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Re: 5th Ave car shops DT&I decals

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Or if you have RMC from April 2011 , there is a photo of my model and Denny
Anspach's better model on page 99. Al Brown's model is on the next page.
The DT&I decals are well illustrated there.


SGL



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Douglas Harding
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 4:55 PM
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Subject: [STMFC] Re: 5th Ave car shops DT&I decals





Bill look for photos of the Cocoa Beach event, specifically photos of shake
& take models. Or search for the shake n take yahoo list, where you should
find photos, instructions and helpful advice.

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org










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Re: NMRA convention

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Bill Welch wrote:
What was irksome to me however, was that the NMRA requires clinicians to pay the same registration fee everyone else does, which to me seems shortsighted and parsimonious in the extreme. Maybe things have changed. I hope so. Presenters should get a free pass.
As far as I know, Bill, this isn't an NMRA policy but the decision of individual convention committees. Whether presenters should be entirely free, or get SOME recognition or discount for their effort, I don't know, but charging them full fare seems excessive.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Great Northern boxcar

Steve Haas
 

<<This photo shows a NYC FA but in the background a GN 50' boxcar that
appears to be an early underframe with new sides. Anyone have an idea?

Mark Morgan

http://railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=205357&nseq=134>>


Mark,

From Scott R. Thompson's "Great Northern Color Pictorial - Vol 1", page 90:

Series 40100 to 40299 - rebuilt from outside braced box cars in 1954 -
original series - 29000 to 29899 - built 1925.

Outside steel sheathing, Pullman ends and roof, upgrade brake equipment.
Two 7' wide Camel doors, Universal handbrake, friction bearing trucks.

IL = 50' 6"
IW = 9' 2"
IH = 10' 6"
4862 cubic capacity
110,000 load capacity.

Steve Haas
Snoqualmie, WA


Re: UP models under represented?

mike brock <brockm@...>
 

Tim,
You say:

Ummm... Mike, as I said, and your list shows: Not a single postwar
UP box car except for the Kadee PS-1 (B-50-52, which was not on your
list). Considering that there are a number of postwar box car models
for SP, CB&Q, AT&SF, MILW, C&NW, WP, MKT, MP, GN, NP -- I think it
is very fair and accurate to say that the UP is under-represnted.
Perhaps I should have been more clear. To paraphrase Jon Miller, Time for me stops in 1953/4. I don't care what happened in 1955 or later...that's in the future. And, while we are missing some cars and others might not be perfect, I don't complain too loud about the missing cars...up to June 1954. In fact, it amazes me that an H-70-1 was built.

Mike Brock


Re: Consumer-grade 3D printers hit the mainstream

Charles Harris
 

Hi Jack

Thanks for that. I should read more carefully.

Regards

Charlie


From: Jack Burgess
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 1:42 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Consumer-grade 3D printers hit the mainstream



Some of your questions can be answered through Bill Brisko's website...

Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com


<Hi
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<Living in New Zealand I would appreciate some information. Video or
<what ever. Happy to pay for something.
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<stepping etc. Recommended design software etc.
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<Best way to design the curved front areas like F units etc. Something
<better that Sketchup but the same price ! Or something reasonably
<priced. Even a nose component that you can change easily the shapes.
<
<I think someone in the industry needs to sell the components (component
<software) for GM doors, GE doors, Cabs, etc, etc. Horns, steps,
<walkways, etc. We can then do the basic design for our unique loco
<and add in the components.
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<Who do we send design to for quote on printing.
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<Thanks
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<Charlie Harris
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<Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 5:07 AM
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<Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Consumer-grade 3D printers hit the mainstream
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<There will be two clinics on rapid prototyping at the X2011 West NMRA
<Convention in July (see my previous post on the RPM meet). One will be
<presented by Rene Gourley of Proto87 fame and he will talk about getting
<a
<first model printed, the process for developing the design and obtaining
<the
<model, and the finishing that was required.
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<The second will be by Bill Brisko of Pacific Locomotive Works
<(www.pacificlocomotive.com) who does this commercially and has his own
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Re: Top 20 North American Freight Car Fleets, January 1949

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Dave Evans wrote:
Lets see, Greenland was once farmland - but I guess we did something to turn it into a block of ice - and even now we haven't melted it... It all depends on the era you select to analyze the very limited data - just like freight car distribution.... sigh.
Well, indeed, let's see. A few seaside valleys in south coastal Greenland were farmland, for about a century, while the entire interior was the same block of ice it is today (we know because we've drilled all the way through it). Even today, those valleys are green in summer, but too cool to farm--at least European-style farming which the Vikings insisted on trying. The temperature shift involved was small. And luckily, even though the glaciers there are retreating now, so far we haven't raised sea level much.
But this doesn't have a great deal to do with freight cars, nor did my swipe at Armand. Apologies to all for that.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Consumer-grade 3D printers hit the mainstream

Jack Burgess
 

Some of your questions can be answered through Bill Brisko's website...


Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com


<Hi
<
<Living in New Zealand I would appreciate some information. Video or
<what ever. Happy to pay for something.
<
<
<I would like to see what equipment available, accuracy .05mm or less
<stepping etc. Recommended design software etc.
<
<Best way to design the curved front areas like F units etc. Something
<better that Sketchup but the same price ! Or something reasonably
<priced. Even a nose component that you can change easily the shapes.
<
<I think someone in the industry needs to sell the components (component
<software) for GM doors, GE doors, Cabs, etc, etc. Horns, steps,
<walkways, etc. We can then do the basic design for our unique loco
<and add in the components.
<
<Who do we send design to for quote on printing.
<
<Thanks
<
<Charlie Harris
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<Charlie Harris
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<From: Jack Burgess
<Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 5:07 AM
<To: STMFC@...
<Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Consumer-grade 3D printers hit the mainstream
<
<
<
<There will be two clinics on rapid prototyping at the X2011 West NMRA
<Convention in July (see my previous post on the RPM meet). One will be
<presented by Rene Gourley of Proto87 fame and he will talk about getting
<a
<first model printed, the process for developing the design and obtaining
<the
<model, and the finishing that was required.
<
<The second will be by Bill Brisko of Pacific Locomotive Works
<(www.pacificlocomotive.com) who does this commercially and has his own
<printer.
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<Jack Burgess
<Newark, CA
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Great Northern boxcar

Mark
 

This photo shows a NYC FA but in the background a GN 50' boxcar that appears to be an early underframe with new sides. Anyone have an idea?

Mark Morgan

http://railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=205357&nseq=134


Re: NMRA convention

Bill Welch
 

Several years ago the NMRA did a video of my presentation "The History of the 40-Foot Boxcar as Told Through Models" along with several other presentations that year and offered them for sale which was perfectly fine with me.

What was irksome to me however, was that the NMRA requires clinicians to pay the same registration fee everyone else does, which to me seems shortsighted and parsimonious in the extreme. Maybe things have changed. I hope so. Presenters should get a free pass.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., "Gene" <bierglaeser@...> wrote:

Tim,
I've put on a few clinics myself but never had the opportunity to object to filming which I guess is an opinion about the value of my clinic. I've gone both ways - kept my cards close to my vest for a later magazine article and turned it loose for the world to see and use.

Gene Green


--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@> wrote:


Gene, if one's interest is to make money from one's research, why on
earth would one present it for free to an NMRA audience? One can do
what many others have done, and publish the information in a magazine
or as a book, or produce a video for sale.

And I suspect that if the presenter objects to cameras, that is within
his rights to do so.

Tim O'Connor



Would posting clinics on the web become a reason NOT to attend a convention because the clinic part would later be available for free or little cost?

I can imagine that if I were involved in putting on a convention I might be reluctant to allow such filming. Yes, I know the NMRA films some clinics and then does what with them?

Gene Green


Re: Consumer-grade 3D printers hit the mainstream

Charles Harris
 

Hi

Living in New Zealand I would appreciate some information. Video or what ever. Happy to pay for something.


I would like to see what equipment available, accuracy .05mm or less stepping etc. Recommended design software etc.

Best way to design the curved front areas like F units etc. Something better that Sketchup but the same price ! Or something reasonably priced. Even a nose component that you can change easily the shapes.

I think someone in the industry needs to sell the components (component software) for GM doors, GE doors, Cabs, etc, etc. Horns, steps, walkways, etc. We can then do the basic design for our unique loco and add in the components.

Who do we send design to for quote on printing.

Thanks

Charlie Harris





Charlie Harris


From: Jack Burgess
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 5:07 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Consumer-grade 3D printers hit the mainstream



There will be two clinics on rapid prototyping at the X2011 West NMRA
Convention in July (see my previous post on the RPM meet). One will be
presented by Rene Gourley of Proto87 fame and he will talk about getting a
first model printed, the process for developing the design and obtaining the
model, and the finishing that was required.

The second will be by Bill Brisko of Pacific Locomotive Works
(www.pacificlocomotive.com) who does this commercially and has his own
printer.

Jack Burgess
Newark, CA


Re: NMRA convention

Jack Burgess
 

Gene asked:
<Would posting clinics on the web become a reason NOT to attend a
<convention because the clinic part would later be available for free or
<little cost?

That is definitely a consideration for convention committees since the goal
of putting on a Convention (or a RPM meet) is not to make a profit but to
not lose money. Knowing that clinics will be available later online would
certainly be a problem. Think of Naperville and Cocoa Beach...if enough
modelers choose not to attend thinking they can see all of the clinics
online, this type of convention might cease to exist (although the
interaction with other modelers can't be experienced online although that
could be added).

But there are ways of having non-attendees pay for the privilege of seeing
the clinics they would otherwise get to experience at a convention so that
the cost is somewhat comparable to attending. (I don't buy tunes on iTunes
but I'm assuming that if you buy a song, you can't share it with anyone
else. That would be a requirement for any online clinic presentations.)

I look forward to the ability to present clinics online (for a small
reimbursement to the presenter) online. At every convention, I look at the
list of presenters and subject matter to decide how to spend my time. Long
ago I stopped going to "beginner" clinics and those which don't match my
interests. However, I also look at the list of presenters and typically
attend clinics presented by "experts" that I recognize such as Tony
Thompson, Richard Hendrickson, and many others. So, I would think we are not
that far from a "website" with a list of clinics to "purchase" for a
one-time view as long as there was also a handout to supplement the clinic.

<
<I can imagine that if I were involved in putting on a convention I might
<be reluctant to allow such filming. Yes, I know the NMRA films some
<clinics and then does what with them?

I'm assuming that those are available to NMRA members although I've never
looked into that issue...

Jack Burgess


Re: Underrepresented roads and car types

Gene <bierglaeser@...>
 

OK, Bruce Smith in message 100189 and Tony Thompson in message 100192 have set me straight.

In my own case, using the Landmesser hot box list may lead me astray. To be on the list, which was created in 1948, 1949 and 1950, a car had to be set out or delay a train for some reason such as a hot box.

This list provides evidence that a specific car was on the M&StL and usually also gives train # and load. That latter piece of info is interesting, useful and, in many cases, something I couldn't have thought of for myself.

The question is, were these hot box cars evenly distributed throughout all the car types and railroads that had cars on the M&StL? For example, of a total of 1331 entries there are 39 NYC cars and 68 PRR cars. Does that mean nearly twice as many PRR cars as NYC cars on the M&StL or were PRR cars more prone to hot boxes? (No insult of PRR intended.) Is one car type more prone to hot boxes than another?

In line with what has been said in other posts more than half were box cars.

74 flat cars (26 of which are M&StL)
112 gondolas (18 are M&StL)
53 hopper cars (36 are M&StL)
8 covered hoppers (all M&StL)
130 refrigerator cars (none M&StL)
12 stock cars (10 M&StL)
97 tank cars (none M&StL)
5 ventilated box cars (none M&StL)
750 box cars (88 M&StL)
85 unknown types (none M&StL)

This won't quite add up to 1331 because cabooses with hot boxes were not included above.

In the case of covered hoppers and stock cars, I know just what I should do. Beyond that ? ? ?

Or is all this academic? After all, short of scratch building one can only have the models that exist whether RTR or kit.

Gene Green


Re: NMRA convention (was Re: Consumer-grade 3D printers hit the mainstream)

seaboard_1966
 

Darn Tim, I thought I was doing good to buy a digital projector for the Marion Meet this year. Now you are wanting folks to tape the clinics and the like and post them on YouTube!!!

Denis Blake
North Hamlet Shops, Ohio



2011 Central Ohio Prototype Modelers Meet, May 19-21

http://www.hansmanns.org/meet/

http://www.facebook.com/pages/manage/#!/pages/Central-Ohio-Prototype-Modelers-Meet/326645470797

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 6:21 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: NMRA convention (was Re: Consumer-grade 3D printers hit the mainstream)


Ya know... almost any smart phone can now take HD video & audio good
enough to post to Youtube. It would be great if the NMRA or just anyone
would simply "tape" each clinic and post it to Youtube. I'd LOVE to be
able to travel to Sacramento and attend the meet, but I can't. I'd be
happy to make a small donation to a fund that supported such an effort.

Same comment applies to RPM meets like Naperville, Cocoa Beach, etc. We
(as a whole) are slow to adopt these wonderful web-based sharing services.

Tim O'Connor



For those of us with a keen interest in the subject but are unable to attend the convention, is there a way we can plug into the information presented, maybe in summary form? Is there a Web site that might present such information post-convention? Just hoping. . . .
Thanks much,
Brian Chapman
Evansdale, Iowa


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Re: Rivets

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

I emailed Woody of Archer because I have worked with him on several projects and asked him if we wanted to say anything about the Micro Mark product. He replied:

Dear Kurt,


Archer is a small, family owned and operated business that pioneered the process of producing resin objects onto clear decal film in 2007 and we have been marketing these products continuously since then. Our resin products are precise scale, researched and approved by knowledgable modelers to meet their highest quality standards. Archer will not compromise on quality and will continue to serve the modeling community by expanding our selection of resin details on a regular basis.


Archer's resin details are produced using a proprietary process. We do not license our process to any other company or individual. Archer's resin details are manufactured in our facility in the United States and we must conform to strict government and environmental regulations particularly those regarding the use and disposal of hazardous materials. Our production costs are very high and this is reflected in the price.


Archer fully understands that our level of dedication and quality may exceed the needs of the casual modeler and respects the freedom of all consumers to spend their money as they wish.


Archer is proud to be an innovator and participant in a free market society and I hope my comments address your concerns.


Best wishes,


Woody Vondracek, owner
ARCHER FINE TRANSFERS

He also sent along a blow-up of one of the MM sets and it is exactly as others have noted: Cleanly applied black ink patterns over what appears to be more or less random gobs of a clear material. It would be interesting if the fellow who was so impressed with the MM product would show photos of the applied and painted "details", along with his opinion of the results.

KL


Re: Top 20 North American Freight Car Fleets, January 1949

devansprr
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Bruce Smith" <smithbf@...> wrote:

Dave,

Would you accept a PRR engineman's time book? Gene Steffy writes in the
Keystone, vol 24, no 4 that on Jan 4, 1944, he took " a solid N&W coal
train" from Enola to Morrisville as the fireman on the 6755 (M1a, later
converted to M1b and preserved at Strasburg PA) which was the 2nd loco
of a double header. That train had come up the Cumberland Valley Branch
of the PRR from Hagerstown and subsequently the train went to Meadows,
obviously bound for NY or points beyond.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
Bruce,

I would - and based on the tonnages loaded at Hampton Roads, it must have happened. While the lack of photos (this was WWII) is not totally unexpected, one would think there would be at least one picture showing a few of the 10,000 C&O/N&W/VGN loads per month moving through either Pot yard or Hagerstown. Just points out the risk of using photos to determine fleet distribution - at least for WWII.

Dave


Re: Underrepresented roads and car types

Gene <bierglaeser@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
<snip>
Not necessarily. Jack Parker, and I think, Richard Hendrickson, built
what amounts to mainline dioramas as layouts -- Not operations per se,
but a platform for running trains through a scene.
<snip>
Tim O'Connor
Yep, I can see how, in the above described situation, such proportional representation would be exactly the thing to do.

Gene Green


Re: NMRA convention

Gene <bierglaeser@...>
 

Tim,
I've put on a few clinics myself but never had the opportunity to object to filming which I guess is an opinion about the value of my clinic. I've gone both ways - kept my cards close to my vest for a later magazine article and turned it loose for the world to see and use.

Gene Green

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Gene, if one's interest is to make money from one's research, why on
earth would one present it for free to an NMRA audience? One can do
what many others have done, and publish the information in a magazine
or as a book, or produce a video for sale.

And I suspect that if the presenter objects to cameras, that is within
his rights to do so.

Tim O'Connor



Would posting clinics on the web become a reason NOT to attend a convention because the clinic part would later be available for free or little cost?

I can imagine that if I were involved in putting on a convention I might be reluctant to allow such filming. Yes, I know the NMRA films some clinics and then does what with them?

Gene Green


Re: Top 20 North American Freight Car Fleets, January 1949

Bruce Smith
 

"Dave Evans" <devans1@...> 05/17/11 7:02 PM >>>
It all depends on the era. As for coal hoppers, I came across an
interesting book about WWII Transportation (American >Wartime
transportation by Rose), that includes stats that by 1943 Hampton Roads
coal shipments fell to 1/2 pre-war levels - >a combination of U-boat
activity and reassignment of some colliers. Much of this coal was bound
for New York and New >England. Instead it was moved by rail. So one
would expect pictures of N&W, C&O and Virginian hopper strings moving
through Potomac yard and Hagerstown Md. But I have yet to see such a
photo.

Dave,

Would you accept a PRR engineman's time book? Gene Steffy writes in the
Keystone, vol 24, no 4 that on Jan 4, 1944, he took " a solid N&W coal
train" from Enola to Morrisville as the fireman on the 6755 (M1a, later
converted to M1b and preserved at Strasburg PA) which was the 2nd loco
of a double header. That train had come up the Cumberland Valley Branch
of the PRR from Hagerstown and subsequently the train went to Meadows,
obviously bound for NY or points beyond.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


Re: NMRA convention

Tim O'Connor
 

Gene, if one's interest is to make money from one's research, why on
earth would one present it for free to an NMRA audience? One can do
what many others have done, and publish the information in a magazine
or as a book, or produce a video for sale.

And I suspect that if the presenter objects to cameras, that is within
his rights to do so.

Tim O'Connor

Would posting clinics on the web become a reason NOT to attend a convention because the clinic part would later be available for free or little cost?

I can imagine that if I were involved in putting on a convention I might be reluctant to allow such filming. Yes, I know the NMRA films some clinics and then does what with them?

Gene Green


Re: NMRA convention

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
You're right Richard, that's a ripoff, but it has nothing to do with the media involved. They could have (and may have) photocopied
your document and handed those out too -- or even sold them. They had no right to do that.
Tim, read what Richard said again. He said the electronic media make it all too easy to do this, not that it couldn't be done any other way. I think he's right, and the way photos often spread virally around the world on the net shows the same thing. The web is NOT just another publishing medium.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history