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Re: Milk cars

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

That's correct Don.It was more like 15 years ago but I couldn't get enough interest to warrant
the work and investment for a two car prototype.

My best, Don Valentine


Re: Milk cars

Allen Cain
 

Didn't F&C make these years ago?  I think I may have two kits stashed away?

Not on their current list.

Allen Cain


PE Gondola

Bob Webber
 

I'm going through an old album of my father's - the date is likely around 1952, as others are of that era.  About 68 years ago. 

I doubt anyone would guess where this was taken, or on which railroad.  

This Pacific Electric GS Gondola, was taken on either of two lines, the Soo Line, or the MT&W, as at this time, he was with his parents in beautiful Tomahawk, WI.  He hadn't yet started working for the PRR, though he had been studying in Milwaukee. 

A pity that he didn't have a nice digital video or even a good cell phone w/camera. Changed the hobby, in many ways. 

There is an outside chance of this being on the DM&IR as there are a host of steam locomotives of the Missabe - but several pages past this page.  But this is in between the Soo FAs and the MT&W steam.   It was well after the Grab Baggage & Walk steam & early diesels.   Any way you cut it, a long way from home....


Bob Webber


Re: ID Help With Container Car

Doug Auburg
 

Re: ID Help With Container Car
From: Tim O'Connor
Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 06:19:09 PDT


CALCIUM CARBIDE containers. Not waste, but evidently nasty stuff

 

Calcium carbide used to be the source of acetylene gas for welding & cutting – just add water.  (i.e. your containers had better be very water tight or bad things happen.)

 

Doug Auburg


Re: Milk cars

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Friends,

Thought different from the Hood cars, F&C offers a National Car Co. prototype with milk containers (and freight containers too).


Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆


On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 7:37 PM Donald B. Valentine via groups.io <riverman_vt=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
    I'm sorry, Roger, but think you're out of luck in finding a model of the two GPEX - H.P. Hood
"butterdish" style cars short of scratchbuilt ones.

My best, Don Valentine


Re: ID Help With Container Car

Jim Betz
 

Hi,
  Those cars are all marked for Linde and have a "W 1402" hazard lable.
With just that information it should be possible to identify what is in 
them.  However, these are far too late for this group's rules.
                                                                                                   - Jim


Re: Milk cars

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

    I'm sorry, Roger, but think you're out of luck in finding a model of the two GPEX - H.P. Hood
"butterdish" style cars short of scratchbuilt ones.

My best, Don Valentine


Re: Photo: DL&W Gondola 60327

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

    I'd call this a flat car fitted with sides, Bob, but,wow, look at the radius of the curve at the 
bottom of that fishbelly side piece! Either the sheet the side was formed from was heavier
than normal or it was formed on a press that could not exert enough pressure to result in a
smaller radius for that curve. My bet is on the latter.

Thanks for posting this photo, Don Valentine


Re: Milk cars

Roger Huber <trainpainter@...>
 

Lots of info there! Thanks!

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Tuesday, May 12, 2020, 06:12:52 PM CDT, Don Burn <burn@...> wrote:


Roger,

    If you are not aware of it check out http://users.rcn.com/jimdu4/MilkTrains/modelingmilk.htm

Don Burn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Roger Huber via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 7:00 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Milk cars

I have 4 of the Roundhouse 40' GPEX wooden Pfaulder cars. They are very nice cars with, I'm sure, many faults but I like them. I was just looking for some bulk cars with a bit more looks appeal to them. I like the rounded top/bottom GPEX metal Pfaudler cars too.

I need to find some can cars with more appeal too. I need 40' cars so the Walthers, Athearn & BLI cars don't work for me.

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Tuesday, May 12, 2020, 05:51:28 PM CDT, Don Burn <burn@...> wrote:


There was talk of a possible resin kit 10 years ago, but as far as I know it was never done.

Don Burn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>  [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> ] On Behalf Of Roger Huber via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 6:38 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Milk cars

Don,

The GPEX 803-804 cars are really different! I like those. Do you know if anyone makes kits or RTR in HO?

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Tuesday, May 12, 2020, 04:42:33 PM CDT, Don Burn <burn@... <mailto:burn@...> > wrote:



Allen,



      The Intermountain cars are standard GPEX cars, not the “butterdish like” GPEX 803 and 804 see the picture on the top of the cover of https://www.riverraisinmodels.com/libraryData/milktrains.pdf <https://www.riverraisinmodels.com/libraryData/milktrains.pdf>



Don Burn





From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>  [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> ] On Behalf Of Allen Cain
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 5:28 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <mailto:main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Milk cars



Roger



Arriving a little late to this discussion but I have some H.P. Hood & Sons milk cars that I would like to sell.  Need to check when I get home but THINK they were made by Intermountain or BrNchline?  Have at least two and maybe more. Also have the dame car in some other lines.



If anyone is interested contact me off list and I will dig them out and make a deal.



Allen Cain











DL&W Hoppers

David
 

Mostly Standard Steel Car derivatives, with a nice side profile of the Pressed Steel Car straight-sill Schoen design:
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-05-02-20/S0061.jpg

End views of the PSC cars:
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-04-30-20/S0047.jpg

Close mount for the brake wheel:
http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-04-27-20/S0028.jpg

David Thompson


Re: Milk cars

Don Burn
 

Roger,

If you are not aware of it check out http://users.rcn.com/jimdu4/MilkTrains/modelingmilk.htm

Don Burn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Roger Huber via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 7:00 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Milk cars

I have 4 of the Roundhouse 40' GPEX wooden Pfaulder cars. They are very nice cars with, I'm sure, many faults but I like them. I was just looking for some bulk cars with a bit more looks appeal to them. I like the rounded top/bottom GPEX metal Pfaudler cars too.

I need to find some can cars with more appeal too. I need 40' cars so the Walthers, Athearn & BLI cars don't work for me.

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Tuesday, May 12, 2020, 05:51:28 PM CDT, Don Burn <burn@windrvr.com> wrote:


There was talk of a possible resin kit 10 years ago, but as far as I know it was never done.

Don Burn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> ] On Behalf Of Roger Huber via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 6:38 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Milk cars

Don,

The GPEX 803-804 cars are really different! I like those. Do you know if anyone makes kits or RTR in HO?

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Tuesday, May 12, 2020, 04:42:33 PM CDT, Don Burn <burn@windrvr.com <mailto:burn@windrvr.com> > wrote:



Allen,



The Intermountain cars are standard GPEX cars, not the “butterdish like” GPEX 803 and 804 see the picture on the top of the cover of https://www.riverraisinmodels.com/libraryData/milktrains.pdf <https://www.riverraisinmodels.com/libraryData/milktrains.pdf>;



Don Burn





From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> ] On Behalf Of Allen Cain
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 5:28 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <mailto:main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Milk cars



Roger



Arriving a little late to this discussion but I have some H.P. Hood & Sons milk cars that I would like to sell. Need to check when I get home but THINK they were made by Intermountain or BrNchline? Have at least two and maybe more. Also have the dame car in some other lines.



If anyone is interested contact me off list and I will dig them out and make a deal.



Allen Cain


Re: ID Help With Container Car

Tony Thompson
 

Just to be clear, the electric arc furnace was for steel making:  Judson Steel.

      Well, really for melting and casting steel. Judson had a foundry, a bridge and structural steel shop, a machine shop, and a nuts & bolts shop.

Tony Thompson




Photo: DL&W Gondola 60327

David
 

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-05-05-20/C2768.jpg

I assume this is a gondola and not a flat car fitted with sides.
Yes, built as low-side gondolas by Pressed Steel Car in 1903, series DL&W 60000-60499.

David Thompson


Re: Milk cars

Roger Huber <trainpainter@...>
 

I have 4 of the Roundhouse 40' GPEX wooden Pfaulder cars. They are very nice cars with, I'm sure, many faults but I like them. I was just looking for some bulk cars with a bit more looks appeal to them. I like the rounded top/bottom GPEX metal Pfaudler cars too.

I need to find some can cars with more appeal too. I need 40' cars so the Walthers, Athearn & BLI cars don't work for me.

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Tuesday, May 12, 2020, 05:51:28 PM CDT, Don Burn <burn@...> wrote:


There was talk of a possible resin kit 10 years ago, but as far as I know it was never done.

Don Burn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Roger Huber via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 6:38 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Milk cars

Don,

The GPEX 803-804 cars are really different! I like those. Do you know if anyone makes kits or RTR in HO?

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Tuesday, May 12, 2020, 04:42:33 PM CDT, Don Burn <burn@...> wrote:



Allen,



      The Intermountain cars are standard GPEX cars, not the “butterdish like” GPEX 803 and 804 see the picture on the top of the cover of https://www.riverraisinmodels.com/libraryData/milktrains.pdf



Don Burn





From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Allen Cain
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 5:28 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Milk cars



Roger



Arriving a little late to this discussion but I have some H.P. Hood & Sons milk cars that I would like to sell.  Need to check when I get home but THINK they were made by Intermountain or BrNchline?  Have at least two and maybe more. Also have the dame car in some other lines.



If anyone is interested contact me off list and I will dig them out and make a deal.



Allen Cain






Re: Milk cars

Roger Huber <trainpainter@...>
 

Bummer!

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Tuesday, May 12, 2020, 05:51:28 PM CDT, Don Burn <burn@...> wrote:


There was talk of a possible resin kit 10 years ago, but as far as I know it was never done.

Don Burn


-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Roger Huber via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 6:38 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Milk cars

Don,

The GPEX 803-804 cars are really different! I like those. Do you know if anyone makes kits or RTR in HO?

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Tuesday, May 12, 2020, 04:42:33 PM CDT, Don Burn <burn@...> wrote:



Allen,



      The Intermountain cars are standard GPEX cars, not the “butterdish like” GPEX 803 and 804 see the picture on the top of the cover of https://www.riverraisinmodels.com/libraryData/milktrains.pdf



Don Burn





From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Allen Cain
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 5:28 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Milk cars



Roger



Arriving a little late to this discussion but I have some H.P. Hood & Sons milk cars that I would like to sell.  Need to check when I get home but THINK they were made by Intermountain or BrNchline?  Have at least two and maybe more. Also have the dame car in some other lines.



If anyone is interested contact me off list and I will dig them out and make a deal.



Allen Cain






Re: Milk cars

Don Burn
 

There was talk of a possible resin kit 10 years ago, but as far as I know it was never done.

Don Burn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Roger Huber via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 6:38 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Milk cars

Don,

The GPEX 803-804 cars are really different! I like those. Do you know if anyone makes kits or RTR in HO?

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Tuesday, May 12, 2020, 04:42:33 PM CDT, Don Burn <burn@windrvr.com> wrote:



Allen,



The Intermountain cars are standard GPEX cars, not the “butterdish like” GPEX 803 and 804 see the picture on the top of the cover of https://www.riverraisinmodels.com/libraryData/milktrains.pdf



Don Burn





From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Allen Cain
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 5:28 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Milk cars



Roger



Arriving a little late to this discussion but I have some H.P. Hood & Sons milk cars that I would like to sell. Need to check when I get home but THINK they were made by Intermountain or BrNchline? Have at least two and maybe more. Also have the dame car in some other lines.



If anyone is interested contact me off list and I will dig them out and make a deal.



Allen Cain


Container Car Help

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Thank you all for your insights on the container flat car. With the clues y'all gave me, I was able to learn that the car likely belonged to Carbide Industries, Incorporated. Although they apparently have outlets around the country, their main location is Louisville, Kentucky. That may be where we
get the "K" in CCKX. I can't explain the CCAX marks, though I certainly don't dispute the photographic evidence. Neither reporting mark is in my 1958 ORER, and from the design of the car I have concluded that it is indeed beyond our period of interest.

And friends, Judson Steel's Emeryville plant dates to well within our period of interest. They seem to have been a re-processor of scrap metal, and I remember passing the works as a teenager in the 1960s many times. I noted that SP GS gondolas were frequently in evidence. The plant had a
short narrow gauge railroad as well. I only saw the locomotive once as my father drove by on the freeway. After I went off to college, he somehow took several shots of the narrow gauge line (probably through a fence). Those photos are in my collection now, though we don't do narrow gauge here.

I hear the sheriff jangling his keys, so back to pre-1961 standard gauge.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆


Re: Milk cars

Roger Huber <trainpainter@...>
 

Don,

The GPEX 803-804 cars are really different! I like those. Do you know if anyone makes kits or RTR in HO?

Roger Huber
Deer Creek Locomotive Works


On Tuesday, May 12, 2020, 04:42:33 PM CDT, Don Burn <burn@...> wrote:


Allen,

 

       The Intermountain cars are standard GPEX cars, not the “butterdish like” GPEX 803 and 804 see the picture on the top of the cover of https://www.riverraisinmodels.com/libraryData/milktrains.pdf

 

Don Burn

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Allen Cain
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 5:28 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Milk cars

 

Roger 

 

Arriving a little late to this discussion but I have some H.P. Hood & Sons milk cars that I would like to sell.  Need to check when I get home but THINK they were made by Intermountain or BrNchline?  Have at least two and maybe more. Also have the dame car in some other lines.

 

If anyone is interested contact me off list and I will dig them out and make a deal.

 

Allen Cain


Re: ID Help With Container Car

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
Edward wrote: “Home points are listed as <snip> San Leandro CA. Note that San Leandro is about 10 miles south of my photo location.”
 
San Leandro is also quite close to South San Francisco where I saw these cars, altho it is on the other side of San Francisco bay.
 
I found the photos I myself took, these were taken probably in the late 1980s or early 1990s. The car reporting marks on the car I photographed are CCAX, not CCKX, but the car and the container loads look more than very similar.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Claus Schlund
 

From: spsalso via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 5:17 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ID Help With Container Car
 
Just to be clear, the electric arc furnace was for steel making:  Judson Steel.

My January 1976 ORER shows the CCKX mark as being owned by California Contemporary, Inc.  It appears CC was the owner, not the shipper.  Oddly, all 95 cars they owned appear to have been container flats, similar to the subject cars.  They owned NOT ONE furniture shipping boxcar.  Weird, eh?

Home points are listed as ACF, Portland; Reading Railroad, Reading; Cape Fear Car Service, Fayetteville; New Haven RR, Maybrook; and Fabricated Metals, Modena PA and San Leandro CA.

Note that San Leandro is about 10 miles south of my photo location.


Ed

Edward Sutorik


GN plywood boxcar composite doors

Andy Carlson
 

Here is the door painted by Bill Welch years ago....



-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

7941 - 7960 of 180933