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Re: ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

Tim O'Connor
 


I think the straight line map is correct for 1946. Ship & Travel came a little later?

Tim O'Connor


On 12/16/2019 6:44 PM, Andy Carlson wrote:
Hi Lester-

On the Steam Era Freight Car Web Site (different from this io group) Ed Hawkins has data for almost all post war AAR 40' box cars and has data for these cars, but I can say that the Santa Fe was one of three RRs which had 40' 10'6" IH 6' single door 12 riveted panel boxcars. Santa Fe, Denver & Rio Grande and the Great Northern. The Rio Grande had straight lower side sills (think "Cookie cutter"). The Santa Fe Bx-48? box cars had the one year only Youngstown "upside down" 6/6/5 improved Youngstown steel door, built in 1946 which this model has. For a 1946 car, 4/4 improved Dreadnaught ends and rectangular Stanray roof are correct. Your car is remarkably close to being correct, though I can not say if the ATSF straight line map would be correct for this particular class.
Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Monday, December 16, 2019, 3:06:42 PM PST, Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote:


CB&T Shops produced the Limited Edition Car I purchased in the photo in 2013.  Ends and roof match the prototype photo in the 1946 Car Builder’s Cyc; however, side panels on model are six vs five on the prototype.  Doors also not correct.  My question not having any reference data on the Santa Fe.  Were any cars produced with the number of panels the model has?
Any info. on prototype  cars appreciated.  Thank You for your time and effort to respond in advance.
Lester Breuer


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

Tim O'Connor
 


The model's prototype
Bx-48 had 12 panel riveted sides, but the panels closest
to the ends were WIDER than the other panels. So, no one has done a Bx-48 in plastic
in any scale. Shave off the rivets, and replace with Archers.

C&BT Shops produced 28 physically different permutations of the postwar 10'6" AAR
box cars - including 12 panel cars with same-sized panels. Many of the permutations
have no prototype at all. But for 12 panel 10'6" cars I think it's the only source in
HO scale. (Intermountain offers a 10'0" 12 panel body.)

Tim O'Connor


On 12/16/2019 6:06 PM, Lester Breuer wrote:
CB&T Shops produced the Limited Edition Car I purchased in the photo in 2013.  Ends and roof match the prototype photo in the 1946 Car Builder’s Cyc; however, side panels on model are six vs five on the prototype.  Doors also not correct.  My question not having any reference data on the Santa Fe.  Were any cars produced with the number of panels the model has?
Any info. on prototype  cars appreciated.  Thank You for your time and effort to respond in advance.
Lester Breuer

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: Another "What do I do with this" quiz

Clark Propst
 

I received this link http://nakina.net/cn/cn5.html from Calvin Monaghan off the resin car list. I couldn't find any info pointing to a number series for the Accurail 4400 series cars.  Dennis Storzek remembers door and a half cars being rebuilt. Joe Binish sent me scans of article in Mainline Modeler by Stafford Swain. He talked about those rebuilds, but only mentioned wood door cars. 
I might just pick a small number series of rebuilt cars off the link and let someone with proof tell be I'm wrong  ;  ))
CW Propst  

Re: ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

John Barry
 

Bill,

The three foot Herald was standard, but a two foot version was used where a standard one would not fit between the riveted seams of steel cars or the bracing on single sheathed cars.

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736

On Tuesday, December 17, 2019, 3:16:50 AM GMT+1, WILLIAM PARDIE <pardiew001@...> wrote:


It is interesting that this particular car uses the small herald 

Bill Pardie



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-------- Original message --------
From: "Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io" <chiefbobbb@...>
Date: 12/16/19 3:13 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

I have one Bx-48 photo.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA

Re: ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

Pierre Oliver
 

Actually

  • 105.1 Bx-48, 50, 51. Square panel roof, Apex Tri-lock R/B
  • 105.2 Bx-53, 60, 62. Diag panel roof, Apex Tri-lock R/B
  • 105.3 Bx-63. Diag panel roof, USG R/B
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com
On 12/16/19 10:52 p.m., WILLIAM PARDIE wrote:

Ooops!  Pierre's kit was a Bx44.

Bill Pardie



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-------- Original message --------
From: WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...>
Date: 12/16/19 4:49 PM (GMT-10:00)
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

It should be noted that Pierre Oliver produced a super kit for this car.  I don't know if he still has them in stock


Bill Pardie



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-------- Original message --------
From: "Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io" <chiefbobbb@...>
Date: 12/16/19 3:13 PM (GMT-10:00)
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

I have one Bx-48 photo.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA

Re: ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

Pierre Oliver
 

As a matter of fact I do have few still 

Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com


On Dec 16, 2019, at 9:50 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE <pardiew001@...> wrote:


It should be noted that Pierre Oliver produced a super kit for this car.  I don't know if he still has them in stock


Bill Pardie



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-------- Original message --------
From: "Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io" <chiefbobbb@...>
Date: 12/16/19 3:13 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

I have one Bx-48 photo.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA

Re: ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Ooops!  Pierre's kit was a Bx44.

Bill Pardie



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-------- Original message --------
From: WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...>
Date: 12/16/19 4:49 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

It should be noted that Pierre Oliver produced a super kit for this car.  I don't know if he still has them in stock


Bill Pardie



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-------- Original message --------
From: "Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io" <chiefbobbb@...>
Date: 12/16/19 3:13 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

I have one Bx-48 photo.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA

Re: Seatrain Ships

Doug Pillow
 

Back in1971 I was an Able Seaman Cardeckman on the Seatrain Texas. We were running New York(Edgewater NJ) TO San Juan Puerto Rico. Each cardeckman had a deck of railroad cars and one track on the main deck. Each watch you had to check the chocks on each car and the turnbuckles on the tiedownson on each car.They were tightened as needed. The cars were winched to the main elevator for hoisting to main deck where they were craned off. A very interesting ship,she was old but stout built pre World War Two.

Doug

Re: ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

It should be noted that Pierre Oliver produced a super kit for this car.  I don't know if he still has them in stock


Bill Pardie



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-------- Original message --------
From: "Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io" <chiefbobbb@...>
Date: 12/16/19 3:13 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

I have one Bx-48 photo.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA

One person needed for Alma branch op session

Jared Harper
 

I need one person to fill out a train crew on January 25th or 26th.  Contact me if you are interested.  Lunch will be provided.

Jared Harper
420 Woodward Way
Athens, GA 30606
706-543-8821

Re: ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

It is interesting that this particular car uses the small herald 

Bill Pardie



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-------- Original message --------
From: "Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io" <chiefbobbb@...>
Date: 12/16/19 3:13 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

I have one Bx-48 photo.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA

Re: ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

Bob Chaparro
 

I have one Bx-48 photo.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA

Re: ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

mopacfirst
 

The Bx-44 had five panels per side, making it not right for the CB&T model.  The Branchline car is much closer.

Interestingly enough, although this class came with those intermediate Youngstown doors with the wide panels (and I went out of my way to equip my Branchline cars with those Southwest Scale doors), most or all of this class had the doors replaced in later years with a newer Youngstown door much closer to the door in the Branchline kit.

Ron Merrick

Re: MONON gon spiral end

Mont Switzer
 

Yes on the Monon decals.  Contact me off line at mswitzer@....

Mont Switzer 



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-------- Original message --------
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Date: 12/16/19 12:52 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: "main@realstmfc.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] MONON gon spiral end

Are decals available to model this car?

Thanks & Happy Modeling,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA



On Dec 16, 2019, at 5:20 AM, Douglas Harding <doug.harding@...> wrote:


Re: ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

Todd Sullivan
 

Just as a footnote, the prototype photo is of a class Bx-44 Class boxcar, not a Class Bx-48 which is what Brian and Andy have referenced.  The CB&T Shops model is lettered as a Bx-48, so their comments pertain to that class, not the Bx-44.

Todd Sullivan.

Re: ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

Brian Carlson
 

When I was creating my freight car roster for my 1957 layout Richard gave me some data on these cars. I have pasted that below. Note I have not yet looked into what reworkings are needed. 
Bx-48 class (750 cars built in '46; AAR box cars with 12 panel sides, can be modeled with a reworked C&BT kit; for some reason, many of these cars lasted into the '60s with their original P/L).
ATSF 274068 & 274099, Grand Canyon Line
ATSF 274279, Scout
ATSF 274326, 274329, & 274396, El Capitan
ATSF 274534, Super Chief
ATSF 274625, Chief.
Brian J. Carlson 

On Dec 16, 2019, at 6:06 PM, Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote:

CB&T Shops produced the Limited Edition Car I purchased in the photo in 2013.  Ends and roof match the prototype photo in the 1946 Car Builder’s Cyc; however, side panels on model are six vs five on the prototype.  Doors also not correct.  My question not having any reference data on the Santa Fe.  Were any cars produced with the number of panels the model has?
Any info. on prototype  cars appreciated.  Thank You for your time and effort to respond in advance.
Lester Breuer
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ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

Andy Carlson
 

Hi Lester-

On the Steam Era Freight Car Web Site (different from this io group) Ed Hawkins has data for almost all post war AAR 40' box cars and has data for these cars, but I can say that the Santa Fe was one of three RRs which had 40' 10'6" IH 6' single door 12 riveted panel boxcars. Santa Fe, Denver & Rio Grande and the Great Northern. The Rio Grande had straight lower side sills (think "Cookie cutter"). The Santa Fe Bx-48? box cars had the one year only Youngstown "upside down" 6/6/5 improved Youngstown steel door, built in 1946 which this model has. For a 1946 car, 4/4 improved Dreadnaught ends and rectangular Stanray roof are correct. Your car is remarkably close to being correct, though I can not say if the ATSF straight line map would be correct for this particular class.
Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Monday, December 16, 2019, 3:06:42 PM PST, Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote:


CB&T Shops produced the Limited Edition Car I purchased in the photo in 2013.  Ends and roof match the prototype photo in the 1946 Car Builder’s Cyc; however, side panels on model are six vs five on the prototype.  Doors also not correct.  My question not having any reference data on the Santa Fe.  Were any cars produced with the number of panels the model has?
Any info. on prototype  cars appreciated.  Thank You for your time and effort to respond in advance.
Lester Breuer

Re: Odd (to me) Monon car

Brian Termunde
 

No problem sir, it was interesting to read, and we've certainly have had other partially or completely off-topic posts before.

Take Care,
 
Brian R. Termunde
Midvale, Utah

Re: Odd (to me) Monon car
From: Mont Switzer
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 05:50:05 PST
My apologies to the STMF group for the trucking stuff in this message. I didn't know that response was going to the entire group.

Montford L. Switzer
President
Switzer Tank Lines, Inc.

ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

Lester Breuer
 

CB&T Shops produced the Limited Edition Car I purchased in the photo in 2013.  Ends and roof match the prototype photo in the 1946 Car Builder’s Cyc; however, side panels on model are six vs five on the prototype.  Doors also not correct.  My question not having any reference data on the Santa Fe.  Were any cars produced with the number of panels the model has?
Any info. on prototype  cars appreciated.  Thank You for your time and effort to respond in advance.
Lester Breuer

Need color pic of Gold Bond wrapper

Jim King
 

I’m finishing modifying an IM AAR bulkhead flat to represent B&O’s P-31c (an extra welded gusset will backdate this 1955) and need a color pic of a car with Gold Bond wrapper over plaster board (sheet rock).  These were bright orange with black lettering and white cardboard strips under the steel banding.  I’m looking for any bulkhead flat with this type of load, not B&O-specific.  The completed model will be featured in upcoming B&OHS Modeler issues (2 parts).

 

Please reply off-list if you can help.  Thanks.

 

Jim King

http://smokymountainmodelworks.com/

 


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Jim King
http://smokymountainmodelworks.com