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CB&Q "Bomber Boxcar"

Andy Carlson
 

Maybe it is still there--20 years ago I was in Scotts Bluff NE. and adjacent to a small rail yard, a grain mill had an on-site storage structure which was a surviving CB&Q extended height box car still in Q paint. I seem to remember that it had evidence of being active into the 60's but I failed to take any pictures.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Sunday, March 15, 2020, 6:02:47 PM PDT, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:


The Burlington Bulletin on the extended roof XA-14D cars states that some served out they’re life without conversion to original height. I’m traveling, so I can’t access my source until next week.

Nelson Moyer

On Mar 15, 2020, at 4:31 PM, al_brown03 <abrown@...> wrote:

I know of two sources on these:
Culotta, "Freight Cars Reference Manual", v 1, p 192
Masterson, Wagner, and Hoffman, RP CYC 12, pp 46-87 (see especially pp 78-83)

CB&Q class XA-14D (100 cars, 46650-46749) were built in the company shops in 1937-38. After Pearl Harbor, 60 of this class were rebuilt with 26" roof extensions, to carry wings and other parts for B-26 and B-29 bombers. The modified XA-14Ds were converted back to their original height during 1946. The Masterson article has two photos of CB&Q 46741 with its extended roof, and Culotta has a 1963 photo of the same car at its original height.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Drawings for Mather Patent boxcars

Bud Rindfleisch
 

Hello, 
    Anyone know of existing drawings for the Mather 40' single sheathed boxcars? Mainline Modeler perhaps?
       Thanks in advance,
        Bud Rindfleisch


Re: Model: CB&Q "Bomber Boxcar"

Nelson Moyer
 

The Burlington Bulletin on the extended roof XA-14D cars states that some served out they’re life without conversion to original height. I’m traveling, so I can’t access my source until next week.

Nelson Moyer

On Mar 15, 2020, at 4:31 PM, al_brown03 <abrown@...> wrote:

I know of two sources on these:
Culotta, "Freight Cars Reference Manual", v 1, p 192
Masterson, Wagner, and Hoffman, RP CYC 12, pp 46-87 (see especially pp 78-83)

CB&Q class XA-14D (100 cars, 46650-46749) were built in the company shops in 1937-38. After Pearl Harbor, 60 of this class were rebuilt with 26" roof extensions, to carry wings and other parts for B-26 and B-29 bombers. The modified XA-14Ds were converted back to their original height during 1946. The Masterson article has two photos of CB&Q 46741 with its extended roof, and Culotta has a 1963 photo of the same car at its original height.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: AHM roof

Jack Mullen
 

The AHM roof does resemble a the flat-panel version of SRECO's steel roof.  But the seam caps should extend to the edge of the roof.  

Jack Mullen


Re: RPM updates

mel perry
 



On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 5:24 PM Mel Perry <clipper841@...> wrote:
not to rain on anyoes parade, but consider what the chinese had to do,
one they figured out what they were
dealing with, quarentined a city.of
millions, quarentined half a province,
daily mandatory randon screening,
and  by some trump miracle, all if this
is not going to transpire, according to
the exalted one, this is going to get lot
worse, before long, we don't even have
enough test kits for the actual sick,
this is not going to disappear overnight
or in weeks, don't be surprised when
it does get worse, and definitely don't
make any plans for this year, mandatory
quatentine is just around the corner
mel perry

On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 5:11 PM Dave Owens <daowens@...> wrote:
In response to Tim's question,
NERPM is still on for now.
We are carefully following developments and will of course follow the
advice of health and government officials.
Our meet is at the end of May and the situation may change.
You can get the latest updates on our facebook page and our website:
www.nerpm.org
www.facebook.com/NERPM

Dave Owens
NERPM organizer
West Hartford, Conn.

On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 7:18 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
>
>
> What about nerpm?
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: eric@...
> To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
> Sent: 2020-03-15 7:15:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] RPM updates
>
> A saw a post on Facebook earlier that the Savannah RPM has cancelled.
>
> Eric Hansmann
> Murfreesboro, TN
>
> On Mar 15, 2020, at 5:49 PM, G.J. Irwin <groups@...> wrote:
>
> In case anyone missed the Special Notice posted here, the Toronto RPM has in fact been postponed.
>
> George Irwin
>
>
>
>
> --
> Tim O'Connor
> Sterling, Massachusetts
>




Re: RPM updates

mel perry
 

not to rain on anyoes parade, but consider what the chinese had to do,
one they figured out what they were
dealing with, quarentined a city.of
millions, quarentined half a province,
daily mandatory randon screening,
and  by some trump miracle, all if this
is not going to transpire, according to
the exalted one, this is going to get lot
worse, before long, we don't even have
enough test kits for the actual sick,
this is not going to disappear overnight
or in weeks, don't be surprised when
it does get worse, and definitely don't
make any plans for this year, mandatory
quatentine is just around the corner
mel perry

On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 5:11 PM Dave Owens <daowens@...> wrote:
In response to Tim's question,
NERPM is still on for now.
We are carefully following developments and will of course follow the
advice of health and government officials.
Our meet is at the end of May and the situation may change.
You can get the latest updates on our facebook page and our website:
www.nerpm.org
www.facebook.com/NERPM

Dave Owens
NERPM organizer
West Hartford, Conn.

On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 7:18 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
>
>
> What about nerpm?
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: eric@...
> To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
> Sent: 2020-03-15 7:15:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] RPM updates
>
> A saw a post on Facebook earlier that the Savannah RPM has cancelled.
>
> Eric Hansmann
> Murfreesboro, TN
>
> On Mar 15, 2020, at 5:49 PM, G.J. Irwin <groups@...> wrote:
>
> In case anyone missed the Special Notice posted here, the Toronto RPM has in fact been postponed.
>
> George Irwin
>
>
>
>
> --
> Tim O'Connor
> Sterling, Massachusetts
>




Re: RPM updates

Eric Hansmann
 

NERPM is still a go.

I just saw a Facebook post announcing the Western Prototype Modelers meet has been postponed.

I've been updated the RPM event calendar as these details are announced.



Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN


On March 15, 2020 at 5:18 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


What about nerpm?




-----Original Message-----

From: eric@...
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Sent: 2020-03-15 7:15:41 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] RPM updates

A saw a post on Facebook earlier that the Savannah RPM has cancelled. 

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Mar 15, 2020, at 5:49 PM, G.J. Irwin < groups@...> wrote:

In case anyone missed the Special Notice posted here, the Toronto RPM has in fact been postponed.

George Irwin



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

 


Re: RPM updates

Dave Owens
 

In response to Tim's question,
NERPM is still on for now.
We are carefully following developments and will of course follow the
advice of health and government officials.
Our meet is at the end of May and the situation may change.
You can get the latest updates on our facebook page and our website:
www.nerpm.org
www.facebook.com/NERPM

Dave Owens
NERPM organizer
West Hartford, Conn.

On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 7:18 PM Tim O'Connor <@timboconnor> wrote:


What about nerpm?




-----Original Message-----

From: eric@...
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Sent: 2020-03-15 7:15:41 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] RPM updates

A saw a post on Facebook earlier that the Savannah RPM has cancelled.

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Mar 15, 2020, at 5:49 PM, G.J. Irwin <groups@...> wrote:

In case anyone missed the Special Notice posted here, the Toronto RPM has in fact been postponed.

George Irwin




--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


AHM roof

Andy Carlson
 

To me that looks like an early Stanray steel roof before the raised panels. I had a need for a few of those 20+ years ago and I believe I used a Train Miniature donor. Look at the seam caps--look like a Murphy raised panel roof seam.
-Andy Carlson

On Sunday, March 15, 2020, 4:17:39 PM PDT, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



Clark I think there were some flat panel steel roofs with seam caps like that. CP or CN perhaps?



-----Original Message-----

From: cepropst@q.com
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: 2020-03-15 12:36:38 PM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] AHM roof

I over paid ($4) for an AHM 40', DS, DD box car thinking I needed it for a upcoming project. That project didn't materialize as I envisioned. What to do with the model? I took it out of the box and gave it a good look-see. The roof looked like something I'd seen before, so I cut it off. Is this roof usable? If so, what box cars had it?

All comments are appreciated...Well, all favorable comments anyway...
CW Propst

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Re: RPM updates

Tim O'Connor
 


What about nerpm?




-----Original Message-----

From: eric@...
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Sent: 2020-03-15 7:15:41 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] RPM updates

A saw a post on Facebook earlier that the Savannah RPM has cancelled. 

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Mar 15, 2020, at 5:49 PM, G.J. Irwin <groups@...> wrote:

In case anyone missed the Special Notice posted here, the Toronto RPM has in fact been postponed.

George Irwin



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: AHM roof

Tim O'Connor
 


Clark I think there were some flat panel steel roofs with seam caps like that. CP or CN perhaps?



-----Original Message-----

From: cepropst@q.com
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Sent: 2020-03-15 12:36:38 PM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] AHM roof

I over paid ($4) for an AHM 40', DS, DD box car thinking I needed it for a upcoming project. That project didn't materialize as I envisioned. What to do with the model? I took it out of the box and gave it a good look-see. The roof looked like something I'd seen before, so I cut it off. Is this roof usable? If so, what box cars had it?

All comments are appreciated...Well, all favorable comments anyway...
CW Propst

Attachments:




--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: RPM updates

Eric Hansmann
 

A saw a post on Facebook earlier that the Savannah RPM has cancelled. 

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Mar 15, 2020, at 5:49 PM, G.J. Irwin <groups@...> wrote:

In case anyone missed the Special Notice posted here, the Toronto RPM has in fact been postponed.

George Irwin


Re: RPM updates

G.J. Irwin
 

In case anyone missed the Special Notice posted here, the Toronto RPM has in fact been postponed.

George Irwin


Re: Model: CB&Q "Bomber Boxcar"

al_brown03
 

I know of two sources on these:
Culotta, "Freight Cars Reference Manual", v 1, p 192
Masterson, Wagner, and Hoffman, RP CYC 12, pp 46-87 (see especially pp 78-83)

CB&Q class XA-14D (100 cars, 46650-46749) were built in the company shops in 1937-38. After Pearl Harbor, 60 of this class were rebuilt with 26" roof extensions, to carry wings and other parts for B-26 and B-29 bombers. The modified XA-14Ds were converted back to their original height during 1946. The Masterson article has two photos of CB&Q 46741 with its extended roof, and Culotta has a 1963 photo of the same car at its original height.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: Model: CB&Q "Bomber Boxcar"

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Friends,

That has to be about the ugliest boxcar I've ever seen. Way cool!

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆


On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 4:40 PM Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:
The origins of the model and it builder are in the caption w/the photo.

Bill Welch


Re: Model: CB&Q "Bomber Boxcar"

Bill Welch
 

The origins of the model and it builder are in the caption w/the photo.

Bill Welch


Re: Model: CB&Q "Bomber Boxcar"

Riverboy
 

Is this a scratchbuilt model, or a resin kit, or something else? It looks great!

Tod C Dwyer

On Sunday, March 15, 2020, 03:30:39 PM EDT, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:


Model: CB&Q "Bomber Boxcar"

A model photo from the NAPM Model Railroad Club:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/napmltd/41672943110/

Caption: "In 1942 the Chicago, Burlington & Quincy modified some of their 50' automobile boxcars to carry wings of B-26 Marauder bombers to an Army Air Corps assembly plant near Omaha. The CB&Q shops built 26" high side extensions and reattached the old roof to the raised sides. The wings were loaded and unloaded through the hinged doors on the 'A' end of the boxcar.

After the war these cars were used for high cube, lightweight loads such as appliances and furniture. The cars fared poorly in their new assignment — those types of loads weren't as robust as airplane wings — with cargo damage often the result of excess sway. Eventually the boxcars were put into general service alongside normal-height 50' cars."

Does anyone have a prototype photo or link to a prototype photo?

How many cars did the CB&Q modify?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Model: CB&Q "Bomber Boxcar"

Bob Chaparro
 

Model: CB&Q "Bomber Boxcar"

A model photo from the NAPM Model Railroad Club:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/napmltd/41672943110/

Caption: "In 1942 the Chicago, Burlington & Quincy modified some of their 50' automobile boxcars to carry wings of B-26 Marauder bombers to an Army Air Corps assembly plant near Omaha. The CB&Q shops built 26" high side extensions and reattached the old roof to the raised sides. The wings were loaded and unloaded through the hinged doors on the 'A' end of the boxcar.

After the war these cars were used for high cube, lightweight loads such as appliances and furniture. The cars fared poorly in their new assignment — those types of loads weren't as robust as airplane wings — with cargo damage often the result of excess sway. Eventually the boxcars were put into general service alongside normal-height 50' cars."

Does anyone have a prototype photo or link to a prototype photo?

How many cars did the CB&Q modify?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


CDLX 817 tank car

Tim O'Connor
 


I have a Proto (Walthers) insulated Type 21 tank car decorated as CDLX 817.
It is stenciled for wine service add was issued by X2011 West NMRA Convention.

My question is about a small DECAL that is included. It contains two small pieces
of lettering that appear to be a diagram of some kind, or maybe just graffiti.
I'm guessing someone had a photo of the prototype car with the lettering. Or maybe
not.

Anyone know what this lettering is for, and or where it goes on the car?

Tim O'Connor


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


AHM roof

Clark Propst
 

I over paid ($4) for an AHM 40', DS, DD box car thinking I needed it for a upcoming project. That project didn't materialize as I envisioned. What to do with the model? I took it out of the box and gave it a good look-see. The roof looked like something I'd seen before, so I cut it off. Is this roof usable? If so, what box cars had it?

All comments are appreciated...Well, all favorable comments anyway...
CW Propst