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Re: Soo Line boxcar

Tim O'Connor
 


Cool pix.

That strikes me as some kind of slack adjuster. Is that what it is?

Tim O'Connor


On 3/14/2020 2:16 AM, Dennis Storzek wrote:
On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 08:47 PM, Richard Remiarz wrote:
I don’t know if this part was unique to the later cars that were modeled by the Sunshine kit, or if it was used on all series of Soo sawtooth boxcars.
You mean this: https://realstmfc.groups.io/g/main/album?id=43499

I've never seen one on any Soo car with a fishbelly UF, nor is it shown on the Haskell & Barker drawings of the early twenties cars (the prototype for that kit) so surmise they were only on the later cars. The only one of the 1926, 28, 29, and 30 built cars I've been able to inspect is the 1929 car at the Illinois Railway Museum, where those pix were taken.

Dennis Storzek

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Illinois Central #11346 w/extras

Bill Welch
 

I started building this Funaro & Camerlengo kit over ten years ago and while it was not my intent to take so long, sometimes it can be advantageous. With this prototype I kept finding new photos to purchase and in this process I kept noticing details and this model features many improved details, now hidden under the paint. Among the photos I bought was a Jack Parker photo of #11346 from "Bob's Photos" that showed an interesting wood plank door repair and decided to add this that can now be seen in the photos. I made one for each side attached with brass pins made from .012 wire. They are detachable to allow for painting and eventual weathering. Then I decided to attempt making the remnants of the door papering visible in the prototype photo. inspired by a past article by Don Valentine I purchased some light brown cigarette papers. These proved to not be opaque, even when layered, so I brush painted the back sides with Badger"s Modelflex "Sand." I then cut up some scale 1 x 6 lumber into narrow furring strips. These might be a little oversize but I needed something I wide enough to drill a #80 hole successfully. Note there a no remnants to the right of the door: This is because they would have to removed so the door could be opened. These remnant parts are also pinned in place using .012 brass wire and will be removed while the car is weathered. Then they will be weathered. I used a urethane glue made by Ambroid that is no longer available to glue the wood and paper together. I wanted the remnants to look plausible so I shared photos with some modeling friends that I knew were familiar with grain shipping and sealing doors. I am pretty happy with the way the model remnants look. Jerry Glow made the decals for me about ten years ago too.

Bill Welch


Re: Photo: Barrels in A Boxcar

Riverboy
 

I love these photos, but I kind of chuckled when I saw that beer barrels are being loaded onto a box car marked "Automobile". Is that encouraging drinking and driving? EmojiEmojiEmoji

Ok, maybe sort of lame, but I couldn't resist. But for real, the photos are very interesting. Especially the interior photo of how they are stacked and braced.

Tod C Dwyer

On Monday, March 16, 2020, 12:43:45 PM EDT, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:


Photo: Barrels in A Boxcar

An undated photo from the Los Angeles City Public Library:

https://tessa.lapl.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/photos/id/100971/rec/1247

Caption: "Barrels of liquor are stacked in a railroad car, ready to be transported. The number 1 is written on the top of each barrel."

A good view of how these barrels were secured in a boxcar. It's possible these are beer barrels as they appear to be the same kind of barrels as shown in this photo, although the boxcar is not the same one:

https://tessa.lapl.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/photos/id/103564/rec/16

Caption: "One man brings a barrel of Los Angeles Brewing Co. beer as two men roll the barrel on a railroad car. The barrels are stacked into the railroad car and later transported."

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Barrels in A Boxcar

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Bob;

 

They all look like beer barrels.  I cannot imagine shipping whiskey that way, but beer was often stacked and blocked like that.  They did not ship beer long distances back then, but there were plenty of locations out in the high desert that took shipments of beer.  Even Hemet!

 

I am familiar with Los Angeles Brewing from my early days living in LA.  I even remember the abandoned siding running alongside the shipping building downtown.  Not a real clean operation!

 

Great shots!  Keep them coming!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io
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Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: Barrels in A Boxcar

 

Photo: Barrels in A Boxcar

An undated photo from the Los Angeles City Public Library:

Blockedhttps://tessa.lapl.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/photos/id/100971/rec/1247

Caption: "Barrels of liquor are stacked in a railroad car, ready to be transported. The number 1 is written on the top of each barrel."

A good view of how these barrels were secured in a boxcar. It's possible these are beer barrels as they appear to be the same kind of barrels as shown in this photo, although the boxcar is not the same one:

Blockedhttps://tessa.lapl.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/photos/id/103564/rec/16

Caption: "One man brings a barrel of Los Angeles Brewing Co. beer as two men roll the barrel on a railroad car. The barrels are stacked into the railroad car and later transported."

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Model: CB&Q "Bomber Boxcar"

james murrie
 

The B-26 and later B-29 assembly plant was the Martin factory on what is now Offutt AFB(previously Fort Crook) south of Bellevue NE.  The building was later made part of the base and called "Building C" when I was stationed there in the 1970s.  You could still see the floors made out of wooden blocks.  We used to go jogging on the lower floor (below ground level) in the winter.  They had also put in a bowling alley and a lot of other things including a "Sattelite Control Squadron" that officially controlled weather satellites for AF Global Weather Central. On the other hand, we also had a strategic reconnaissance wing.
The big end doors at the end of what had been the assembly line rolled out into the end of the runway.  One of the B-29s that dropped the atomic bomb was built there.  It was very close to the tracks that ran south out of Omaha. I believe the official station name was Fort Crook even in the 1970s.
Even though I was stationed at SAC HQ, I spent several nights in the building when I was tagged for Officer of the Day duty.

Jim Murrie


Photo: Barrels in A Boxcar

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Barrels in A Boxcar

An undated photo from the Los Angeles City Public Library:

https://tessa.lapl.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/photos/id/100971/rec/1247

Caption: "Barrels of liquor are stacked in a railroad car, ready to be transported. The number 1 is written on the top of each barrel."

A good view of how these barrels were secured in a boxcar. It's possible these are beer barrels as they appear to be the same kind of barrels as shown in this photo, although the boxcar is not the same one:

https://tessa.lapl.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/photos/id/103564/rec/16

Caption: "One man brings a barrel of Los Angeles Brewing Co. beer as two men roll the barrel on a railroad car. The barrels are stacked into the railroad car and later transported."

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photos of B&O M-8 box cars

Eric Lombard
 

Good Morning Fellow Shut-ins...

I am working on an overall history of the 21,000 class M-8 box cars built for the B&O, B&OSW, and P&W.  The majority were built by Pullman as documented by Eric Neubauer. They were in service from 7-1896 to 1929 with original wood underframe. About 12,400 were rebuilt to steel center sills, M-8B, -8C, or underframe, M-8A, as well as US Safety Appliance Standards over 1912-1921. The last of these, #185901, M-8C, is listed in the 1-1940 B&O Summary of Equipment. These rebuilds  were accomplished by the B&O and several commercial builders.

It would be very helpful to me if some of you might share some photo scans and or point me to sources for same. Equipment diagrams indicate "iron roof". What did that look like? An additional 60 of M-8 dimensions were built as B&OSW 17700-17759 with double side doors over door openings of 10-0 and 10-8. What did these look like? They were renumbered to B&O 93000-93059 and rebuilt to steel center sills etc. as B&O 190600-190651. Some were also rebuilt to M-8B.

Advance thanks for any help you can share with me,

Eric Lombard
At home in Homewood, IL


Re: Model: CB&Q "Bomber Boxcar"

Dave Lotz
 

If anyone is interested, Q Connection has the remaining RP CYC 12's in stock for $12.95 plus shipping. 
See www.QConnection.biz and click on Books & Pubs.

Dave Lotz


Re: Model: CB&Q "Bomber Boxcar"

Mont Switzer
 

Bob,

 

We might want to chat off list about C.I.L. 1471 that appears in the photo.  mswitzer@....

 

Mont

 

Montford L. Switzer

President

Switzer Tank Lines, Inc.

Fall Creek Leasing, LLC.

mswitzer@...

(765) 836-2914

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2020 3:31 PM
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Model: CB&Q "Bomber Boxcar"

 

Model: CB&Q "Bomber Boxcar"

A model photo from the NAPM Model Railroad Club:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/napmltd/41672943110/

Caption: "In 1942 the Chicago, Burlington & Quincy modified some of their 50' automobile boxcars to carry wings of B-26 Marauder bombers to an Army Air Corps assembly plant near Omaha. The CB&Q shops built 26" high side extensions and reattached the old roof to the raised sides. The wings were loaded and unloaded through the hinged doors on the 'A' end of the boxcar.

After the war these cars were used for high cube, lightweight loads such as appliances and furniture. The cars fared poorly in their new assignment — those types of loads weren't as robust as airplane wings — with cargo damage often the result of excess sway. Eventually the boxcars were put into general service alongside normal-height 50' cars."

Does anyone have a prototype photo or link to a prototype photo?

How many cars did the CB&Q modify?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Drawings for Mather Patent boxcars

Bud Rindfleisch
 

Claus,
    Many thanks for the info and the off list scans. 
       Bud Rindfleisch


Re: Model: CB&Q "Bomber Boxcar"

Scott
 

Not to high jack this thread but the NYC had a very similar car to this one for B-29 production as well.  If you have Amazon Prime Video search "B29 Bomber Films" and a short movie will pop up with that name.  It has some excellent views of the car including the end door which has eluded many researchers.

Scott McDonald 


Re: CB&Q "Bomber Boxcar"

Harry M Haythorn
 

As far as I Know it is still there. I will check the next time I go to Scottsbluff. There are also 2 in the eastern part of the state. Ravenna, maybe but I can't remember for sure. 

Harry Marshall Haythorn 
UPHS #4043



On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 8:35 PM, Andy Carlson
<midcentury@...> wrote:
Maybe it is still there--20 years ago I was in Scotts Bluff NE. and adjacent to a small rail yard, a grain mill had an on-site storage structure which was a surviving CB&Q extended height box car still in Q paint. I seem to remember that it had evidence of being active into the 60's but I failed to take any pictures.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Sunday, March 15, 2020, 6:02:47 PM PDT, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:


The Burlington Bulletin on the extended roof XA-14D cars states that some served out they’re life without conversion to original height. I’m traveling, so I can’t access my source until next week.

Nelson Moyer

On Mar 15, 2020, at 4:31 PM, al_brown03 <abrown@...> wrote:

I know of two sources on these:
Culotta, "Freight Cars Reference Manual", v 1, p 192
Masterson, Wagner, and Hoffman, RP CYC 12, pp 46-87 (see especially pp 78-83)

CB&Q class XA-14D (100 cars, 46650-46749) were built in the company shops in 1937-38. After Pearl Harbor, 60 of this class were rebuilt with 26" roof extensions, to carry wings and other parts for B-26 and B-29 bombers. The modified XA-14Ds were converted back to their original height during 1946. The Masterson article has two photos of CB&Q 46741 with its extended roof, and Culotta has a 1963 photo of the same car at its original height.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Re: Drawings for Mather Patent boxcars

mel perry
 

bud:
OOPS
mrr should read 11/97
:-(
mel


On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 7:41 PM mel perry via Groups.Io <clipper841=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
bud:
only drawng listed was in 2/91 rmc, mm
had a couple of articles in 11/86 & 5/02,
and rmc also had an article in 11/03,
rmj in 8/03, and mrr 11/87 & 12/87

On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 6:16 PM Bud Rindfleisch <BlackDiamondRR@...> wrote:
Hello, 
    Anyone know of existing drawings for the Mather 40' single sheathed boxcars? Mainline Modeler perhaps?
       Thanks in advance,
        Bud Rindfleisch


Re: Drawings for Mather Patent boxcars

mel perry
 

bud:
only drawng listed was in 2/91 rmc, mm
had a couple of articles in 11/86 & 5/02,
and rmc also had an article in 11/03,
rmj in 8/03, and mrr 11/87 & 12/87

On Sun, Mar 15, 2020, 6:16 PM Bud Rindfleisch <BlackDiamondRR@...> wrote:
Hello, 
    Anyone know of existing drawings for the Mather 40' single sheathed boxcars? Mainline Modeler perhaps?
       Thanks in advance,
        Bud Rindfleisch


Re: Drawings for Mather Patent boxcars

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi Larry, Bud, and List Members,
 
How about having a look at “The Mather Boxcar Draft Horse of American Boxcars” in RMC Feb 1991 pg 85 by Martin Lofton. Has photos and drawings.
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

From: lrkdbn via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2020 10:04 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Drawings for Mather Patent boxcars
 
There was an article in RMC showing the "tall" 10' IH car-sorry I don't have the date but I think it was in the late 80's or early 90's.MRG for 12-1987 had an article with a lot of pictures but no plans,and MRG for 11-1987 had plans for the Mather stock car. Remember the stock cars had the same construction as the box cars-the steel frame Mather cars were highly standardised. The 1916 CBD had plans for the stock car also.MLM for 11-1986
had pictures of box car but no plans, and MLM had the stock car with plans in 9-1987.

Hope this helps
Larry King <lrkdbn@...>


Re: Drawings for Mather Patent boxcars

Bob Webber
 

In the fwiw column, the Pullman library has haskell and barker drawings for Mather stock, auto, refrigerator, vegetable, and beef cars.   I didn't see one for straight box, but it may well be there.  

Sent from BlueMail

On Mar 15, 2020, at 9:05 PM, "lrkdbn via Groups.Io" <aol.com@groups.io target=_blank>lrkdbn=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
There was an article in RMC showing the "tall" 10' IH car-sorry I don't have the date but I think it was in the late 80's or early 90's.MRG for 12-1987 had an article with a lot of pictures but no plans,and MRG for 11-1987 had plans for the Mather stock car. Remember the stock cars had the same construction as the box cars-the steel frame Mather cars were highly standardised. The 1916 CBD had plans for the stock car also.MLM for 11-1986
had pictures of box car but no plans, and MLM had the stock car with plans in 9-1987.

Hope this helps
Larry King <lrkdbn@...>


Re: Drawings for Mather Patent boxcars

lrkdbn
 

There was an article in RMC showing the "tall" 10' IH car-sorry I don't have the date but I think it was in the late 80's or early 90's.MRG for 12-1987 had an article with a lot of pictures but no plans,and MRG for 11-1987 had plans for the Mather stock car. Remember the stock cars had the same construction as the box cars-the steel frame Mather cars were highly standardised. The 1916 CBD had plans for the stock car also.MLM for 11-1986
had pictures of box car but no plans, and MLM had the stock car with plans in 9-1987.

Hope this helps
Larry King <lrkdbn@...>


Re: Model: CB&Q "Bomber Boxcar"

Douglas Harding
 

If you read the caption of the photo posted, you will learn it was built from a Sunshine kit.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Riverboy via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2020 2:35 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Model: CB&Q "Bomber Boxcar"

 

Is this a scratchbuilt model, or a resin kit, or something else? It looks great!

 

Tod C Dwyer

 

On Sunday, March 15, 2020, 03:30:39 PM EDT, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

 

 

Model: CB&Q "Bomber Boxcar"

A model photo from the NAPM Model Railroad Club:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/napmltd/41672943110/

Caption: "In 1942 the Chicago, Burlington & Quincy modified some of their 50' automobile boxcars to carry wings of B-26 Marauder bombers to an Army Air Corps assembly plant near Omaha. The CB&Q shops built 26" high side extensions and reattached the old roof to the raised sides. The wings were loaded and unloaded through the hinged doors on the 'A' end of the boxcar.

After the war these cars were used for high cube, lightweight loads such as appliances and furniture. The cars fared poorly in their new assignment — those types of loads weren't as robust as airplane wings — with cargo damage often the result of excess sway. Eventually the boxcars were put into general service alongside normal-height 50' cars."

Does anyone have a prototype photo or link to a prototype photo?

How many cars did the CB&Q modify?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


CB&Q "Bomber Boxcar"

Andy Carlson
 

Maybe it is still there--20 years ago I was in Scotts Bluff NE. and adjacent to a small rail yard, a grain mill had an on-site storage structure which was a surviving CB&Q extended height box car still in Q paint. I seem to remember that it had evidence of being active into the 60's but I failed to take any pictures.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Sunday, March 15, 2020, 6:02:47 PM PDT, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:


The Burlington Bulletin on the extended roof XA-14D cars states that some served out they’re life without conversion to original height. I’m traveling, so I can’t access my source until next week.

Nelson Moyer

On Mar 15, 2020, at 4:31 PM, al_brown03 <abrown@...> wrote:

I know of two sources on these:
Culotta, "Freight Cars Reference Manual", v 1, p 192
Masterson, Wagner, and Hoffman, RP CYC 12, pp 46-87 (see especially pp 78-83)

CB&Q class XA-14D (100 cars, 46650-46749) were built in the company shops in 1937-38. After Pearl Harbor, 60 of this class were rebuilt with 26" roof extensions, to carry wings and other parts for B-26 and B-29 bombers. The modified XA-14Ds were converted back to their original height during 1946. The Masterson article has two photos of CB&Q 46741 with its extended roof, and Culotta has a 1963 photo of the same car at its original height.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Drawings for Mather Patent boxcars

Bud Rindfleisch
 

Hello, 
    Anyone know of existing drawings for the Mather 40' single sheathed boxcars? Mainline Modeler perhaps?
       Thanks in advance,
        Bud Rindfleisch