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Re: Distinctive Flat Car Toothpicks Timber Load

Ray Hutchison
 

apologies, I thought this was being sent to the group under new topics subject line.


On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 4:43 PM Ray Hutchison <rayhutchison2@...> wrote:
RacineWagonCarriagePoster-web.jpg

On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 3:59 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Hmm. 1954 photo.


On 5/14/2020 1:20 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
A&Y Dave iwrote:
In the period around the turn of the 20th century, the lack of TV and other media forms led to a lot of that type of banner advertising on the railroads.  I wonder if they were only used for photos, or rolled up and unrolled at various station stops?  I've seen "carload" furniture sale banners, fruit banners, and other goods advertised like this on the sides of steam-only era freight cars.   Modeling something like this in a diorama like scene on a layout would be fun.
    Such banners were disallowed by the ICC early in the 20th century.
Tony Thompson


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

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Re: Distinctive Flat Car Toothpicks Timber Load

Ray Hutchison
 

RacineWagonCarriagePoster-web.jpg

On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 3:59 PM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Hmm. 1954 photo.


On 5/14/2020 1:20 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
A&Y Dave iwrote:
In the period around the turn of the 20th century, the lack of TV and other media forms led to a lot of that type of banner advertising on the railroads.  I wonder if they were only used for photos, or rolled up and unrolled at various station stops?  I've seen "carload" furniture sale banners, fruit banners, and other goods advertised like this on the sides of steam-only era freight cars.   Modeling something like this in a diorama like scene on a layout would be fun.
    Such banners were disallowed by the ICC early in the 20th century.
Tony Thompson


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

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Re: Kadee code 88 wheels.

Raymond Stern
 

Please let me ask a dum question. I have been using NWSL
.088 wheel sets for more years than I choose to admit. I have
used them since before the IMR, Kadee, and Rebox .088 wheel
sets were ever available. They have three axle lengths and one
with an axle diameter that fits Atlas journals without having to
ream them out. They appear to be brass wheels and are on
metal axles. Yes I paint the wheels.

I have used them on my freight and passenger cars and have
also used their half axle .088 wheels on my diesels.

My diesels and rolling stock have operated just fine for years at
home, at the club, and at several friends layouts.

However, every time over the past three or four years .088 wheels
comes up as subject NWSL is never mentioned. Huh?

Raymond
Re: Latest run of Intermountain (Wegmann) HO PFE Rebuilt Reefers

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

I was very fortunate that Terry Wegmann was a friend.  I bought a bunch of kits from him when he first produced them.  When he sold the tooling to Intermountain I bought some of the assembled cars.  Their first run was actually pretty good.  My big concern was they did not have the running board supports on the 19 and 21 cars with the metal running boards.  The 21 cars lacked the actuation mechanism for the fans.  On the cars with the single herald the UP shield was too small.  The brake gear was acceptable.

All the discrepancy were easy to correct.  I guess the quality had gone down in subsequent runs.  If you don't have any of the earlier runs the corrections to these cars is well within the scope of anyone on this list.  You still get a solid and ACCURATE body to work with.

Bill Pardie



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-------- Original message --------
From: "Dick Harley via groups.io" <dick.harley4up@...>
Date: 5/14/20 10:01 AM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Latest run of Intermountain (Wegmann) HO PFE Rebuilt Reefers

Another thread hijacked by a different subject(s).

WAY TO GO GUYS !!ty has gone dow


Dick Harley
Laguna Beach,  CA

Re: Distinctive Flat Car Toothpicks Timber Load

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Tony, there must have been some flexibility.  As I am sure you’ve seen photos, the ERIE delivered a one-piece transatlantic cable, from where to where I am not sure, in a string of, I think, 11 fairly modern steel gondolas, with the cable laid in each gon zig-zag fashion, and then looped up and over into the next car.  The gons were all chained together – they certainly didn’t want any sort of break-in-two messing that up!

 

The train had a banner on it because of the special move, a very unusual shipment.

 

But the point of the photos I’ve seen is the problem that delayed the shipment: one of the cars developed a hot box!  Everything had to be moved into a siding ‘til that could be repaired!!

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Thompson
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 1:44 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Distinctive Flat Car Toothpicks Timber Load

 

Dave Parker wrote:



Tony, can you define "early", and maybe provide an effective date?  There are photos of Swift reefer with banners as late as 1934.  Was there any connection to the billboard reefer ban, or were they independent edicts from the ICC?

 

         As late as the first decade of the 20th century, posters, banners and notices of all kinds were attached to freight car sides, and I recall that those were banned (i browsed ALL of Railway Age while researching the PFE book) in that period, but I can't remember more specifically. 

         Whether one could obtain dispensation for a really special load, I don't know.

 

Tony Thompson

 

 

 
Re: Distinctive Flat Car Toothpicks Timber Load

Tim O'Connor
 


Hmm. 1954 photo.


On 5/14/2020 1:20 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
A&Y Dave iwrote:
In the period around the turn of the 20th century, the lack of TV and other media forms led to a lot of that type of banner advertising on the railroads.  I wonder if they were only used for photos, or rolled up and unrolled at various station stops?  I've seen "carload" furniture sale banners, fruit banners, and other goods advertised like this on the sides of steam-only era freight cars.   Modeling something like this in a diorama like scene on a layout would be fun.
    Such banners were disallowed by the ICC early in the 20th century.
Tony Thompson


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
Re: Latest run of Intermountain (Wegmann) HO PFE Rebuilt Reefers

Dick Harley
 

Another thread hijacked by a different subject(s).

WAY TO GO GUYS !!


Dick Harley
Laguna Beach,  CA
Re: Latest run of Intermountain (Wegmann) HO PFE Rebuilt Reefers

Schuyler Larrabee
 

And since Fallen Flags has been mentioned, it’s good to know that site is a personal site, and the expense of the independent server and its connection to the world is supported by the man who runs it, AND BY VOLUNTARY DONATIONS FROM THOSE WHO USE IT!

 

Just sayin” . . .

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Todd Sullivan via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 3:46 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Latest run of Intermountain (Wegmann) HO PFE Rebuilt Reefers

 

Hi Bill,

To feed my head, I like to check Google for model freight cars that interest me.  It takes some time to look through everything Google Images throws up at you, but there are often very helpful prototype photos there.  The other online freight car image databases generally have more modern equipment and car classifications, so they are a little harder to search.  The Fallen Flags site is probably the best for older (1950s) equipment.

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org

Todd Sullivan

Re: Latest run of Intermountain (Wegmann) HO PFE Rebuilt Reefers

Todd Sullivan
 

Hi Bill,

To feed my head, I like to check Google for model freight cars that interest me.  It takes some time to look through everything Google Images throws up at you, but there are often very helpful prototype photos there.  The other online freight car image databases generally have more modern equipment and car classifications, so they are a little harder to search.  The Fallen Flags site is probably the best for older (1950s) equipment.

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org

Todd Sullivan
Re: Latest run of Intermountain (Wegmann) HO PFE Rebuilt Reefers

Bill Keene
 

Ahh YES. So true. Just my old dog memory failing me … again. 

Thanks, Ben, I appreciate the help. Now just need to get those lazy little gray cells into action. :-)

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA



On May 14, 2020, at 12:25 PM, Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:

Bill Keene asked:
"Not being an expert on box cars — or anything else — are any of these 1937 cars being offered accurate reproductions?"

In the spirit of Greg Martin, "Feed your head."  You can compare the models in question against the information here:
http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/prototype/frtcars/protofrtcarsmain.html

It's never so much about being an expert, but it's about knowing how and where to pull information.


Ben Hom
Re: Latest run of Intermountain (Wegmann) HO PFE Rebuilt Reefers

Benjamin Hom
 

Bill Keene asked:
"Not being an expert on box cars — or anything else — are any of these 1937 cars being offered accurate reproductions?"

In the spirit of Greg Martin, "Feed your head."  You can compare the models in question against the information here:
http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/prototype/frtcars/protofrtcarsmain.html

It's never so much about being an expert, but it's about knowing how and where to pull information.


Ben Hom
Re: Kurtz Kraft PFE Reefer Prototype?

Tony Thompson
 

Ben Hom wrote:

https://groups.io/g/RailroadCitrusIndustryModelingGroup/topic/kurtz_kraft_prototype/74211380?p=,,,20,0,0,0::recentpostdate%2Fsticky,,,20,2,0,74211380

Bogus model out of the box.  The deal breaker is the model's reuse of the proprietary PS-1 roof from the Kurtz Kraft boxcar kit.

       Also looks like a 5-foot door, which PFE did not build in steel cars. And I might add that the ice hatches are opened at a steeper angle than was possible on the prototype (the latch bar isn't that long).

Tony Thompson
Re: Latest run of Intermountain (Wegmann) HO PFE Rebuilt Reefers

Bill Keene
 

Not being an expert on box cars — or anything else — are any of these 1937 cars being offered accurate reproductions?

Cheers, 
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA



On May 14, 2020, at 9:41 AM, Donald B. Valentine via groups.io <riverman_vt@...> wrote:

Hi Bob,

     More to the point they illustrate why I stopped receiving ALL model railroad rags.

My best, Don Valentine
Re: NRC-IC reefer photo

Todd Sullivan
 

Hi Jim,

Ice reefers were often used as insulated boxcars.  Shipping potatoes and seed potatoes is one example, and shipping beer and other beverages is another.  I think that other uses in off-harvest-season and as back-haul loads from eastern points have been discussed in this list.  I recall as a RR car clerk, checking the Gunderson facility in Portland OR in the winter of 1961-1962, and finding a PFE reefer loaded with nails.  They were in short cartons stacked two high and covered the floor of the car.  Heavy load, low volume! 

Todd Sullivan
Re: Banners for loads - was: Distinctive Flat Car Toothpicks Timber Load

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

Most such banners I seen were applied to one car only though several cars often carried the same 
banner. If they were taken off they must ave been put back on at various places along the route traveled.
I say this because the Worcester (Mass.) Salt Co. ran one such train of many cars that seems to have
been photographed at several points along it route of travel.

Cordially, Don Valentine
NRC-IC reefer photo

Jim King
 

Here’s the photo that stirred my questions.  It appears to be of the 190xx series with a plain plug door only.  The car was hauling “seed potatoes” to West Jefferson, NC.  Not iced, just used for insulation.  None of the photos, books, articles, etc. I’ve found about the branch shows or mentions use of reefers so this is, indeed, a rare occurrence.  Taken in March 1962 by Steve Patterson.

 

Being a plug-only configuration makes this a MUCH easier car to model.  I have all of my Dad’s Athearn wood/metal cars from the 50s, most he built; some I built as learning tools from him when I got started building kits around 10-12 years old.  One of his cars is in IC paint with silver ends and roof but can be upgraded with brown paint, better trucks/couplers and some underbody details.  It’s yellow, not reefer orange, but the sentimental value is far more important to me than “paint scheme accuracy”.

 

Jim King

http://smokymountainmodelworks.com/

 
Re: Kurtz Kraft PFE Reefer Prototype?

Benjamin Hom
 

Bob Chaparro asked:
"Kurtz Kraft PFE Reefer Prototype?
Does this HO scale Kurtz Kraft PFE reefer resemble any particular PFE prototype or is it a foobie?"
https://groups.io/g/RailroadCitrusIndustryModelingGroup/topic/kurtz_kraft_prototype/74211380?p=,,,20,0,0,0::recentpostdate%2Fsticky,,,20,2,0,74211380

Bogus model out of the box.  The deal breaker is the model's reuse of the proprietary PS-1 roof from the Kurtz Kraft boxcar kit.


Ben Hom
Re: Photo: Stenciling Freshly Painted NKP Box Car 27676

Roger Huber <trainpainter@...>
 

Such an interesting picture demonstrating hard work and ingenuity at it's finest. I love those ladder/platforms!

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Thursday, May 14, 2020, 01:18:41 PM CDT, Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...> wrote:


http://cdm16066.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p16066coll27/id/8731/rec/47

Why does everybody keep making this about the coupler? It's an END STRAIGHTENER. The rod back to the knuckle pin is the anchor. When the guy with the welder's goggles at the left in the picture raises the jack, the handle of which he is resting his hand on, the rig pulls against the coupler, while the two legs above push on the end. The guys with the sledges are there to help it along, really there to make a racket so the foreman knows they are working and stays in his office. The light block and tackle hung on the running board bracket is only there to help position the push legs, using the chain draped over the legs.

Dennis Storzek

Kurtz Kraft PFE Reefer Prototype?

Bob Chaparro
 

Kurtz Kraft PFE Reefer Prototype?

Does this HO scale Kurtz Kraft PFE reefer resemble any particular PFE prototype or is it a foobie?

https://groups.io/g/RailroadCitrusIndustryModelingGroup/topic/kurtz_kraft_prototype/74211380?p=,,,20,0,0,0::recentpostdate%2Fsticky,,,20,2,0,74211380

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA
Re: Photo LPTC 449 (Poultry Car)

Roger Huber <trainpainter@...>
 

Bob,

Cool picture. My, but how things change. Here's a couple guys whose job is to sheppard hundreds of chickens in a dirty, confined space across the distance and look how they dress. lol

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Thursday, May 14, 2020, 12:55:07 PM CDT, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:


Photo LPTC 449 (Poultry Car)

A fair quality photo from the Vintage Bentonville website:

https://www.vintagebentonville.com/uploads/1/0/7/6/107671135/published/404-watermark.jpg?1519851561

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA
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