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Re: Retainer Valves - HO Scale

Nelson Moyer
 

Precision Scale in plastic. Traveling, so don’t have part number now.

Nelson Moyer

On Dec 26, 2019, at 8:32 PM, Bob Chapman <chapbob611@...> wrote:

I'm sadly about to exhaust my stash of extra retainer valves supplied with Sunshine Models kits.

Any good HO scale aftermarket part favorites?

A Google search brought up retainers available from Shapeways by Kadwell Manufacturing. Are these prototype-model quality? 

Thanks!
Bob Chapman

Re: Retainer Valves - HO Scale

Mansell Peter Hambly
 

Precision Scale sells both brass and  plastic. I can not recall the part numbers however.

 

Mansell Peter Hambly   

COQUITLAM, B.C.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Jack Burgess
Sent: December 26, 2019 8:56 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Retainer Valves - HO Scale

 

Every sprue of air brake parts from Tichy and Grandt Line includes a retainer valve. But I don’t know of any source of just retainer valves…

 

Jack Burgess

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Chapman
Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 8:32 PM
To: STMFC
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Retainer Valves - HO Scale

 

I'm sadly about to exhaust my stash of extra retainer valves supplied with Sunshine Models kits.

 

Any good HO scale aftermarket part favorites?

 

A Google search brought up retainers available from Shapeways by Kadwell Manufacturing. Are these prototype-model quality? 

 

Thanks!

Bob Chapman

 

Classic Trains on CD

np328
 

     I am trying to continually downsize as I and my wife age, (I am only 63 and the wife just hit 50) I am even looking at the Classic Trains issues sitting on a shelf.  Now I see that the first 15 years of that rag are available on CD.   https://kalmbachhobbystore.com/product/dvd/15112   The price is not too bad considering all in all if the photo quality is good.. Has any one the list ordered this?    Are you happy with your purchase regarding *** the photo reproduction quality?***  I would rather have to deal with space restraints regarding the models of the railroad cars we talk about here.
And upon my demise, I would rather have my wife dealing with a box of CD's rather than hundreds of pounds of paper.    Jim Dick  - St. Paul 
  

Re: Retainer Valves - HO Scale

Jack Burgess
 

Every sprue of air brake parts from Tichy and Grandt Line includes a retainer valve. But I don’t know of any source of just retainer valves…

 

Jack Burgess

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Chapman
Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 8:32 PM
To: STMFC
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Retainer Valves - HO Scale

 

I'm sadly about to exhaust my stash of extra retainer valves supplied with Sunshine Models kits.

 

Any good HO scale aftermarket part favorites?

 

A Google search brought up retainers available from Shapeways by Kadwell Manufacturing. Are these prototype-model quality? 

 

Thanks!

Bob Chapman

Retainer Valves - HO Scale

Bob Chapman
 

I'm sadly about to exhaust my stash of extra retainer valves supplied with Sunshine Models kits.

Any good HO scale aftermarket part favorites?

A Google search brought up retainers available from Shapeways by Kadwell Manufacturing. Are these prototype-model quality? 

Thanks!
Bob Chapman

Re: micro coat flat

Craig Zeni
 

On Dec 26, 2019, at 6:16 PM, main@RealSTMFC.groups.io wrote:

6a. micro coat flat
From: Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2019 18:16:01 EST

I need some new "micro coat flat" but see it's a different item now. Appears to be water based. I read some reviews that said it dried glossy. The old stuff dried really flat. Any comments on the new? Is it easy to air brush?

--
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax Chief/Zephyr systems,
SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS
I've been using a flat finish from a Polish company called Hataka. It's thinned with lacquer thinner, comes in a small squeeze bottle with a dropper dip and a metal agitation ball in the bottle. Dries very flat. Have seen it on Ebay, bought mine from spruebrothers.com .

Craig Zeni
Cary NC

Re: micro coat flat

Jon Miller
 

On 12/26/2019 4:17 PM, Bill Welch wrote:
I have used it for over 20 years and it has always been water based

    I don't agree with that.  Have Micro Coat Flat right in front of me.  Just smelled it.  It's an oil base paint.  It's been a while so I don't remember what I thinned it with.

    The new stuff says water or alcohol.  What I'm worried about is how flat is the new stuff.  Also read reviews (just some) that said it dried glossy which I'm worried about.  Will get some and just try it I guess.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, 
SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

Re: micro coat flat

Bill Welch
 

If you are speaking of Microscale's "micro coat flat," I have used it for over 20 years and it has always been water based. It is flat but thankfully not as flat as things like Dull Coat. Is the Microscale product what you are referring to Jon?

Bill Welch

Red Ball 65 foot mill gon kit - is there a prototype?

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
I recently purchased a Red Ball kit. It is N scale - I did not even know that Red Ball made N scale stuff! It is a 65 foot mill gon kit, and the box end label incicates they made this in both HO and N scale.
 
An image of the kit can be seen at the link below...
 
 
Is there a prototype for this kit? I checked the list archives, and there was some minor discussion of this on this list back in 2005 (!), but nothing conclusive.
 
Thanks in advance.
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 
 
 

micro coat flat

Jon Miller
 

    I need some new "micro coat flat" but see it's a different item now.  Appears to be water based.  I read some reviews that said it dried glossy.  The old stuff dried really flat.  Any comments on the new?  Is it easy to air brush?

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, 
SPROG, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

Re: Photo: UP Livestock Cars

Ken Adams
 

On the NMRA PCR group Bob cited a layout that had cow sounds.  But a full stockyard as in the photo's might be deafening....plus the bleating of the sheep.....not to mention the distinct aromas...

Re: SN Boxcar 2150

Eric Lombard
 

Garth and All,
Here is a finer grain look at the origin according to counts in the ORER 
of WP 316001-318500 (1938) and SN 2301-2328 (1947). 

WP 316001-318500 
1936[1]            1/1/1936, original deadline for prohibited interchange of
                        cars with arch bar trucks. Ultimately extended to 7/1/1940.
1938(4)     ...    Not listed on ORER.
1938                RENO out of 16001-16800; 16801-18300; 18301-18500.
                        These are cars from these series that retain original
                        arch bar trucks. Note in ORER. Not for interchange.
1938(7)   108  ORER denotes Addition.
1939(1)   237  [sic] typo in ORER for 137?
1939(7)   147
1940(4)   151
1940[7]           7/1/1940 final date on which archbar trucks no longer
                       accepted at interchange.
1941(1)   152
1942(4)   146
1943(7)   141
1944(7)   133
1946(10) 127
1947[3]            28 sold to SN,  AFE 3-47. RENO to SN 2301-2328.
1947(7)     92
1948(4)     64
1948(7)     61


On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 3:32 PM Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:
Bob,

SN 2319 was one of the ex-WP steel-end cars from series that came to the SN in 1947/48. Most, if not all, appear to have come from WP series 316001-318500, and were 16001-18500 boxcars that were not converted to Andrews trucks as the ban on archbars neared (the series does not appear in the 1940 ORER I have, but is my next one from 1943). They were not allowed in interchange except with WP's wholly-owned subsidiaries, Sacramento Northern and Tidewater Southern. Strangely, most of the ex-WP cars sent to the SN I have been able to identify were actually the retreaded ventilators rebuilt circa 1929 as plain boxcars with added steel ends. On the SN they were renumbered 2301-2328, as I noted in the earlier post. The sale to the SN is covered by AFE 3-47, dated 5/7/48, which does not mean much, and on the WP/SN was often just a paperwork filing date. I see no AFE covering the conversion of these cars to AB brakes, which could mean that had already been done by the WP, or it could mean that the AFE was lost by the time the list was compiled (there are many gaps in my list).

SN 2129-2153 (less three cars that were lost earlier) were retired on AFE 1-47, dated 12/31/47, which was a common date for WP/SN bookkeeping. The were unretired on AFE 10-48 dated 10/9/48, had AB brakes installed and were returned to service as 2329-2350.

AFAIK, conversion of archbar trucks to Andrews did not start until 1954, unless there are missing AFEs. My list ends in 1957, and nothing about truck replacements is specifically mentioned. Many cars later photographed on Andrews trucks were last reweighed in 1954. No such cars on the SN were ever converted to so-called Bettendorf trucks, and I have seen no evidence that any on the WP were either.

Yours Aye,

Mungo Napier, Laird of Mallard Lodge  🦆


On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 11:22 AM Bob Webber <rgz17@...> wrote:
Possibly Oakland......  Not sure if these were the series mentioned...

At 07:14 AM 12/25/2019, you wrote:
These cars served in original condition on the reorganized Sacramento Northern Railway until circa 1948 when the surviving 22 were retired. They still rolled on arch bar trucks and had K-brakes. They were replaced by 28 similar boxcars with steel ends from the WP, renumbered SN 2301-2328 (see below).

Photo: UP Livestock Cars

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: UP Livestock Cars

A photo from Don Strack's Utah Rails website:

https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Ogden-Union-Stock-Yards/Ogden-Union-Stockyards-Photos/i-xc8M6df/A

In addition, there are dozens of really great photos of the Ogden Union Stock Yards from Don Strack's Utah Rails website:

https://donstrack.smugmug.com/UtahRails/Ogden-Union-Stock-Yards/Ogden-Union-Stockyards-Photos/

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: 1930s Runbys of freight trains

Richard McQuade
 

Great find! So much to see from "back in the day"!
Richard

Re: 1930s Runbys of freight trains

Matt Goodman
 

A delightful film. I found the activity at the St. Paul station very enlightening. Thanks for posting the link, Gary.

Matt Goodman
Columbus, Ohio, US

On Dec 25, 2019, at 7:48 PM, gary laakso <vasa0vasa@...> wrote:

This is a wonderful, fast paced vid on Midwest steam and streamliners in the 1930s with a couple of Runbys of freight trains from the cab of the Zephyr:
 
 
Gary Laakso
Northwest of Mike Brock

Re: D&RGW 68038 12 panel 40' box car

Tom Madden
 

The current issue of the Rio Grande' Society's THE PROSPECTOR magazine has an extensive article on these cars.

Tom Madden

Re: ATSF Boxcar 274525

Paul Doggett
 

Lester 

That was a good find and you have made a great job of it as well.

Paul Doggett.   England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 26 Dec 2019, at 14:22, Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote:

I have finished  build and upgrade of a plastic kit, an ATSF class Bx-48 twelve side panel steel boxcar numbered 274525.  It is the first car I used the relatively new Kadee Morton running boards on.  If you are interested, photos and writeup of the build including paint and weathering are now available on my blog I have to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.   If you would like to take a look please do at the following link:

http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/

Lester Breuer

Re: D&RGW 68038 12 panel 40' box car

Mark Hemphill
 

Pierre Oliver is working on an HO scale resin model of the D&RGW PSC 40' box car for release in first-half 2020. Sunshine did a resin kit years ago; one or two appear on eBay once a year and go for $150 plus. I was able to help this, a little, by finding PSC blueprints and about 50 photos to Pierre. Jim Eager also put a lot of assistance into the research.

Pierre hasn't produced anything except superb kits so I'm pretty excited about seeing them. If you're a D&RGW modeler of any year from 1939 to the 1980s, you have to have these; they're the definitive Rio Grande 40' box car and not readily adapted from other models. 

Mark Hemphill

ATSF Boxcar 274525

Lester Breuer
 

I have finished  build and upgrade of a plastic kit, an ATSF class Bx-48 twelve side panel steel boxcar numbered 274525.  It is the first car I used the relatively new Kadee Morton running boards on.  If you are interested, photos and writeup of the build including paint and weathering are now available on my blog I have to share photos and writeup of modeling projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company.   If you would like to take a look please do at the following link:

http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/

Lester Breuer

Re: D&RGW 68038 12 panel 40' box car

gary laakso
 

Many pictures of these cars in the Railway Prototype Cyclopedia combined volumes 31 and 32.

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2019 4:29 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] D&RGW 68038 12 panel 40' box car

 

Andy and friends,

 

Attached is a shot of D&RGW AX68032, probably at Glenwood Springs circa 2000 (yes it's fuzzy, but it was shot from the moving California Zephyr). This car was originally in the same class as your photo, except it is one of the famous "Cookie Box" conversions. As built, there were five blocks of these D&RGW 12-panel cars, all with the full side sills, 10' 4" IH, and Duryea underframes (all from Pressed Steel Car Co.): 

 

68000-68399 delivered in 1939 with 4/5 ends, Youngstown doors, 7-rung ladders and wood running boards

 

68400-68899 delivered in 1940 with 4/5 ends, Youngstown doors, 7-rung ladders and various steel running boards

 

68900-69399 delivered in 1941 with 4/5 ends, Youngstown doors, 7-rung ladders and various steel running boards

 

69400-69899 delivered in 1942 with 4/5 ends, Superior 7-panel doors, 7-rung ladders and various steel running boards

 

67500-67999 delivered in 1946 with 4/4 ends, a mix of Youngstown or Superior doors, 8-rung ladders, ASF A3 trucks

 

The "Cookie Boxes" numbered 60000-60076 were heavily insulated conversions drawn from various groups of the above cars rebuilt in three lots, 1954-55, 1959 and 1961. Our group of particular interest as steam-era cars is 60000-60036, the 1954-1955 group which were drawn at random from the first four blocks cited above (four cars from the 1946 group with the 8-rung ladders and 4-4 ends were from the 1959 or 1961 conversions, so don't go there). These cars were loaded at the Keebler bakery in Denver, and sent to distribution centers throughout the west, though I've read this was principally to Salt Lake City. More research needed here by those who care! AFAIK, there never were wood-sided "Cookie Boxes" as Silver Streak would have had us believe.

 

Most of the above information comes from Jim Eager's RIO GRANDE COLOR GUIDE TO FREIGHT AND PASSENGER EQUIPMENT (Morning Sun, 1996). There was an article chiefly on the D&RGW cars, plus photos of other 12-panel boxcars, in an issue of MODEL RAILROADING (no date or author on the pages--my copy is clipped from the magazine). This was followed on the same issue by Bill Wright's kitbash article using cut-down 50' sides from a Pacific HO/Walthers car, mixed with a roof and modified ends from an Athearn 40' boxcar. Not up to modern standards, but perhaps useful background information. I made my car using a C&BT Shops 10' 6" model with a scratch-built Duryea underframe (what's 2" among friends?).

 

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆

 

 

On Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 4:56 PM Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:

I found some pictures today which added to my understandings of the D&RGW fleet of 12 panel riveted steel box cars. A class in the 68xxx series were built pre-war and had inside height of 10'4" and had 4/5 Dreadnaught ends with above average spacing between the top rib and the end top. Enclosed is a RRPHOTOGS scan of DRGW #68038 with a build date of 9-39 (?) and reweigh date of 5-54. Still has its pre-war Youngstown door and rectangular panel roof. Like the later Rio Grande 12 panels, this car also has a full length side sill. Was this a RG added feature as not many 1939 era box cars seem to have straight side sills?

-Andy Carlson   Ojai CA