due to the softer spring wood's less resistance to rot. This same principle is at work on milled freight car siding. Since the commonly milling methods produce a mix of flat grain and vertical grain boards it was not uncommon for sheathing boards to also be a mix of mill cuts. Nowadays, many of the more premium boards are pulled out of the green chain to be sold at a premium due to their recognized better quality.

So a freshly sheathed SS car will usually have a mix of these boards and after a few years, the boards with faces of predominantly flat grain (spring wood) will decay noticeably faster. I have a sample photo of an older single sheathed car, a WP 40' box car in the 15001-16000 series.
Inline image

The difference between the boards with the paint intact vs. the boards with silvering weathering where the paint has flaked off is striking. The boards which are in between flat grain and vertical grain have ring patterns varying from within the two extremes and will have a variable amount of face spring wood and will show slower rotting of the flat grain wood but faster rot than the vertical grain boards.

Notice that these boards are truly aging, but the tightness of the boards to each other remains pretty good. No leaks from sand or wheat which will pour out.

In the history in this hobby of recreating freight cars in the form of models has shown the steady reduction of the very deep and wide grooves manufacturers used to delineate the individual boards. Some experiments have making the boards of different thicknesses, such as Tichy cars with boards that stand both outwards and inwards relative to each other. As shown in this closeup picture these boards do not show this kind of board differential at all.

As for how do we emulate the style visible in the photo for our miniatures? I am being more convinced that subtle groove lines coupled with differential painting is the way to more closely achieve this look. If I weren't so slow (lazy) I would be doing some painting experiments.

You all please stay safe and do well,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Re: Trainlife downloads was Car ID just for fun

Ed Shoben
 

Actually, using “ptm”, I was able to download all six issues of the 1989 Prototype Modeler.  Hope this helps.  -Ed


Re: Frisco “Sawtooth” boxcar photo

Bruce Smith
 

Folks,

Um, Pierre DOES make these 😉 I have used them on several recent builds including the 2020 SnT Bx-34. The set also includes brake step brackets and his really neat supports for the ends of the running boards as well


Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL




From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Marty McGuirk <mjmcguirk@...>
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 9:59 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Frisco “Sawtooth” boxcar photo
 
Thanks to all for the photos.
Good point about the running board brackets.
Of course I was focused on the somewhat unusual lateral support brackets. I think I might have to go with shim brass strips to get them to look right and have some structural strength.
Marty 


On Dec 1, 2020, at 9:48 AM, radiodial868 <radiodial57@...> wrote:

On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 07:00 PM, John Sanders wrote:

Here is a photo of one of the cars renumbered with a stores department stencil. The Frisco Lines coon skin emblem in this 1947 photo matches the 1940 lettering in the previous photograph. 

John Sanders

That is an excellent photo John. It highlights the 3-piece running board supports found on so many boxcars. Here in 2020 we are still using big square blobs on our models for supports. I wish I had the metal-etch chops that Pierre Oliver has.
-------------------
RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA


Re: Car ID just for fun

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Thanks, snagged the B&M Yankee Clipper articles out of that magazine.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Remiarz
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2020 12:54 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Car ID just for fun

 

This is the complete URL.

 

http://magazine.trainlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/mrr_199105.pdf

 

Rich Remiarz

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 10:13 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Car ID just for fun

 

Nor me.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of O Fenton Wells
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 10:44 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Car ID just for fun

 

It certainly is not working for me

fenton

 

On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 10:09 AM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Garth, it's the actual magazine pages that fail with an error code. Maybe it works for some people.
The world wide web is becoming increasingly fractured.

http://magazine.trainlife.com/ptm_1986_8/


On 11/28/2020 6:51 PM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford wrote:

Ed,

 

I just got in with no problem using this URL: https://www.trainlife.com/pages/the-magazine-library .

 

Yours Aye,

 

 

Garth Groff  🦆

 

On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 6:24 PM Ed Shoben <ejshoben@...> wrote:

I too found trainlife’s magazine section down. -Ed

 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


 

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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd

Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...

 


Re: RPC #35

RayThibaut@protonmail
 

Published by SilverLake Images,LLC
For more information, please write to:
Ron's Books
P.O. Box 714
Harrison, N.Y. 10528-0714
Email: ronsbooks@...
Phone Number: 914-967-7541
Internet : https://www.ronsbooks.com


Re: Sal G10 gons

golden1014
 

HI Brian,

I wrote that article all those years ago.  What can I help with???

Do you need some era or prototype-specific photos?

John Golden


Re: Car ID just for fun

Richard Remiarz
 

This is the complete URL.

 

http://magazine.trainlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/mrr_199105.pdf

 

Rich Remiarz

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 10:13 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Car ID just for fun

 

Nor me.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of O Fenton Wells
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 10:44 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Car ID just for fun

 

It certainly is not working for me

fenton

 

On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 10:09 AM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Garth, it's the actual magazine pages that fail with an error code. Maybe it works for some people.
The world wide web is becoming increasingly fractured.

http://magazine.trainlife.com/ptm_1986_8/


On 11/28/2020 6:51 PM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford wrote:

Ed,

 

I just got in with no problem using this URL: https://www.trainlife.com/pages/the-magazine-library .

 

Yours Aye,

 

 

Garth Groff  🦆

 

On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 6:24 PM Ed Shoben <ejshoben@...> wrote:

I too found trainlife’s magazine section down. -Ed

 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


 

--

Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd

Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...

 


Re: Trainlife downloads was Car ID just for fun

Richard Remiarz
 

I spent a good part of last night downloading various issues based on these URLs.  You can find all of the Railmodel Journals, 10 years of Model Railroading (1987-1996), but only a small number of Prototype Modelers (1984-1985).  Based on the format of the URL, I am guessing that these files were uploaded on August of 2017.  There is probably another location that contains other issues that were uploaded at a different time.  I have tried varying the 08 to different months with no luck.

 

Sincerely,

Rich Remiarz

Vadnais Heights, MN

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: John Monrad
Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2020 11:04 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Trainlife downloads was Car ID just for fun

 

If you know which issue of RMJ, MRding, or ProtoModeler you want to download, type in

http://magazine.trainlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/abc_yyyymm.pdf

where abc =
  rmj = Railmodel Journal
  mrr = Model Railroading
  prt = Prototype Modeler

and yyyymm is the month and year of the desired issue  For example,

http://magazine.trainlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/rmj_199007.pdf

will download the August 1990 issue of Railmodel Journal.

John Monrad

 


Re: Trainlife downloads was Car ID just for fun

John Monrad
 

If you know which issue of RMJ, MRding, or ProtoModeler you want to download, type in

http://magazine.trainlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/abc_yyyymm.pdf

where abc =
  rmj = Railmodel Journal
  mrr = Model Railroading
  prt = Prototype Modeler

and yyyymm is the month and year of the desired issue  For example,

http://magazine.trainlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/rmj_199007.pdf

will download the August 1990 issue of Railmodel Journal.

John Monrad

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