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Re: Retainer Valves - HO Scale

Jon Miller
 

On 12/27/2019 8:52 AM, Peter Hall wrote:
does anyone know of a source for 0.015” brass wire?

Tichy?

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Re: Retainer Valves - HO Scale

Dennis Storzek
 

On Fri, Dec 27, 2019 at 08:52 AM, Peter Hall wrote:
Speaking of small parts for brake systems, does anyone know of a source for 0.015” brass wire?  I can’t find it from any of the usual sources.
 
Tichy has .015" phosphor bronze wire, which I happen to like better than brass because it's stiffer. Here is a link to their catalog page:
https://www.tichytraingroup.com/Shop/tabid/91/c/ho_wire/Default.aspx

Dennis Storzek

Re: Retainer Valves - HO Scale

Pierre Oliver
 

Pete

Des Plaines Hobbies carries an incredible array of wire and tubing products. I'll be shocked
if they don't have any. Another item that I have is small STEEL wire (music wire) - great for
applications where you want wire that does not bend (e.g. tank car handrails, brake rods, etc).
My local "Hobby Town" store sells it.

Tim O'



On 12/27/2019 11:52 AM, Peter Hall wrote:

Speaking of small parts for brake systems, does anyone know of a source for 0.015” brass wire?  I can’t find it from any of the usual sources.

Thanks
Pete


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: Retainer Valves - HO Scale

Tim O'Connor
 

Pete

Des Plaines Hobbies carries an incredible array of wire and tubing products. I'll be shocked
if they don't have any. Another item that I have is small STEEL wire (music wire) - great for
applications where you want wire that does not bend (e.g. tank car handrails, brake rods, etc).
My local "Hobby Town" store sells it.

Tim O'



On 12/27/2019 11:52 AM, Peter Hall wrote:
Speaking of small parts for brake systems, does anyone know of a source for 0.015” brass wire?  I can’t find it from any of the usual sources.

Thanks
Pete


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: micro coat flat

Jon Miller
 

On 12/26/2019 6:40 PM, Craig Zeni wrote:
bought mine from spruebrothers.com

    They list two types, matt and satin, no flat.  As these come from the EU what is the same as flat, matt?

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Re: Retainer Valves - HO Scale

Peter Hall
 

Speaking of small parts for brake systems, does anyone know of a source for 0.015” brass wire?  I can’t find it from any of the usual sources.

Thanks
Pete

On Dec 27, 2019, at 10:46 AM, Jack Burgess <jack@...> wrote:

I don’t see them on the sides of the log cars and it would be too easy to brake them off when the logs are rolled off. I’m guessing that they were on the inside of the end sill or side sill but I don’t see sign of the ends of the bolts/nuts which would have held them in place. 
 
Jack Burgess
 
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To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Retainer Valves - HO Scale
 
Jack,
 
They are usually on the side, near the B - end.
 
Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
 

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Retainer Valves - HO Scale
 
Speaking of retainer valves, where were they located on flat cars? The YV had several truss-rod flat cars and I don’t see retainer valves on either end. So maybe early flat cars didn’t have any. 
 
I also don’t see them on the YV log cars of which the YV had 175. One builder’s photo shows a retainer on the end sill on the B end but it is missing in later photos. A YV brakeman told me that they set some of the retainers on the downhill/loaded log trains but when I asked him years later where the retainer was located he couldn’t remember. 
 
Any ideas?
 
Jack Burgess


Re: Retainer Valves - HO Scale

Jack Burgess
 

I don’t see them on the sides of the log cars and it would be too easy to brake them off when the logs are rolled off. I’m guessing that they were on the inside of the end sill or side sill but I don’t see sign of the ends of the bolts/nuts which would have held them in place.

 

Jack Burgess

 

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To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Retainer Valves - HO Scale

 

Jack,

 

They are usually on the side, near the B - end.

 

Regards,

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL

 


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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Retainer Valves - HO Scale

 

Speaking of retainer valves, where were they located on flat cars? The YV had several truss-rod flat cars and I don’t see retainer valves on either end. So maybe early flat cars didn’t have any.

 

I also don’t see them on the YV log cars of which the YV had 175. One builder’s photo shows a retainer on the end sill on the B end but it is missing in later photos. A YV brakeman told me that they set some of the retainers on the downhill/loaded log trains but when I asked him years later where the retainer was located he couldn’t remember.

 

Any ideas?

 

Jack Burgess

Re: Classic Trains on CD

Tim O'Connor
 

Jim

My issue with Kalmbach is their proprietary images - If the images were good quality in
a PDF format, I would get the entire MR/Trains/Classic/etc and load them onto my hard drive.
CD-ROM itself is absolutely becoming a defunct technology. Kalmbach fears people sharing
the stuff but the truth is that if the price is reasonable and the files are HUGE then most
people would just pay to download the files. I would, anyway. I COULD scan them all but that
would take forever! And you're right, SHELF SPACE in a home is far too valuable (expensive)
for paper magazine storage - I have way over a hundred linear feet of train books and magazines
on shelves - they could ALL fit on a single hard disk drive. :-\

Tim O'Connor

On 12/27/2019 12:15 AM, np328 wrote:
     I am trying to continually downsize as I and my wife age, (I am only 63 and the wife just hit 50) I am even looking at the Classic Trains issues sitting on a shelf.  Now I see that the first 15 years of that rag are available on CD. https://kalmbachhobbystore.com/product/dvd/15112  The price is not too bad considering all in all if the photo quality is good.. Has any one the list ordered this?    Are you happy with your purchase regarding *** the photo reproduction quality?***  I would rather have to deal with space restraints regarding the models of the railroad cars we talk about here.
And upon my demise, I would rather have my wife dealing with a box of CD's rather than hundreds of pounds of paper. Jim Dick  - St. Paul
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*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*

Re: Retainer Valves - HO Scale

Bruce Smith
 

Jack,

They are usually on the side, near the B - end.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


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To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Retainer Valves - HO Scale
 

Speaking of retainer valves, where were they located on flat cars? The YV had several truss-rod flat cars and I don’t see retainer valves on either end. So maybe early flat cars didn’t have any.

 

I also don’t see them on the YV log cars of which the YV had 175. One builder’s photo shows a retainer on the end sill on the B end but it is missing in later photos. A YV brakeman told me that they set some of the retainers on the downhill/loaded log trains but when I asked him years later where the retainer was located he couldn’t remember.

 

Any ideas?

 

Jack Burgess

Re: Retainer Valves - HO Scale

Jack Burgess
 

Speaking of retainer valves, where were they located on flat cars? The YV had several truss-rod flat cars and I don’t see retainer valves on either end. So maybe early flat cars didn’t have any.

 

I also don’t see them on the YV log cars of which the YV had 175. One builder’s photo shows a retainer on the end sill on the B end but it is missing in later photos. A YV brakeman told me that they set some of the retainers on the downhill/loaded log trains but when I asked him years later where the retainer was located he couldn’t remember.

 

Any ideas?

 

Jack Burgess

Re: Retainer Valves - HO Scale

Tim O'Connor
 


Retainer valves were DEFINITELY part of the Detail Associates AB brake set, and it
was pre-cored for .008 wire. I have a small stash of parts from DA, Precision Scale,
and others.

The DA parts are exquisite and closer to scale than others. (Same as Grandt Line BTW.)

Some people continue to claim that DA parts are still in production, but I have yet
to see any evidence of that.

I have not checked but a retainer valve MAY be included in the beautiful AB set that
Terry Wegmann made for his Pacific Freight Enterprises reefer kit.

Tim O'


On 12/27/2019 7:07 AM, Bill Welch wrote:
I did a search of the group's archives using "prescision scale retainer valve" and after many messages regarding the sale of PSC there are several references to the part number from myself and Fention. Hint the last two digits are "96"

The Tichy retainer valve is a little blob. I would never disagree w/Jack Burgess but I just looked and I am positive that there is NO Retainer Valve part on the styrene portion of the Detail Associates (and Grandt Line) sprue or engineering plastic sprue. Out of production by GL for a few years now, grab all you can of either since they are identical as the styrene brake parts are some the best. Toss the engineering plastic sprue as it defies adhesives.

Bill Welch

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Re: Red Ball 65 foot mill gon kit - is there a prototype?

Tim O'Connor
 


Claus, there MAY be a prototype, but this car has 18 ribs and I have dozens of photos
of 17-rib and 19-rib 65 foot mill gondolas with fishbelly sides - but none with 18 ribs.

It's worth searching for a photo of one! I'd toss those ends though, and obviously the
floor/underframe need to be replaced.

Tim O'



On 12/26/2019 6:39 PM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) wrote:
Hi List Members,
 
I recently purchased a Red Ball kit. It is N scale - I did not even know that Red Ball made N scale stuff! It is a 65 foot mill gon kit, and the box end label incicates they made this in both HO and N scale.
 
An image of the kit can be seen at the link below...
 
 
Is there a prototype for this kit? I checked the list archives, and there was some minor discussion of this on this list back in 2005 (!), but nothing conclusive.
 
Thanks in advance.
 
Claus Schlund


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Re: Retainer Valves - HO Scale

Scott
 

Re: Retainer Valves - HO Scale

mel perry
 

they nought the ENTIRE business
:-)
mel petry

On Fri, Dec 27, 2019, 6:48 AM Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:
Suggest trying #31796 on eBay and see if Prangles comes up. They purchased PSC Detail Parts business. Sure hope they purchased the production side of it too.

Bill Welch

Re: Retainer Valves - HO Scale

Bill Welch
 

Suggest trying #31796 on eBay and see if Prangles comes up. They purchased PSC Detail Parts business. Sure hope they purchased the production side of it too.

Bill Welch

Re: Retainer Valves - HO Scale

Lester Breuer
 

Tichy on the #3013 spruce with no part number; however, across from the bell crank #22-3013 - inexpensive

Precision Scale in plastic #31796 about $ .84 each last time I ordered them, 4 per package
I do not know brass part number as do not use.

Another possible option is to cast your own.  Press the part you have into clay or silicone mold putty ( MicroMark is one source) to make cheap quick mold and fill with and J_B Weld ( epoxy).  Will take some time to dry.

Another possible option is to cast your own in rubber molds and resin.

Lester Breuer

Re: Retainer Valves - HO Scale

gtws00
 

The part # for the Precision Retainer is 31796.
I recently contacted them about how to now order since they were sold as my stock level is getting low. Below is the reply I received from Teresa at Precision
"We haven't been able to update the website yet to make it easier for ordering.  You can call in or email orders (509-528-9711  precisionscaleco@...). We accept Credit Card or Paypal but will also accept personal checks for the those who prefer that method of payment."

George Toman

Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Retainer Valves - HO Scale

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Gang;

As a desperate alternative (as I truly was), I took my collection of the better resin versions, glued them with white glue, to a styrene sheet, rimmed it with clay, and cast a rubber block of retainer valves, brake wheels, and whatnot. Every time I cast freight car parts, the leftover went into the new retainer/whatnot cast. Pour the resin in, squeegee off the excess: presto.

Elden Gatwood

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Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Retainer Valves - HO Scale

I did a search of the group's archives using "prescision scale retainer valve" and after many messages regarding the sale of PSC there are several references to the part number from myself and Fention. Hint the last two digits are "96"

The Tichy retainer valve is a little blob. I would never disagree w/Jack Burgess but I just looked and I am positive that there is NO Retainer Valve part on the styrene portion of the Detail Associates (and Grandt Line) sprue or engineering plastic sprue. Out of production by GL for a few years now, grab all you can of either since they are identical as the styrene brake parts are some the best. Toss the engineering plastic sprue as it defies adhesives.

Bill Welch

Re: Retainer Valves - HO Scale

Bill Welch
 

I did a search of the group's archives using "prescision scale retainer valve" and after many messages regarding the sale of PSC there are several references to the part number from myself and Fention. Hint the last two digits are "96"

The Tichy retainer valve is a little blob. I would never disagree w/Jack Burgess but I just looked and I am positive that there is NO Retainer Valve part on the styrene portion of the Detail Associates (and Grandt Line) sprue or engineering plastic sprue. Out of production by GL for a few years now, grab all you can of either since they are identical as the styrene brake parts are some the best. Toss the engineering plastic sprue as it defies adhesives.

Bill Welch

Re: Red Ball 65 foot mill gon kit - is there a prototype?

Donald B. Valentine
 

    I don't have one here to compare it with, Claus, but this kit looks to be quite similar to the former E&B Valley
kit that ultimately became part of the Eastern Car Works line. The tooling for E & B VCalley was largely done by
the Mercorelli (sp?) Bros. Patal Engraving Co. of New Jersey. My lare father, who spent the rest of his life in the
machine tool business after selling the family farm, thought much of it was rather crude. Can't comment much on
the Red Ball line but the little I've seen of it left the same impression, which is why I haven't seen much of it.

Cordially, Don Valentine