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Re: Seatrain Ships

Doug Pillow
 

Back in1971 I was an Able Seaman Cardeckman on the Seatrain Texas. We were running New York(Edgewater NJ) TO San Juan Puerto Rico. Each cardeckman had a deck of railroad cars and one track on the main deck. Each watch you had to check the chocks on each car and the turnbuckles on the tiedownson on each car.They were tightened as needed. The cars were winched to the main elevator for hoisting to main deck where they were craned off. A very interesting ship,she was old but stout built pre World War Two.

Doug
Re: ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

It should be noted that Pierre Oliver produced a super kit for this car.  I don't know if he still has them in stock


Bill Pardie



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From: "Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io" <chiefbobbb@...>
Date: 12/16/19 3:13 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

I have one Bx-48 photo.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
One person needed for Alma branch op session

Jared Harper
 

I need one person to fill out a train crew on January 25th or 26th.  Contact me if you are interested.  Lunch will be provided.

Jared Harper
420 Woodward Way
Athens, GA 30606
706-543-8821
Re: ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

It is interesting that this particular car uses the small herald 

Bill Pardie



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From: "Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io" <chiefbobbb@...>
Date: 12/16/19 3:13 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

I have one Bx-48 photo.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
Re: ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

Bob Chaparro
 

I have one Bx-48 photo.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
Re: ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

mopacfirst
 

The Bx-44 had five panels per side, making it not right for the CB&T model.  The Branchline car is much closer.

Interestingly enough, although this class came with those intermediate Youngstown doors with the wide panels (and I went out of my way to equip my Branchline cars with those Southwest Scale doors), most or all of this class had the doors replaced in later years with a newer Youngstown door much closer to the door in the Branchline kit.

Ron Merrick
Re: MONON gon spiral end

Mont Switzer
 

Yes on the Monon decals.  Contact me off line at mswitzer@....

Mont Switzer 



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From: "Bill Keene via Groups.Io" <bill41@...>
Date: 12/16/19 12:52 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: "main@realstmfc.groups.io" <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] MONON gon spiral end

Are decals available to model this car?

Thanks & Happy Modeling,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA



On Dec 16, 2019, at 5:20 AM, Douglas Harding <doug.harding@...> wrote:
Re: ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

Todd Sullivan
 

Just as a footnote, the prototype photo is of a class Bx-44 Class boxcar, not a Class Bx-48 which is what Brian and Andy have referenced.  The CB&T Shops model is lettered as a Bx-48, so their comments pertain to that class, not the Bx-44.

Todd Sullivan.
Re: ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

Brian Carlson
 

When I was creating my freight car roster for my 1957 layout Richard gave me some data on these cars. I have pasted that below. Note I have not yet looked into what reworkings are needed. 
Bx-48 class (750 cars built in '46; AAR box cars with 12 panel sides, can be modeled with a reworked C&BT kit; for some reason, many of these cars lasted into the '60s with their original P/L).
ATSF 274068 & 274099, Grand Canyon Line
ATSF 274279, Scout
ATSF 274326, 274329, & 274396, El Capitan
ATSF 274534, Super Chief
ATSF 274625, Chief.
Brian J. Carlson 

On Dec 16, 2019, at 6:06 PM, Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote:

CB&T Shops produced the Limited Edition Car I purchased in the photo in 2013.  Ends and roof match the prototype photo in the 1946 Car Builder’s Cyc; however, side panels on model are six vs five on the prototype.  Doors also not correct.  My question not having any reference data on the Santa Fe.  Were any cars produced with the number of panels the model has?
Any info. on prototype  cars appreciated.  Thank You for your time and effort to respond in advance.
Lester Breuer
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ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

Andy Carlson
 

Hi Lester-

On the Steam Era Freight Car Web Site (different from this io group) Ed Hawkins has data for almost all post war AAR 40' box cars and has data for these cars, but I can say that the Santa Fe was one of three RRs which had 40' 10'6" IH 6' single door 12 riveted panel boxcars. Santa Fe, Denver & Rio Grande and the Great Northern. The Rio Grande had straight lower side sills (think "Cookie cutter"). The Santa Fe Bx-48? box cars had the one year only Youngstown "upside down" 6/6/5 improved Youngstown steel door, built in 1946 which this model has. For a 1946 car, 4/4 improved Dreadnaught ends and rectangular Stanray roof are correct. Your car is remarkably close to being correct, though I can not say if the ATSF straight line map would be correct for this particular class.
Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

On Monday, December 16, 2019, 3:06:42 PM PST, Lester Breuer <rforailroad@...> wrote:


CB&T Shops produced the Limited Edition Car I purchased in the photo in 2013.  Ends and roof match the prototype photo in the 1946 Car Builder’s Cyc; however, side panels on model are six vs five on the prototype.  Doors also not correct.  My question not having any reference data on the Santa Fe.  Were any cars produced with the number of panels the model has?
Any info. on prototype  cars appreciated.  Thank You for your time and effort to respond in advance.
Lester Breuer
Re: Odd (to me) Monon car

Brian Termunde
 

No problem sir, it was interesting to read, and we've certainly have had other partially or completely off-topic posts before.

Take Care,
 
Brian R. Termunde
Midvale, Utah

Re: Odd (to me) Monon car
From: Mont Switzer
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 05:50:05 PST
My apologies to the STMF group for the trucking stuff in this message. I didn't know that response was going to the entire group.

Montford L. Switzer
President
Switzer Tank Lines, Inc.
ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

Lester Breuer
 

CB&T Shops produced the Limited Edition Car I purchased in the photo in 2013.  Ends and roof match the prototype photo in the 1946 Car Builder’s Cyc; however, side panels on model are six vs five on the prototype.  Doors also not correct.  My question not having any reference data on the Santa Fe.  Were any cars produced with the number of panels the model has?
Any info. on prototype  cars appreciated.  Thank You for your time and effort to respond in advance.
Lester Breuer
Need color pic of Gold Bond wrapper

Jim King
 

I’m finishing modifying an IM AAR bulkhead flat to represent B&O’s P-31c (an extra welded gusset will backdate this 1955) and need a color pic of a car with Gold Bond wrapper over plaster board (sheet rock).  These were bright orange with black lettering and white cardboard strips under the steel banding.  I’m looking for any bulkhead flat with this type of load, not B&O-specific.  The completed model will be featured in upcoming B&OHS Modeler issues (2 parts).

 

Please reply off-list if you can help.  Thanks.

 

Jim King

http://smokymountainmodelworks.com/

 


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National Perishable Protective Tariff #11 1940 PDF download

Bill Welch
 

Here is the Download link for a PDF version: https://ia802606.us.archive.org/14/items/CAT10939686/CAT10939686.pdf

Attached is a screen grab of the cover.

Bill Welch
Looking for George Paxon

James E Kubanick
 

George,

Please contact me at your convenience.

Jim Kubanick
jekuban@...
Re: Seatrain Ships

Charlie Vlk
 

All-

Popular Science and Popular Mechanics are a source of many good railroad (freight car) images and articles.  Fascinating look into the past when people were interested in how things worked and doing things with their hands.

Quite a contrast to today’s “Popular Science” which is more of a catalog for Sharper Image with opinion pieces on technical and scientific issues.

Charlie Vlk

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2019 10:40 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Seatrain Ships

 

Seatrain Ships

At the risk of going overboard on this topic, here are some links with more information, photos and diagrams on the Seatrain car ferries. The film is especially interesting.

Bob Chaparro

Port of Hemet, CA

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Popular Science Article, 1929

https://books.google.com/books?id=bCoDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA53&hl=en#v=onepage&q&f=true

Popular Mechanics Articel, 1947

https://books.google.com/books?id=0N4DAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA122#v=onepage&q&f=true

Film: Seatrain New Orleans

Film made in 1929. A lot of footage showing cars being moved inside the ship.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBE9mzU_9OQ

Loading Illustration

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f4/Seatrain_Method.jpg

Seatrain ferry loading 1956

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3153401      

The specialist crane hoist the cradle loaded with an ATSF boxcar from the Seatrain Louisiana

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9f/Seatrain_Louisiana%2C_Hoisting_ATSF_Railroad_Freight_Car_from_Cargo_Hold%2C_Seatrain_Lines.jpg

Seatrain Loader,  Belle Chasse, LA

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1846297

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=4624402
Re: Odd (to me) Monon car

Tim O'Connor
 

The state "full crew" laws were hilariously written so poorly that these "cabeese"
could be placed anywhere in the train. The Wabash had similar cars and would just put
people inside for the ride. They had nothing to do but hold on for dear life.

On 12/15/2019 3:41 PM, Seth Lakin via Groups.Io wrote:
Yes Salem, Indiana on the Monon. The Monon built in the company shops these “head end cabooses”. They housed the head end brakeman and any LCL that may be carried to be distributed along the line. They were typically used on the wayfreight trains that ran each section of the line. I would have to dig my notes out but there were 6-8 of them built in the late 40’s from flats.

Seth Lakin
Michigan City IN
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*Tim O'Connor*
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Re: SP/SSW "DF" loader symbol decal: Is the one"

Tim O'Connor
 

Tony

lol - ok, ignore my reply :-P



On 12/15/2019 3:33 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:

On Dec 15, 2019, at 12:19 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
     Background color was an orangish-yellow, as Norm Buckhart showed. This has been done in bright yellow by some manufacturers (incorrectly), but was once done right by Walthers in HO scale. Border and letters are black.
      If you have my SP boxcar book, the lettering drawing for this is on page 354.
     Shouldna typed so fast. Obviously it is the letters and border that are orange, and the background black. Sheesh.
Tony Thompson


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
Re: SP/SSW "DF" loader symbol decal: Is the one"

Tim O'Connor
 


What the?? Tony, the letters were orange-yellow and the rest was black,
with an orange-yellow border - just as Bill Welch describes.

This was done nicely on Proto 2000 B-50-22 cars.

Photos of the style are extremely rare! :-(

The style did not last long, as seen in the photo of T&NO 70287. Black on yellow
was much more visible than yellow over black.

Tim O'Connor





On 12/15/2019 3:19 PM, Tony Thompson wrote:
Bill Welch wrote:
I looked first on the Microscale website for the attached "DF" Loader symbol used by the SP and SSW and maybe others. Does anyone know if this is available anywhere? I think the "DF" and border are yellow. Can anyone advise the background, border and letter colors please?
     Background color was an orangish-yellow, as Norm Buckhart showed. This has been done in bright yellow by some manufacturers (incorrectly), but was once done right by Walthers in HO scale. Border and letters are black.
      If you have my SP boxcar book, the lettering drawing for this is on page 354.
Tony Thompson


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts
Re: Seatrain Ships

Bob Webber
 

There's also an article in Warships International on some of the ships' service in WW II - as can be imagined, they were excellent in terms of moving heavy land vehicles (and landing same).  If I'm not mistaken, these were "chartered" by the Army - not the Navy.  The Army attempted to garner the whole fleet.

They also were used to haul  freight cars to France and other overseas destinations..  This had the benefit of not having to knock down the built "kits" to be rebuilt ashore.  And then..some of those cars had kits as loads within.  At least some of the kits and built up kits were from Bessemer. 

 There is also an image of a load of reefers no one of the ships..where THAT one is can not be recalled at the moment. 

At 10:39 AM 12/16/2019, you wrote:

Seatrain Ships

At the risk of going overboard on this topic, here are some links with more information, photos and diagrams on the Seatrain car ferries. The film is especially interesting.

Bob Chaparro

Bob Webber