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Re: COINCIDENCES

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

In this thread I've seen many mentions of "oddly" numbered cars in photos, almost as if they weren't real without photographic proof. Isn't it quite reasonable to believe that when an ORER listing has series 12300-12399, 100 cars in service, that car 12345 existed, even if no one ever filmed it?

KL


Re: NMRA Conventions

pge253 <gregkennelly@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Andy Harman" <gsgondola@...> wrote:
- snip -
In the past I have given copies of my clinic presentation to people
who requested them - and had the flash drive in hand to do it right there. Since these
clinics do often contain photos that aren't mine, I probably shouldn't do that (although
99% of the photos that are not mine are readily available on line).
- snip -

Andy
For the past several years, my approach at local NMRA division shows has been to generate the Clinic presentation in Corel Presentations (R) (their equivalent of PowerPoint (R)) and provide a "handout" in electronic form as an Adobe PDF that can be copied to a thumb drive. If photos are from my own collection, in the public domain, or have been cleared for distribution by the owner, they are reproduced at reasonable size and resolution (300 dpi 5X7). Otherwise, they are either reproduced as low resolution thumbnails with source information - if appropriate permission has been obtained - or replaced with the statement "Permission to Distribute has not been received". I generally find that commercial purveyors of photographs have, when asked, been happy to have a small "catalog illustration" of a photograph made available to remind the viewer what the subject was so they can order a regular print themselves.

Cheers,
Greg Kennelly
Burnaby, BC


Re: Sunshine "Type 17"

Jim Hayes
 

Thanks Bill. Your reviews and revisions to the instructions are always
helpful.

Jim Hayes
Portland Oregon
www.sunshinekits.com


On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 2:58 PM, William Darnaby <wdarnaby@...> wrote:



I have recently assembled a pair of the Sunshine GATC "Type 17" 8k tank
cars, a D-X and a Tarvia. This kit is well done and builds into a fine
model. The instructions leave a little to be desired, however.

I recommend building up the center sill per the instructions to the point
of
completed draft gear covers, rivet plates and tank support timbers. Do not
add the walkway casting, C channel walkway supports (note in the in process
photos that these are installed upside down!), and bolsters yet. At this
point you will have the complete center sill. Sight down it and make sure
it is straight. Correct if necessary.

Attach the tank to the sill with stout rubber bands. You will notice that
the two tank anchor flanges are wider than the sill. Bend them inwards
until they sit on the sill. You will also notice that these flanges hold
the tank above the timbers so file them down until the tank sets on the
sill
timbers. Once satisfied with the tank position on the sill drill and tap
for 2-56 though the sill and into the tank. Do not glue the tank to the
sill yet. With the truck screws tightened and now holding the tank and sill
together sight down the sill to see if it is still straight. You will
likely notice that that either the screws have pulled the sill up at the
tank ends or that there is a gap between the tank and the short end timbers
just under the tank ends. I found that .015 strips of styrene had to be
added to the tops of these timbers so the sill is straight and level with
the tank. You will also have to add the same styrene to the tops of the
short timbers at the end of the draft gear that support the walkway to
properly position the height of the walkway.

Take the four individual bolsters and, using sandpaper wrapped around the
tank, create the tank curvature in the bolster timbers. Tack them in
position to the sill with Barge Cement or equivalent. Position and tack the
walkway to the draft gear timbers. Slide the two C channels into their
slots between the center sill timbers but do not attach. Sight around the
walkway to check that it is level and in contact with the C channels and
draft gear timbers. When satisfied, attach the four small walkway supports
to the bolsters, not the walkway yet, just above the poling pockets while
maintaining level support for the walkway at all its points. When happy
with everything, permanently attach the bolsters to the sill, not the tank,
and add the bolster caps to tie everything together. I know this sounds
complicated but I've found it's the only way to be sure of avoiding a wavy
walkway around the car.

Remove the walkway and C channels. Separate the tank and sill and add the
trainline pipe. Complete the tank assembly by adding weight, gluing the
halves together, drilling holes and adding grabs. Reattach the tank with
the screws.

Through numerous resin tank kits I have found it is easiest to add the
bands
without the walkway in place. The instructions are a bit vague about how to
make the bands out of the provided .010 x .030 brass strips and there
aren't
enough in the kit anyway. Besides, I found them too thick and prefer to
make my own out of .005 shim brass by cutting out four strips 4 inches
wide.
This is a little too wide but leaves margin for drilling the holes in them
for the handrail supports. The end ones ended up being 15' long, 19' for
the center ones. I made the band rods out of .015 wire and soldered them to
the ends of the bands. Leave the rods long for trimming later. Drill
through the four bolster walkway supports for the band rods. This has to be
done from the top as the holes will be just above poling pockets (see
prototype detail photos). If they are outboard of this they will interfere
with the walkway. Find the two center band anchors, drill them for the rods
and attach to the sill. Install all of the bands. Finally, glue the tank
to the sill and bolster timers.

Install all of the sill step details, cut levers and grabs to the walkway.
Install the C channels and attach the walkway to the tank and sill
assembly.

From this point on follow the directions.

YMMV,

Bill Darnaby

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Re: COINCIDENCES

Rufus Cone
 

The photo RVN01407 that Al Brown mentions is posted at the Ronald Nixon
Collection of the Museum of the Rockies, with the caption provided by
Nixon, "Thought you might like a couple of unusual shots. This is NP
12275 and L&A 12275 in 602 at Glendive (MT) in September 1938. Both cars
were loaded with grain for Duluth. Railroad Magazine said the odds of
such an occasion were 782,000,000 to 1."

http://muse.museum.montana.edu/rvndb/rvnjpeg_img_rec.php?objno=RVN01407

Rufus Cone
Bozeman, MT

On 5/18/2011 3:22 PM, al_brown03 wrote:

Green, "The Pacific Northwest Railroads of McGee and Nixon," p 185,
shows Northern Pacific 12275 coupled to Louisiana & Arkansas 12275, on
the NP at Glendive, Montana.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


Sunshine "Type 17"

william darnaby
 

I have recently assembled a pair of the Sunshine GATC "Type 17" 8k tank
cars, a D-X and a Tarvia. This kit is well done and builds into a fine
model. The instructions leave a little to be desired, however.



I recommend building up the center sill per the instructions to the point of
completed draft gear covers, rivet plates and tank support timbers. Do not
add the walkway casting, C channel walkway supports (note in the in process
photos that these are installed upside down!), and bolsters yet. At this
point you will have the complete center sill. Sight down it and make sure
it is straight. Correct if necessary.



Attach the tank to the sill with stout rubber bands. You will notice that
the two tank anchor flanges are wider than the sill. Bend them inwards
until they sit on the sill. You will also notice that these flanges hold
the tank above the timbers so file them down until the tank sets on the sill
timbers. Once satisfied with the tank position on the sill drill and tap
for 2-56 though the sill and into the tank. Do not glue the tank to the
sill yet. With the truck screws tightened and now holding the tank and sill
together sight down the sill to see if it is still straight. You will
likely notice that that either the screws have pulled the sill up at the
tank ends or that there is a gap between the tank and the short end timbers
just under the tank ends. I found that .015 strips of styrene had to be
added to the tops of these timbers so the sill is straight and level with
the tank. You will also have to add the same styrene to the tops of the
short timbers at the end of the draft gear that support the walkway to
properly position the height of the walkway.



Take the four individual bolsters and, using sandpaper wrapped around the
tank, create the tank curvature in the bolster timbers. Tack them in
position to the sill with Barge Cement or equivalent. Position and tack the
walkway to the draft gear timbers. Slide the two C channels into their
slots between the center sill timbers but do not attach. Sight around the
walkway to check that it is level and in contact with the C channels and
draft gear timbers. When satisfied, attach the four small walkway supports
to the bolsters, not the walkway yet, just above the poling pockets while
maintaining level support for the walkway at all its points. When happy
with everything, permanently attach the bolsters to the sill, not the tank,
and add the bolster caps to tie everything together. I know this sounds
complicated but I've found it's the only way to be sure of avoiding a wavy
walkway around the car.



Remove the walkway and C channels. Separate the tank and sill and add the
trainline pipe. Complete the tank assembly by adding weight, gluing the
halves together, drilling holes and adding grabs. Reattach the tank with
the screws.



Through numerous resin tank kits I have found it is easiest to add the bands
without the walkway in place. The instructions are a bit vague about how to
make the bands out of the provided .010 x .030 brass strips and there aren't
enough in the kit anyway. Besides, I found them too thick and prefer to
make my own out of .005 shim brass by cutting out four strips 4 inches wide.
This is a little too wide but leaves margin for drilling the holes in them
for the handrail supports. The end ones ended up being 15' long, 19' for
the center ones. I made the band rods out of .015 wire and soldered them to
the ends of the bands. Leave the rods long for trimming later. Drill
through the four bolster walkway supports for the band rods. This has to be
done from the top as the holes will be just above poling pockets (see
prototype detail photos). If they are outboard of this they will interfere
with the walkway. Find the two center band anchors, drill them for the rods
and attach to the sill. Install all of the bands. Finally, glue the tank
to the sill and bolster timers.



Install all of the sill step details, cut levers and grabs to the walkway.
Install the C channels and attach the walkway to the tank and sill assembly.



From this point on follow the directions.



YMMV,

Bill Darnaby


Re: COINCIDENCES

al_brown03
 

Green, "The Pacific Northwest Railroads of McGee and Nixon," p 185, shows Northern Pacific 12275 coupled to Louisiana & Arkansas 12275, on the NP at Glendive, Montana.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

A quick check of my disk of JPEG's reveals

CP 123456 (box car)
L&N 12345 (box car)
NP 123456 (log flat)
NRLX 12345 (covered hopper)
SBD 123456 (box car)

Somewhere I have a scan that shows two box cars coupled to each
other, belonging to two different railroads, with the same number.

Tim O'Connor



Steve Lucas wrote:
"A Ted Culotta article in RMC a few years back showed a photo of a CPR "Fowler"
steel-frame 36' boxcar--CP 123456."

From Rich Burg's collection comes a Paul Dunn photo of PRR 123456, Class X28A,
published in several different articles, including an "It Ain't Prototypical"
short in Model Railroader and in my article on Class X28 in TKM (Issue 23).


Ben Hom


Re: COINCIDENCES

cinderandeight@...
 

Ben,
I decline credit for that X28A, it's from John LaRue's collection (neg.
#16561). I don't think Dunn ever got to Philly, so the photographer is
probably a mystery. You can often tell Dunn's shots, they look like they are
shot from the vantage angle of a little kid. I've seen photos of him and he
was very short. For sometime I tried to mimic his shots by shooting from my
knees.
Rich Burg


Re: UP models under represented?

Tim O'Connor
 

Mike

It ain't correct. You've probably got a McKean model. I have one too,
modified with roof hatches per prototype. It's close but there are a
number of discrepencies compared to the prototype.

Tim O'


Hmmm. I've been wondering who did produce it. No One, huh? Strange name...
I don't recall it. The car IS real, BTW, Superior door and welded sides and
all.

Mike Brock


Re: NMRA Conventions

Tim O'Connor
 

Al, I know you enjoy giving the clinics, but as a VENDOR in the past,
your presentations did provide at least a small tailwind to help sales
of the products that you made. In other words, they had some value as
advertising. Many clinicians don't make a dime from any aspect of the
hobby, and waiver of the fee can really help. The NMRA advertises their
conventions in publications and on the web, so I don't see why waivers
could not be included in their advertising budget.

Tim O'Connor

Tony - I couldn't disagree more. Until last year I had given a clinic at the national for about 20 straight years. I never expected anything. I occasionally got a presenter's badge, a certificate or even a plaque. This is a volunteer organization. I LOVE to give clinics. In fact, I often carry one around with me to a meeting in case of a no-show. If giving a clinic is too much of a bother without getting compensation, don't volunteer. - Al Westerfield

----- Original Message -----
From: Anthony Thompson
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 12:27 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] NMRA Conventions


Great. Simpler and cheaper convention administration, at the
expense of the volunteer clinician. Not an approach I approve of,
Doug. Fairness in comps or other support is a legitimate worry, but
solving it by stiffing ALL clinicians is a solution which I'd
characterize as simple, appealing, and wrong.

Tony Thompson


CB&Q FM-14 Look-alikes

Dave Lotz
 

Hi All,

I’m new to this list and have found the discussions to be very interesting
and informative. Thanks for letting me participate.

I’m primarily a CB&Q modeler and my HO scale layout (which is getting
rebuilt after a move from St. Louis) is centered around Burlington, Iowa.
One of the major rail shippers in Burlington was the J.I. Case plant using
flats to ship in steel, and to ship out combines, backhoe/loaders, crawlers
(bulldozers) and skid-steer loaders. I’d like to mix up the flats that
would have been used out of the factory and was wondering how many railroads
rostered 53’ 6” flat cars that were identical in design, or very close to
the CB&Q’s straight side sill, fishbelly underframe FM-14 (89100-89250,
92000-92349) and FM-14A flat cars (89300-89599, 92400-92799, 93000-93399).
I’ve uploaded an image from the Q’s diagram book of this car to be posted to
the photo area of the list for comparison purposes.

I’ve checked the list archives for this information and in my library. I’ve
found that the ATSF had FT-19s that look similar, the FW&D had ex-Q
FM-14/14A flats (641-676) and the GN had the FC 60200-602224 series flats.

I thought it would be a fun exercise to tap into the collective knowledge of
the list membership and find out which other roads had these 53’ 6” flats.
I hope others agree.

Dave Lotz
CB&Q fan from Pooler, GA


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Reading a mini-CD on Apple/MAC equipment

Jim King
 

A customer who uses an Apple Mini computer wrote me recently outlining the
steps he took to access the information on the mini-CDs that I include in
kits. These CDs contain all of the kit instructions and prototype pix and
are required to build a quality kit. The Word file(s) is(are) burned to the
disc after printing in .pdf format. While this format may not create
problems for Apple users, the small disc size does for computers that can
only read full-size discs.



One of these Apple users was kind enough to outline steps taken to solve the
"communication gap" between operating systems. Click on my web site, then
the bottom tab on the menu ("Apple/MAC Users"). If anyone has further
questions or other techniques, please contact me off-list.



Jim King

Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc.

Ph. (828) 777-5619

<www.smokymountainmodelworks.com>


Re: NMRA Conventions

Bill Welch
 

All I can say Doug is that none of the 4 Prototype Modeling gatherings I have spoken at overt the years has ever expected presenters to pay for registration.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., "Douglas Auburg" <cdauburg@...> wrote:

Bill Welch wrote:
What was irksome to me however, was that the NMRA requires clinicians to
pay the same registration fee everyone else does, which to me seems
shortsighted and parsimonious in the extreme. Maybe things have changed. I
hope so. Presenters should get a free pass.



Bill,



I can offer some perspective on this from my past experience with the
convention organization in my former volunteer role as NMRA Convention
Clinic Chair for the past six years - ending with my retirement after
Milwaukee. I do believe there is an NMRA policy in regard to this for
National conventions.



This is a classic slippery slope situation. You propose that clinicians get
free registration. Maybe there should be a partial registration discount?
But in the past, some clinicians have gotten comped rooms as well. Some
conventions have comped transportation to VIP clinicians. Who knows,
perhaps VIP clinicians have been comped meals as well in the past (these
last couple of examples relate to regional conventions but the principle
applies). So we have a wide range of freebees that have been or are being
offered to clinicians in various venues. All perfectly ethical and legal.
I believe the National Narrow Gauge Convention offers clinicians benefits of
some sort.



Now let's look at some of the results of this approach. One problem is
clinicians refusing to do their clinic unless they "get the same deal as
John Doe got." Some clinicians start bargaining for a better deal.
Clinicians ask "Why does Joe Smith get XYZ and I don't? Aren't I as good a
he is?" How do we answer that question w/o hurting feelings or giving away
some more benefits to the ones who complain? The convention committee finds
itself in a position of deciding which clinician is "worth" what special
benefit. Clinicians find themselves in a situation where some are deciding
to do clinics based on considerations of personal gain instead of doing them
to help fellow members and share their knowledge. What about those who open
up their layouts for layout tours? What should they be comped? Are clinics
more or less valuable than layouts. What about great layouts vs. "not so
good" layouts that still have points of interest?



Someone said earlier in this discussion words to the effect that
"conventions aren't in business to make a profit, but they are in business
to not lose money." I'd like to partially disagree. The NMRA national (and
often regions and divisions who host conventions) needs to make some money
from the National conventions in order to help cover its costs and fund its
programs. No profit, and there's a need to raise member dues to cover those
costs or drop the programs. Some seem to believe that there's something
wrong with a convention making a profit, but it seems to me that the NMRA
and the host committee are going to a lot of effort to create and operate a
convention. Attendees get the chance to see things, hear things and do
things that they would never be able to do w/o that convention. So what's
wrong with there being a small increment of profit built into the pricing so
that NMRA national, regional and divisional activities can be funded from a
profit resulting from that small margin? We're providing a service and
benefit to the attendees, why should they not be asked to pay for it? All
of the "comped" items above have to be paid for at the bottom line because
they all amount to costs of one sort or another. The more "comping" the
higher the convention fees need to be. So that gets us back to the other
complaint about NMRA National conventions: "They are too expensive."



As a result of discussions about this topic several years ago it was decided
that the simplest and best solution was to not offer "comps" to clinicians,
or layout tour owners. That decision may or may not have been the "right"
one, but it most certainly has made the organization and administration of
conventions easier, saved hurt feelings of some clinicians, and kept fees
down by eliminating the costs associated with "comping."



Doug Auburg





Re: Great Northern boxcar

Rich C
 

Here is one in Glacier Green
 
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/gn/gn40259ajs.jpg

Rich Christie

--- On Wed, 5/18/11, Tim O'Connor <@timboconnor> wrote:


From: Tim O'Connor <@timboconnor>
Subject: [STMFC] RE: Great Northern boxcar
To: STMFC@...
Date: Wednesday, May 18, 2011, 2:08 PM


 




I am certain this subject has come up before, but I can't locate the
emails. GN rebuilt 50' single sheathed, single and double door auto cars
with steel sides in the 1950's. The single door cars can be modeled
with the Westerfield kits which have the fishbelly underframe and ends
needed for the project. It looks like this double door car got new ends
as well as a new roof.

I have a photo of one of the cars, Richard Hendrickson's model of
GN 39345, which is a single sheathed car painted in the Empire Builder
scheme.

Tim O'Connor

----------------------------------------------

http://railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=205357&nseq=134

From Scott R. Thompson's "Great Northern Color Pictorial - Vol 1", page 90:
Series 40100 to 40299 - rebuilt from outside braced box cars in 1954 -
original series - 29000 to 29899 - built 1925.
Outside steel sheathing, Pullman ends and roof, upgrade brake equipment.
Two 7' wide Camel doors, Universal handbrake, friction bearing trucks.
IL = 50' 6"
IW = 9' 2"
IH = 10' 6"
4862 cubic capacity
110,000 load capacity.
Steve Haas
Snoqualmie, WA


Re: Top 20 North American Freight Car Fleets, January 1949

Armand Premo
 

Just like trying to nail Jell-O to the wall <S>,.A Premo

----- Original Message -----
From: Anthony Thompson
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 3:31 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Top 20 North American Freight Car Fleets, January 1949



Armand Premo wrote:
> Tony,Then does that mean I should disregard all the other evidence
> that I have ,or have seen? :- )

You can (and we know, you will) treat the evidence any way you
wish. It's when you generalize about it that I get concerned <g>.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history






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Re: NMRA Conventions

Andy Harman
 

Speaking of shows, it just dawned on me that the Naperville (now Lisle) meet is
currently scheduled for the same weekend as the Rosemont iHobby Expo (or whatever it's
now called). First time in 10(?) years? I will probably go to Rosemont Sunday, unless
somehow I can rep for somebody and get in on Thursday. Has been a while, I think 03 was
the last time I went to the Rosemont show.

Andy


Overland O Scale PRR F39 TOFC Flatcar for sale

Bill Lane
 

All,



I have decided to sell my Overland O Scale PRR F39 TOFC Flatcar
http://www.lanestrains.com/O_Scale_F39.jpg The car and jack stands have a
pristine glossy coat of Scalecoat PRR Freight car red on it. I bought some
Champ decals that were supposed to be for the F39. After some closer
inspection this morning against some builders photos, the decals are pretty
wrong so I decided to not decal the car. Nonetheless there are 3 sets
included in the sale of the car. The car is otherwise minty and never run. 2
Kadee coupler boxes are included and are painted with the car. Couplers are
not included.



If you are so inclined and **really** want the Champ decals put on the car
it can be done.



Please reply directly to bill@... with your questions or offer.
Bargain hunters need not reply. I paid a premium price for the car
unpainted. I don't have to sell it but have decided that I will never use
it.







Thank You,
Bill Lane

Modeling the Mighty Pennsy & PRSL in 1957 in S Scale since 1988

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New England/Northeast Tentative Clinic Schedule Posted

Dave Owens
 

The tentative schedule and list of clinics for the New
England/Northeast  Prototype Modelers Meet has been posted to our
website, www.neprototypemeet.com.

This year’s meet is our 9th and we hope you’ll consider joining us in
Collinsville, Connecticut, Friday and Saturday, June 4 and 5 for
clinics, programs, a model display and a gathering of a great group of
like-minded modelers. On Sunday June 6 we’ll have layout open houses.

We’ll be joined by several great manufacturers and vendors, including
Bob’s Photo, Speedwitch Media, Funaro & Carmerlengo, Sheepscot Scale
Models, Rapido, Short Line Hobbies, Stella Scale Models, Reboxx, the
Hobby Gallery, Railroad Hobby and Model Supply, Dave’s Trains, New
England Brownstone, the Outer Station Project, Motrak Models, the New
Haven Railroad Technical And Historical Association,  and the Penn
Central Railroad Historical Society.

The meet will also feature a staffed white elephant table where you
can drop off your items for sale. If they sell, our staff will collect
and hold the money for you. There is no charge to sell anything,
although donations are welcomed.

We’ll also conduct our fundraising door prize drawing of items donated
by a host of great manufacturers and vendors.

Looking forward, we’ll be celebrating a milestone at the 2012 meet.
Next year will be our 10th anniversary meet. (Yeah, we’re kind of
stunned about it too.) Anyway, we’re planning some special events for
the June 1-2, 2012 meet, and for the first time we’ll offer a special
incentive at this year’s meet to those who choose to register early
for 2012. Look for details at the meet. Here’s a hint: It involves the
Amherst Society’s Big Railroad Hobby Show in West Springfield, Mass.

For more information about the meet, please check our website or
contact me at neprotomeet@... or 860-233-0303.

Thanks,
Dave Owens
Meet Coordinator


Re: NMRA Conventions

Andy Harman
 

On Wed, 18 May 2011 12:37:25 -0700, Anthony Thompson wrote
Al, I personally agree with you, and as you know, I often
volunteer for talks and only rarely receive any kind of compensation.
I too have plenty of those "thank you" certificates. That doesn't mean
that ALL clinicians at all meeting should get stiffed. I've always
believed in helping those who need help.
It certainly makes sense to compensate travel expenses for a desirable clinician who
couldn't otherwise afford the trip, but these days travel expenses can be rather hefty
and just one round trip plane ticket could wipe out the entire budget for a small meet.

The NMRA convention is a bit different but not that much different. There isn't a lot
of extra capital there to spread around. Clinicians - and the attendees - will vote
with their feet. After 2005, I have not been to an NMRA national convention. I haven't
ruled it out, but certain things in life have changed. I don't have unlimited vacation
time, and there are enough RPM meets out there to keep me involved year round. Paying
full fare, air fare, and a week at a moderate to expensive hotel just to do two days of
RPM just doesn't have the appeal it once did. Not that the NMRA gig has changed all
that much since my first in 95; just that there are now quite a few alternatives that
offer up 90% relevant content for me at a fraction of the cost, as opposed to an
expensive week-long event that is 10-15% relevant content.

Andy


Re: SRDX 410

William Keene <wakeene@...>
 

Richard and Group,

Thank you for the additional information and suggestions. The reason driving the need for such a car is that I have a D-X Distributor planned for my layout at Gridley. This based upon information from the Coffee County (KS) Historical Society. A couple of cars of the correct design and lettering would be a good addition to the fleet. An 8K car would be OK also.

Happy Modeling,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA

On May 18, 2011, at 11:01 AM, Richard Hendrickson wrote:

On May 18, 2011, at 8:21 AM, @smithbf wrote:

--- In STMFC@..., William Keene <wakeene@...> wrote:

Hello Group,

I see that the photos have been approved and are available for
reviewing.

Any assistance and suggestions on modeling this tank car will be
greatly appreciated.
Bill,

The car appears to be a 10,000 gallon AC&F type 11 tank car. The
spotting features are the flat stub end sills (with the channel
facing in... later AC&F cars have the channel facing out) and the
single rows of circumferential rivets on the tank. If the rivets
were in double rows, then it would be an AC&F type 17 car. There
are currently no mass produced models of this car, however it seems
to be a relatively straightforward kitbash. I would use a P2K 10K
tank and remove the top longitudinal course seams and rivets
leaving the bottom course. Replace the upper courses with bare
metal foil circumferential courses and add a single row of Archer
rivets. Use the F&C "TM8", aka "type 2" tank car frame. The
biggest stumbling block might be the dome, but it appears that the
P2K dome might work with mods such as the hatch and safety valves.
Bruce is correct in identifying the car as a10K gal. AC&F Type 11.
Large numbers of both 8K and 10K Type 11s were built in the 'teens
for the Cosden Petroleum Co. of Tulsa and operated under COSX
reporting marks. In 1925 the Cosden holdings were restructured as
the Mid-Continent Petroleum Co., though the tank cars continued to
operate under COSX reporting marks. In the 1920s Mid-Continent
marketed its gasoline and other products under the name Diamond, and
a wholesale and retail marketing effort resulted in a large chain of
Diamond service stations in the central U.S. from Texas to the
Canadian border. In 1933 the gasoline was rebranded as D-X, and by
World War II the Diamond stations had become D-X service stations.
In addition to carrying its own products, the Mid-Continent tank car
fleet included a sizable number of cars under OSKX reporting marks
and, through the Oil States Tank Car Co. subsidiary, these cars were
leased to other petroleum shippers. In 1955 Mid-Continent merged
with the Sunray Oil Co. to form the D-X Sunray Oil Co. and in the
late '50s the tank cars were gradually restencied with SDRX reporting
marks as they came in to the shops for repainting.

I can't agree with Bruce that modeling a 10K gal. car would be "a
relatively straightforward kitbash." For one thing, the P2K dome is
too large and scratchbuilding a correct size dome with the safeties
on a side-mounted elbow would not be easy. A simpler approach, if
you don't insist on a 10K car, would be to build the F&C resin kit
for an 8K Type 11. I am attaching to an off-list e-mail photo scans
of both the 8K and 10K Mid-Continent Type 11s with P/L schemes that
were current in the early 1950s.

Richard Hendrickson

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Re: NMRA Conventions

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Al Westerfield wrote:
Tony - I couldn't disagree more. Until last year I had given a clinic at the national for about 20 straight years. I never expected anything. I occasionally got a presenter's badge, a certificate or even a plaque. This is a volunteer organization. I LOVE to give clinics. In fact, I often carry one around with me to a meeting in case of a no-show. If giving a clinic is too much of a bother without getting compensation, don't volunteer.
Al, I personally agree with you, and as you know, I often volunteer for talks and only rarely receive any kind of compensation. I too have plenty of those "thank you" certificates. That doesn't mean that ALL clinicians at all meeting should get stiffed. I've always believed in helping those who need help.

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