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Re: New early P&R steel gondola model

Dennis Storzek
 

On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 11:43 AM, Tom Madden wrote:
I've put together an explanation of why the "corrugations" are present and how 3D printing of highly detailed vertical surfaces is still problematical. (Sort of a warm-up for my Cocoa Beach clinic.) Since Eric posts to multiple forums I put everything in a pdf document on my web site:
http://www.pullmanproject.com/Gondola.pdf
Thanks Tom, very informative. This proves to me that Shapeways is just maxed out and still found wanting. It's no longer an issue of resolution, but designing around the "wax tracks". It seems the SLA process is better suited to our parts. Compare these pix to the pix of the D&RGW coal hopper Eric presented a week or so ago.

Dennis Storzek

Re: New early P&R steel gondola model

Tom Madden
 

On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 02:54 PM, Eric Hansmann wrote:

I’ve posted Eric Neubauer’s comments from the Early Rail list after my signature. He added quite a bit of history.

 

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I don’t quite understand the corrugated appearance inside the sides of the model. As far as I know, this class had no lining. [Eric N.]


I've put together an explanation of why the "corrugations" are present and how 3D printing of highly detailed vertical surfaces is still problematical. (Sort of a warm-up for my Cocoa Beach clinic.) Since Eric posts to multiple forums I put everything in a pdf document on my web site:
http://www.pullmanproject.com/Gondola.pdf

Tom Madden

 

Grace Tank Car

bn2204
 

G'Day Gents,

I'm always on the lookout for photos of steam era freight cars that will fit my August - September 1979 timeframe, and the other night, I came across this photo of a GYRX 168

https://www.pjv101.net/film_bw/pjv01602.htm
Photo #1489_040

To me, this appears to be a car with an ACF frame, and a third party tank. Southern Car & Foundry has a car that is very close to the tank car illustrated above, but is a replica of a tank car built by General American. 

http://southerncarandfoundry.com/product/gatx-1638-2-compartment-tank-kit/

With the exception of a few rivets, and ladders, the tank on the model is a near match to the tank illustrated in the photo of GYRX 168. The underframe is another matter, and is where I need the expertise of the folks on this list. Which ACF frame would best work for this car, or is it a frame from a different builder?

Thanks in advance,

Darrall Swift - Lagrange, Ohio
Modeling the BN/MILW in North Central Montana,  Great Falls to Shelby,  Circa: August-September 1979

Re: ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks for sharing Ted
Fenton 


On Dec 19, 2019, at 8:08 AM, Ted Culotta <speedwitchmedia@...> wrote:

Re: Odd (to me) Monon car

william darnaby
 

Yes, it is.  The one I photoed was on a storage track in the B&O’s Indianapolis Belmont Street yard in late 1969 (I was home from college and on my way to a nearby hobby shop).  It was in much better shape but appeared to be unused at the time.

 

Bill Darnaby

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of rwitt_2000 via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2019 8:19 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Odd (to me) Monon car

 

I believe this is the type of car Bill photographed.

Burnt-out, but one can still see the modifications to the original B&O class M-26 box car.

Bob Witt

Re: ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

Ted Culotta
 

Re: Brewery Locomotive ID

Doug Auburg
 

1c. 

Re: Brewery Locomotive ID
From: espee4441
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2019 17:20:59 PST

Was the brewery in Battle Ground or Vancouver? My quick search didn't yield an address. Never explored your neck of the woods but certainly been along the mainlines enough times. Funny thing about it being brewed up in Olympia after 85 since I remember the "Oly" sign so clearly in 87.
Tony Pawley

 

Tony,

The brewery was located in Vancouver in the block between Washington and Columbia Streets and, as I recall, between 6th & 8th Streets.  Theres a Hilton Hotel & a convention center on that block now.  The track was on Columbia Street and ran south toward the SP&S mainline which headed east from Vancouver.  The SP&S grade is elevated at this point with Columbia Street passing underneath.  I dont recall how or where the siding joined SP&S track though I suspect that it turned to the west and joined at or near the Vancouver rail yard as the mainline is at grade over there.

There was a giant red neon Lucky Larger sign on the top of the brewery that was the highlight of the Vancouver skyline when exiting the Interstate Bridge which carries I-5 across the Columbia River from Oregon to Washington (see attached picture I found on line).

Doug

(if this is a second posting, I apologize.  I got a kickback indicating that my first try was rejected)

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Gloorcraft Models Cash & Carry Lumber co.

Brad Andonian
 

Guys,

I have the O scale kit, but wonder if anyone has completed one in HO...   I am missing some sheets and hope someone can shoot images of completed models.

Thanks,
Brad Andonian

Finishing the GN & CB&Q Truss Rod U/F's

Bill Welch
 

In an effort to make sure any 1/87 size persons “living rough’ can “ride the rods” more safely I assembled the truss rod underframes of my GN and CB&Q models so that I could get a board to fit into the turnbuckles. Of course the boards also help keep the turnbuckles and therefore the underframes nice and tight.

Bill Welch

Re: Odd (to me) Monon car

rwitt_2000
 

I believe this is the type of B&O car that Bill photographed.

Burnt-out, but one can see the modifications to the former class M-26 box car

Bob Witt

Re: Odd (to me) Monon car

rwitt_2000
 

I believe this is the type of car Bill photographed.

Burnt-out, but one can still see the modifications to the original B&O class M-26 box car.

Bob Witt

Re: Brewery Locomotive ID

espee4441
 

Was the brewery in Battle Ground or Vancouver? My quick search didn't yield an address. Never explored your neck of the woods but certainly been along the mainlines enough times. Funny thing about it being brewed up in Olympia after 85 since I remember the "Oly" sign so clearly in 87.
Tony Pawley

Re: Brewery Locomotive ID

spsalso
 

Re: New early P&R steel gondola model

Eric Hansmann
 

I’ve posted Eric Neubauer’s comments from the Early Rail list after my signature. He added quite a bit of history.

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

 

A couple of comments: This isn’t a particularly large car for having 50-ton trucks, so it wasn’t designed specifically for coal. The dimensions suggest it could be used as an alternative for the HS, HP, and HK classes serving  collieries that couldn’t handle higher cars. The P&R did handle a large amount of iron ore and mill products which could take better advantage of the 50-ton trucks. Maybe the intent was to create a multi-purpose car which could be loaded to and from the iron furnaces and steel mills. Actually, an article in the 1/18/01 Railroad Gazette confirms this. It would also provide a reasonable explanation for any cars moving far from home.

 

Rebuilding the entire fleet into P&R 26001-27499 GAd class took place from 8-09 through 8-17, so they didn’t last long as built. Coincidently, Pressed Steel Car offered a fairly popular side-sill less version of their fish-belly hopper car design, and the P&R had a thousand of them. They were rebodied in the mid-teens. At that time they would have been 15 years old and due for rebuilding.

 

The P&R design was Cambria Steel’s first major venture into car building and P&R was the primary purchaser. CRRofNJ 38500-35999 (later 88000-88499) might have been a somewhat similar 40-ton version, but I can’t recall ever seeing a photo to confirm. The details of CB&Q 81000-81999 Caswell dump cars built by Cambria in 1903 are also similar to P&R GAc. Cornwall & Lebanon 1100-1199 built 1905 and 1907 had identical overall dimensions and likely used for iron ore. These were absorbed into the PRR fleet.

 

Cambria Steel was eventually acquired by Bethlehem Steel, and car building at Johnstown, PA ended in about 2008. By that time, the parent company had become Johnstown America, then Freight Car America.

 

I don’t quite understand the corrugated appearance inside the sides of the model. As far as I know, this class had no lining. Nice model anyway. I scratch built one of these out of Plastruct once. It didn’t have rivets. A solid lead center sill seemed to be the only way to hide the weight.

 

Eric Neubauer

BFE, Central Texas

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2019 2:45 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] New early P&R steel gondola model

 

Eric,

 

An interesting model. Can you tell us how long they lasted in service? Were any sold off to other roads? Did any go into MW service or other uses?


Yours Aye,

Mungo Napier, Laird of Mallard Lodge  🦆

 

 

On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 7:03 AM Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

A new HO scale model is available for those focused on early 20th Century modeling. A Philadelphia & Reading GAc class steel gondola with drop doors is available as a 3D print through Shapeways. Bob McGlone offers decals and a coal load to finish the models. Details are in the latest post on my blog.

 

 

 

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

Re: New early P&R steel gondola model

Dave Parker
 

Garth:

It looks like the P&R 24000 series was renumbered to 26001-27499 in 1926, coincident with the change from P&R to RDG.  There were still 1493 cars in 1926, 1491 in 1930, and 950 in 1935.  I cannot find them in my January, 1938, register.

Hope this helps.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CA

Re: New early P&R steel gondola model

Tony Thompson
 


Garth Groff wrote:

An interesting model. Can you tell us how long they lasted in service? Were any sold off to other roads? Did any go into MW service or other uses?

    Like many of the very earliest steel gondolas, this car lacks a substantial top chord as well as a side sill. I would guess they readily buckled if overloaded, as did many of these early cars.

Tony Thompson



Re: New early P&R steel gondola model

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Eric,

An interesting model. Can you tell us how long they lasted in service? Were any sold off to other roads? Did any go into MW service or other uses?

Yours Aye,

Mungo Napier, Laird of Mallard Lodge  🦆


On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 7:03 AM Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:
A new HO scale model is available for those focused on early 20th Century modeling. A Philadelphia & Reading GAc class steel gondola with drop doors is available as a 3D print through Shapeways. Bob McGlone offers decals and a coal load to finish the models. Details are in the latest post on my blog.



Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

Cocoa Beach

Spen Kellogg
 

I am looking for a ride from the Orlando Airport to the Oceanside Hilton in Cocoa Beach on Thursday January 9. I arrive in Orlando on United flight #293 at 1:22 PM.

Please respond off list to spninetynine at centurylink dot net.

Many thanks in advance.

Spen Kellogg

New early P&R steel gondola model

Eric Hansmann
 

A new HO scale model is available for those focused on early 20th Century modeling. A Philadelphia & Reading GAc class steel gondola with drop doors is available as a 3D print through Shapeways. Bob McGlone offers decals and a coal load to finish the models. Details are in the latest post on my blog.



Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

Re: ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

Bernd Schroeder
 

another choice for Gypsum roofwalks is available from Kadee since earlier this year...so far, i saw these roofwalks (in 4 colors, only 40', also for Morton) only at one vendor on ebay that might be associated somehow w Kadee , but he was willing to sell to Germany and they are definitely existing...I bought enough to correct the RTR cars from Kadee in my collection where necessary.
It is a detail that is easy to see, so worth the expenses (the removed Apex roofwalks will be used on other cars anyway) and effort.

Bernd Schroeder
Adelsdorf, Germany
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Am 18.12.19, 02:54 schrieb mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...>:

The Santa Fe boxcar book (Boxcars of the Santa Fe 1869-1953) sheds no light on the Bx-48 roofwalk manufacturer.  But I have on occasion used a plastic roofwalk made by Intermountain, which is in the 10' IH 6-panel boxcar and possibly in the PS-1.  This is intended to represent an expanded-metal (early Gypsum) roofwalk, and it actually has some texture to it.  It's thicker than an etched metal roofwalk, but it's beveled on the underside to make the thickness less obvious.

Ron Merrick