Red Caboose NP reefer kitbash


I asked about a year ago what could be done with those nicely painted Red Caboose NP Reefers yoiu find on eBay, and with y'alls input, here are the results from working on them now and then over the course of the year.

Roofs are narrowed down Central Valley Model Works. Underframes are from Tichy flatcars with added handbrake force multipliers per the prototype. Compromises?  Doors are not completely correct, as are the roof hatch icing platforms - but then again this wasn't meant to be a scratchbuild.  I spent waaayy too much time on these as it was.  Not sure about the end ladders on the rebuilds, but once again, ya got to have limits.  

In the photos you guys provided, one was of a cool truss-rod version (94000 series) with grabs in the Yellowstone scheme.  Down the rabbit hole I went on that, but duplicated it pretty close.

Since the CVMW roofs came in a 3 pack, I then decided to bash another in the plain post-Yellowstone scheme, using a PFE donor and Microscale decals.  Notice the difference between the NP fonts on the two!  Ugh.
Well, that's it.  What is interesting is that I could have built 9 resin kits in the same manhours it took to do these 3 kitbashes. 
RJ Dial

Mendocino, CA

Reissuing Sunshine Kits (Was: Cotton Belt dbl door boxcar)

Dan Sweeney Jr

Aw, c'mon Frank, don't tease us like this.  Why would anyone possibly be interested in a reissue of Sunshine kits?????!!!!

Re: Scheduled brake test that results in a brake test date stenciled on the brake cylinder

Thomas Birkett

Others may have Interchange Rule book closer to 1949, but the rules effective 1-1-53
Revised 1952 show the interval at 15 months.
Tom Birkett, Bartlesville, OK

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-------- Original message --------
From: David Turner <spsrwyfan@...>
Date: 10/28/20 10:01 AM (GMT-06:00)
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Scheduled brake test that results in a brake test date stenciled on the brake cylinder

What was the required brake test schedule that would result in a revised
brake test date being stenciled on the brake cylinder for a tank car
built in 1949?

Thank you for any assistance.

David Turner

Scheduled brake test that results in a brake test date stenciled on the brake cylinder

David Turner

What was the required brake test schedule that would result in a revised brake test date being stenciled on the brake cylinder for a tank car built in 1949?

Thank you for any assistance.

David Turner

Re: Cotton Belt dbl door boxcar

Frank Hodina

There was a Sunshine kit for that SSW autobox. Think it was released in 2007. Let me know if there's any interest in reissuing this car or the other USRA rebuilds that I did for Martin.

Frank Hodina
Byron, IL

Re: PBR Gondola

James Brewer

The Patapsco and Back River railroad served Bethlehem's Sparrows Point Mill in Baltimore, MD.

Jim Brewer

On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 7:16 PM Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:
Sorry sports fans. I forgot the attachment.


Re: Duryea cushion underframe

Gary Roe

George's craftsmanship never ceases to amaze me.

gary roe
quincy, illinois

On Wednesday, October 28, 2020, 06:32:35 AM CDT, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

George Toman shares his Duryea underframe installation in the latest Resin Car Works blog post.

Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy

Duryea cushion underframe

Eric Hansmann

George Toman shares his Duryea underframe installation in the latest Resin Car Works blog post.

Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy


Ken Adams

All Southern Pacific owned tank cars such as the 12,500 gal. O-50-13 class built in 1941, were classified as "O" type freight cars. The O stood for oil. In 1950 the SP had the 10th largest tank car fleet of 2068 tank cars but few found their way into interchange off the California SP and Texas and New Orleans lines. They were the largest Railroad owned fleet. They were dwarfed by the UTLX, GATX, SHPX fleets. In the first half of the 20th Century California, Oklahoma, Texas and Louisiana were the boom states for new oil production.  The next largest railroad owned fleet was the Ferrocarriles Nacionales de Mexico many of whose cars came from the SP and T&NO when the Mexican government purchased the SP lines in Mexico.
Ken Adams
Still in splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek

Re: Photos: PRR Ventilated Refrigerator Cars 608501 & 104109 (1915 & 1916)

Bill Welch

In about 1938-39 rebuilt about 100 of these into all-steel cars that looked very similar to a tall "X29". A few years earlier FGE ripped off the old superstructure and replaced w/a new one dimensionally similar to FGE's 1926 design with their familiar Hutchins roof.  Many of these were stenciled "FDEX" meaning the cars had permanent interior collapsable decking systems, one of two groups of wood sheathed cars so equipped. The third group were 50 all-steel reefers very similar to a PFE 40-10, ART's first steel reefer, and other initial steel reefers of the day.

Bill Welch

Re: Photos: PRR Ventilated Refrigerator Cars 608501 & 104109 (1915 & 1916)

Bill Parks

The PRR had around 3,000 of these cars, and they became FGEX reefers in the early 20s 
Bill Parks
Cumming, GA
Modelling the Seaboard Airline in Central Florida

PBR Gondola

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>

Sorry sports fans. I forgot the attachment.


P&BR Gondola (Was Union Railroad Gondola)

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>


Elden's comment about steel-related railroads prompted me to dig out this photo of Patapsco & Back Rivers gondola 127. It was from series 100-199, a 52' 6" mill gondola. The photo was taken at Philadelphia in 1949. In 1959, these were the only freight cars listed for the PBR in the ORER. This car was offered in the PK2 line, and for some reason I bought one. I think it was the first of their kits I assembled.

Most of the officers of the PBR are listed as being in Bethlehem, PA. Was the PBR a Bethlehem Steel railroad?

The coincidence of the reporting mark PBR also being the popular handle for an adult beverage was not lost on me.

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆


mel perry

just out of curiosity, this was the first
picture of such that i have seen in my
65 years of being in the hobby, and no
the "x" designation wasn't overlooked,
and yes there have been plausible
explanations posted, just curious as to
what the official description is and the
mel perry


Dennis Storzek

On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 01:18 PM, akerboomk wrote:
Was it early enough to be “pre-tank-car” ?
Why is everyone missing the fact that the two cars have "X" car numbers, which is a clear indication that they are in some sort of company service. Many RRs marked their work cars as to function, bunk car, tool car, this just follows the pattern. These cars may have sat at various terminals acting as storage sheds as well as transportation.

Dennis Storzek

Photos: PRR Ventilated Refrigerator Cars 608501 & 104109 (1915 & 1916)

Bob Chaparro

Photos: PRR Ventilated Refrigerator Cars 608501 & 104109 (1915 & 1916)

A photo from the Barriger Library collection of 608501:

Click on the photo to enlarge it.

AC&F builder's photo.

Use the arrows to see other similar cars on each side of this photo.

A photo from the Hagley Digital Archives of 104109:

Click on the photo to enlarge it.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA



Was it early enough to be “pre-tank-car” ?


Initially (IIUC) oil (crude/refined) was shipped in barrels.  Obviously, leakage would contaminate the interior for other loadings (such as grain).

So…Dedicated “Oil Car”?


Other possibility is whale oil/kerosene/lamp oils for shipment to stations or shops (for RR use) or “retail” stores, which would sell to consumers?


Or would that all be gone by 1900?

Ken Akerboom


Tim O'Connor

Most people simply don't understand the technology.

If you USE the internet for anything at all, there are hundreds of entities out there gathering information about you.
Sometimes (like China's ability to track nearly EVERYONE through their phones) it can be employed to help protect
everyone - but mostly that's not its real purpose.

The anti-trust action against Google (and perhaps Amazon and Facebook and Apple and others) is largely based
on their domination
(and syndication) of the market of all kinds of infrastructure as well as price fixing and other actions.
Many people think Amazon is a giant retailer but the truth is that they make vastly more PROFIT from internet services
(mostly to other businesses) than from any other business.

Some good protections - (1) avoid "smart phone" use [flip phones are safer] (2) surf ANONYMOUSLY - which means
(2a) use "incognito" or other modes that hide your identity and (2b) use a VPN - virtual private network - service. This
service encrypts EVERYTHING you do so that neither your ISP nor anyone else can see which web sites you visit --
the web sites themselves cannot tell who you are unless you LOG IN and tell them. Your VPN service can tell, but that
just means you should get a trustworthy VPN service. They do exist.

Yeah, Facebook knows I like trains (especially FREIGHT CARS), knows I'm a Democrat, and knows who my friends are.
Whoop de doo. Good luck getting any money from me from any of that. (Money is the primary purpose I alluded to above.)
They're welcome to sell the information to others since it won't do the buyers any good either.

Many people create fake name profiles using private (but not your personal) email accounts. Then the "trackers" can
only follow that fake person - who as long as you take the other precautions above, will not resemble the real you. I
have never gone this far - although I have yahoo & gmail & comcast profiles - but the idea has appeal. :-)

On 10/27/2020 1:19 PM, Schuyler Larrabee via wrote:

Complete agreement!




From: <> On Behalf Of Thomas Evans via
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 9:42 AM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] RGM


IMHO facebook is still as evil as ever!
Their sole purpose is harvesting your personal information to sell at a profit to whoever wants it with no known social responsibility.
If you're OK with that, go for it, but, as for me, I'd rather do without the information.
Luckily, you can still get into most facebook sites without being a member & harvest what you need,
but I understand that still opens you up to some extent to their data harvesting operations. (I'm not sure exactly how?)

Tom E.

Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


O Fenton Wells

Tony, I agree but it's the only way to keep up with the grandkids.  I hate the arrogance of the leadership of the company however,

On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 2:27 PM Tony Thompson <tony@...> wrote:
     I'm personally not enamored with FB, but more importantly, my wife, a computer professional, distrusts it mightily. If I were to want to join any FB groups. I would have to begin by having a "discussion" with my wife.

Tony Thompson

Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374

Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Union Railroad Gondola 7985 With Pole Load (1928)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD

I appreciate that, Tony!


In my research, I have noted the lack of good knowledge on the “steel” road cars, primarily USS-related, but also Beth Steel, J&L, and others.  I have eagerly awaited the treatise on the related roads, like EJ&E, URR of Pittsburgh, Lake Terminal, BS, McKeesport Connecting, and others, but expect it is not coming.  They were extremely interrelated, constantly trading, and continuously rebuilding various classes to make them more durable.  Therefore, extremely hard to track.


Nevertheless, I have seen these roads’ cars all over the country in photos, so folks should take note!  Here’s how unappreciated some of these cars were:


Lake Terminal







50’6” IL, 70-t, 3’IH, 1439 cuft Gondola

Photo of 2197 c. 60’s? shows black with white lettering and diamond logo; Geo. Elwood site

199 cars – 1/53; 169 cars – 1/64

McKeesport Connecting







50’6” IL, 70-t, 3’IH, 1439 cuft Gondola

Black, White Lettering

100 cars – 1/53; 100 cars – 1/64

Union RR

G-8 – 6000-6099

G-9 or GB-9 – 6100-6999 (also see 9000 series)


50’6” IL, 70-t, 3’IH, 1439 cuft Gondola

Partially obscured photo in Pitt digital collection shows “likely” either 6281 or 9281 (only last 3 digits visible) in black and white shows centered logo, “UNION” in right panel, and reporting to left.

An additional photo in my archive as “carrie66” shows #6045 in 1966

999 cars – 1/50; only 609 by 10/52; 0 in 7/57; 6000-6099 – 1937; 6100-6999 – 899 cars – built 1937


Elden Gatwood


From: <> On Behalf Of Tony Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 2:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Union Railroad Gondola 7985 With Pole Load (1928)


Elden Gatwood wrote:

No one currently makes a gondola model of this guy, but there is a nice F&C kit of the later 50’ URR gons unique to the “steel’ roads like URR, McKCon, Lake Terminal and others.  Everyone needs at least one of these guys.


    Exactly right! I happen to have that F&C kit on my workbench as I type.


Tony Thompson




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