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Re: West Shore Line Kits (was: Yankee Clipper Kit List)

Rossiter, Mark W <Mark.Rossiter@...>
 

In my stash of unbuilt kits, I have West Shore Line kit #9103 - New York Central MOW Boom Car.  I seem to recall that they offered a B&O Wagontop covered hopper as well, although I can’t find that kit at the moment.  I also have a half-dozen or so resin kits that came out under the NEB&W ‘Green Dot’ label, presumably done under commission with F&C.  These include several Rutland prototypes as well as an Illinois Central SS box car, several different ‘PS-O’ boxcars and a Reading war emergency hopper.    

 

Mark Rossiter

 

 


Re: West Shore Line

Barry Bennett
 

In my stash I have WSL 9709, a kit for a REA express reefer converted from a troop sleeper.

Barry Bennett
North Hykeham, UK.

On Sat, 29 Feb 2020 at 01:40, Hugh Guillaume via Groups.Io <mguill1224=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
The West Shore Line also offered a kit for a New York Central standard wood caboose.  Central Hobbies, now defunct, of Syracuse NY produced the WSL kits.


Re: NP Mystery Car

Tony Thompson
 

There are lots of Roman graffiti on the walls at Pompeii, and writers in Ancient Greece complained about the same thing.
Tony Thompson 


On Feb 28, 2020, at 5:52 PM, Hudson Leighton <hudsonl@...> wrote:

The NP included sand in it's depot paint formulas to stop the "little darlings" from carving their initials into the wood. Graffiti isn't new, the form just changes.

-Hudson


Re: NP Mystery Car

Hudson Leighton <hudsonl@...>
 

The NP included sand in it's depot paint formulas to stop the "little darlings" from carving their initials into the wood. Graffiti isn't new, the form just changes.

-Hudson


Re: NP Mystery Car

Matt Smith
 

Tony,

Yes it's true! Every generation thinks the next generation is a bunch of (insert adjective). However, with age comes memory loss of ones own childhood! :-)

Point being that online generational diatribes quickly degenerate into political/name calling feuds that are nothing about freight cars.

Back to the regularly scheduled programing!

--
Matt Smith
Bloomington, IL


Re: West Shore Line

 

The West Shore Line also offered a kit for a New York Central standard wood caboose.  Central Hobbies, now defunct, of Syracuse NY produced the WSL kits.


Re: Photo: Freight Cars The Departure Yard At Boston Freight Terminal

Peter Ness
 

Eric,

Thank you very much for your effort to compile and share this information; especially as my early years data is very scant.

 

Peter Ness

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric Lombard
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 12:25 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Freight Cars The Departure Yard At Boston Freight Terminal

 

Hello, Folks...

Attached is a spreadsheet in which the 25,000 New Haven wood-sheathed, steel underframe cars built 1902-1912 are documented. They were all retired from service by 10-1950. There is a lot here to keep your eyeballs busy and which also corrects some misconceptions about renumbering and construction (like the history of the SS cars). The spreadsheet was constructed in service to my work on a database of all the box cars built 1-1910 through 12-1944. 

 

Eric, 

Homewood, IL

 

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 11:35 AM Randy Hammill <nhrr@...> wrote:

I certainly don't question the late date.

Those are definitely NH single sheathed box cars, I'm not sure any other road had a single sheathed box car with a Howe truss and that reverse diagonal in the end panels. They were rebuilt from double sheathed cars in the late '20s (although New Haven records list them as new), and they were in non-revenue service by this time, thus not listed in the ORER.

 


Based on NH documents, these are the single sheathed cars I can confirm still in work service through at least April 1962:

W-1209, 1211, and 1232 (assigned Cedar Hill)
W-1233, 1535, 1536 (assigned Boston)
W-1547 (assigned East Walpole, sold 6/14/60)

There might be a few others, but the majority of the cars appear to have been condemned in the 1956-9 period, after about a decade in work service. 

Randy
--

Randy Hammill
Prototype Junction
http://prototypejunction.com

Modeling the New Haven Railroad 1946-1954
http://newbritainstation.com


Re: CMO 20040 Express Box

Mark
 

Dennis and all,  the boxcar under-frame was modified in that the last cross members on each end were moved toward the center of the car to allow clearance for the 33" wheels on the 7'-0" wheelbase trucks that were salvaged from C&NW wooden milk cars. The trucks formerly offered by the C&NW HS are correct in both respects. The cars also had Viking roofs and LN brakes. Hope this helps.

Mark Feddersen

Denver, Iowa


On 2/27/2020 1:13 PM, Dennis Storzek wrote:
On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 10:32 AM, BRIAN PAUL EHNI wrote:
WB looks too long as well. 
Yeah, the boxcar underframe isn't modified, so still has the 5'-6" kingpin to striker dimension. When you look at the car, the wheel has more or less the same relationship to the car end as the old PRR X29s with their 5'-0" kingpin to striker, which would indicate the passenger truck wheelbase can't be longer than 6'-6". The Tichy trucks claim 6'-0", which may be a bit short. I wonder if these cars had 36" wheels?

In the photo the trucks appear to have separate bolt on pedestals, so the Tichy truck is correct for that feature, but even in the enhanced photo I can't really see the shape of the top of the frame.

Dennis Storzek


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] West Shore Line Kits (was: Yankee Clipper Kit List)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Thanks, Tim!  You guys are the best!

 

Drew, you are correct, and the X31A with roof hatches was for coal tar chips.  I did the research!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Drew M. via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2020 1:32 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] West Shore Line Kits (was: Yankee Clipper Kit List)

 

In my collection of WSL kits I have a D&H 50' double door boxcar and PRR Single and double door 40' boxcars. One of the PRR 40' single door kits includes hatches for flour loading.

Drew Marshall

Philly, PA

Modeling the pre-Depression years.

Sent from TypeApp

On Feb 28, 2020, at 13:25, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Elden this is all I have for West Shore kits -

9001    Reading GHc/GHd composite fishbelly gondola
9002    NYC 1946 Despatch shops 70t 2bay covered hopper
9104    NYC/MC 1936 rebuilt USRA gondola
9202    EL Dunmore shops 70t 4bay covered hopper
9251    N&W round roof 40' SD boxcar
9287    LV wrong way boxcar Zenith roof corr door plate ends
9288    LV wrong way boxcar Viking roof corr door plate ends
9325    CNJ/CRP GHc/GHd composite fishbelly gondola
9326    Reading GHc/GHd composite fishbelly gondola (revised?)
9501A   B&O N-34 covered hopper

It was the fallout over the 1932 ARA box cars that caused Martin to drop Funaro
as a caster (and master builder) - Frank Hodina's first models for Martin then began
to appear, and they were of a higher order of quality. Martin's own early castings (I
think the Mather stock cars may have been the first) were not gray urethane castings.

Tim O'Connor


On 2/28/2020 10:08 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:

Guys;

 

I built his PRR GSH gon as one of my first resin builds.  The resin parts, details, decals and the instructions were good enough that it still compares well with my “modern” resin kit builds.

 

Also, one of my first 3 “accurate” PRR freight cars.

 

Expanding on the subject, does anyone know of a list of the West Shore Line’s offerings?  They were of that same era, and also manufactured by F&C.

 

Thanks!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill Welch
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 5:14 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Yankee Clipper Kit List

 

[Edited Message Follows]

Thank you Tim. I was surprised to see he had done a couple of gondolas. The boxcars on the list is like seeing an old friend after several years. I built the CP mini-box, the B&M and BAR Pratt truss cars and the 1932 ARA BAR, Norfolk Southern, CGW and an extra CGW kit and Walther's decals to do the NdeM version. Bill Dulmaine did an excellent job with his instruction, prototype history and decals. Also built the PM and C&O 1930 series kits and still have the NKP 1932 kit to build.

For NC&StL, Clinchfield, CofG 1932 cars I built the Sunshine versions. I still a Sunshine 1932 CP kit to build.

Bill Welch


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: NP Mystery Car

Tony Thompson
 

Matt Smith wrote:

Well considering spray cans were not invented until the transition era, that is the reason for lack of graffiti on steam era freight cars, not because your generation was smarter or had more respect. Let’s keep the generational ranting out of an otherwise enjoyable hobby.

     I agree with Matt about "generational ranting," but please keep in mind that for thousands of years it has been the job of the elders to decry the descent into chaos of the young generation. Don was only doing his job <g>.
       It is also worth pointing out that freight car graffiti (as we know them today, not the "Bozo Texino" kind of chalk marks) really started in 1979, when the New York subway car cleanup drove the "writers" to other opportunities. It ain't about spray cans.

Tony Thompson




Re: circa 1912 Garrett Wine Co Box Car

Tony Thompson
 

Jacob Wyatt wrote:

Would those tanks be steel do you think?

     Yes. And the glass is the same porcelain enamel you see on your stove top (for most stoves).

If so I think have found the top sill message on the car: "GARRET WINE CO'S GLASS LINED STEEL TANK CAR" ? :)

Tony Thompson




Re: circa 1912 Garrett Wine Co Box Car

Jacob Wyatt
 
Edited

That is fascinating, Don!

Would those tanks be steel do you think?

If so I think we have found the top sill message on the car: "GARRET WINE CO'S GLASS LINED STEEL TANK CAR" ? :)


Re: West Shore Line Kits (was: Yankee Clipper Kit List)

Chuck Cover
 

Here is a finished Steam Shack GTW ss boxcar model that I built last year.  It was a nice kit and built up similar to today’s resin kits.

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM


Re: circa 1912 Garrett Wine Co Box Car

Donald B. Valentine
 

Hi Jacob,

   I've wondered about these cars from another perspective. You note that they had glass tanks but I
believe you mean to say glass lined tanks. These cars look like a 17-18 year newer version of what
ACF was offering in the late 1920's trying to capture a share of General American's business in
building milk tank cars with glass lined tanks.I doubt ACF built more than thirty such milk tank cars 
and believe that most of them ended up under General  American - Pfaudler Corp. ownership before
beig leased back to the milk companies that originally purchased them. This was how the milk 
companies got out from under having to maintain them as General American took care of that under]
the leasing agreement. The tanks for the cars you seek information on may have been made by ACF
and sent to either the Elyria Enameled Products Co. of Elyria, Ohio or the Pfaudler Corp. of Rochester,
NY to glass line them. I suspect Elyria as they are the ones who contracted with ACF to construct the
ACF built milk tank cars. Shortly thereafter Elyria was sold to the Pfaudler Corp. Like your wine car, the
 milk tank cars were used in freight service but primarily in passenger service.

   Interesting how these car designs evolved.

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: NP Mystery Car

Matt Smith
 

Well considering spray cans were not invented until the transition era, that is the reason for lack of graffiti on steam era freight cars, not because your generation was smarter or had more respect. Let’s keep the generational ranting out of an otherwise enjoyable hobby.
--
Matt Smith
Bloomington, IL


Re: SP&S Large Reporting Marks—Date of Introduction

Tim O'Connor
 


Actually, the year was 1958 (if not earlier) - but which style was FIRST? The step-slant or the straight?



On 2/27/2020 8:54 PM, Andy Carlson wrote:
1960, pretty much way to late for many.
-Andy

On Thursday, February 27, 2020, 5:06:51 PM PST, Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:


Wondering if anyone here would know when the SP&S introduced their scheme with the very large SP&S reporting marks. Thank you.

Bill Welch


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: West Shore Line Kits (was: Yankee Clipper Kit List)

Drew M.
 

In my collection of WSL kits I have a D&H 50' double door boxcar and PRR Single and double door 40' boxcars. One of the PRR 40' single door kits includes hatches for flour loading.

Drew Marshall
Philly, PA

Modeling the pre-Depression years.

Sent from TypeApp

On Feb 28, 2020, at 13:25, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Elden this is all I have for West Shore kits -

9001    Reading GHc/GHd composite fishbelly gondola
9002    NYC 1946 Despatch shops 70t 2bay covered hopper
9104    NYC/MC 1936 rebuilt USRA gondola
9202    EL Dunmore shops 70t 4bay covered hopper
9251    N&W round roof 40' SD boxcar
9287    LV wrong way boxcar Zenith roof corr door plate ends
9288    LV wrong way boxcar Viking roof corr door plate ends
9325    CNJ/CRP GHc/GHd composite fishbelly gondola
9326    Reading GHc/GHd composite fishbelly gondola (revised?)
9501A   B&O N-34 covered hopper

It was the fallout over the 1932 ARA box cars that caused Martin to drop Funaro
as a caster (and master builder) - Frank Hodina's first models for Martin then began
to appear, and they were of a higher order of quality. Martin's own early castings (I
think the Mather stock cars may have been the first) were not gray urethane castings.

Tim O'Connor


On 2/28/2020 10:08 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:

Guys;

 

I built his PRR GSH gon as one of my first resin builds.  The resin parts, details, decals and the instructions were good enough that it still compares well with my “modern” resin kit builds.

 

Also, one of my first 3 “accurate” PRR freight cars.

 

Expanding on the subject, does anyone know of a list of the West Shore Line’s offerings?  They were of that same era, and also manufactured by F&C.

 

Thanks!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill Welch
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 5:14 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Yankee Clipper Kit List

 

[Edited Message Follows]

Thank you Tim. I was surprised to see he had done a couple of gondolas. The boxcars on the list is like seeing an old friend after several years. I built the CP mini-box, the B&M and BAR Pratt truss cars and the 1932 ARA BAR, Norfolk Southern, CGW and an extra CGW kit and Walther's decals to do the NdeM version. Bill Dulmaine did an excellent job with his instruction, prototype history and decals. Also built the PM and C&O 1930 series kits and still have the NKP 1932 kit to build.

For NC&StL, Clinchfield, CofG 1932 cars I built the Sunshine versions. I still a Sunshine 1932 CP kit to build.

Bill Welch


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Yankee Clipper Kit List

Tim O'Connor
 


Elden this is all I have for West Shore kits -

9001    Reading GHc/GHd composite fishbelly gondola
9002    NYC 1946 Despatch shops 70t 2bay covered hopper
9104    NYC/MC 1936 rebuilt USRA gondola
9202    EL Dunmore shops 70t 4bay covered hopper
9251    N&W round roof 40' SD boxcar
9287    LV wrong way boxcar Zenith roof corr door plate ends
9288    LV wrong way boxcar Viking roof corr door plate ends
9325    CNJ/CRP GHc/GHd composite fishbelly gondola
9326    Reading GHc/GHd composite fishbelly gondola (revised?)
9501A   B&O N-34 covered hopper

It was the fallout over the 1932 ARA box cars that caused Martin to drop Funaro
as a caster (and master builder) - Frank Hodina's first models for Martin then began
to appear, and they were of a higher order of quality. Martin's own early castings (I
think the Mather stock cars may have been the first) were not gray urethane castings.

Tim O'Connor


On 2/28/2020 10:08 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:

Guys;

 

I built his PRR GSH gon as one of my first resin builds.  The resin parts, details, decals and the instructions were good enough that it still compares well with my “modern” resin kit builds.

 

Also, one of my first 3 “accurate” PRR freight cars.

 

Expanding on the subject, does anyone know of a list of the West Shore Line’s offerings?  They were of that same era, and also manufactured by F&C.

 

Thanks!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill Welch
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 5:14 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Yankee Clipper Kit List

 

[Edited Message Follows]

Thank you Tim. I was surprised to see he had done a couple of gondolas. The boxcars on the list is like seeing an old friend after several years. I built the CP mini-box, the B&M and BAR Pratt truss cars and the 1932 ARA BAR, Norfolk Southern, CGW and an extra CGW kit and Walther's decals to do the NdeM version. Bill Dulmaine did an excellent job with his instruction, prototype history and decals. Also built the PM and C&O 1930 series kits and still have the NKP 1932 kit to build.

For NC&StL, Clinchfield, CofG 1932 cars I built the Sunshine versions. I still a Sunshine 1932 CP kit to build.

Bill Welch


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Yankee Clipper Kit List

Tim O'Connor
 


The West Shore kits were (are) qualitatively better than Yankee Clipper, even if
the castings themselves were the same "alumilite" yellow resin. There was also an
outfit - "Steam Shack"? - that did some CV & GTW single sheathed box cars, and I
think also did some Rutland cars.

I also built the F&C PRR GSh gondola. I remember counting the number of holes I had
to drill for grabs etc - I think it came to 75 or so! That was before I owned my
Brazelton drill press and I broke many #80 drill bits before I had finished. I also
learned about straightening out a WARPED and TWISTED car body from that GSh project. :-)


On 2/28/2020 10:08 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:

Guys;

 

I built his PRR GSH gon as one of my first resin builds.  The resin parts, details, decals and the instructions were good enough that it still compares well with my “modern” resin kit builds.

 

Also, one of my first 3 “accurate” PRR freight cars.

 

Expanding on the subject, does anyone know of a list of the West Shore Line’s offerings?  They were of that same era, and also manufactured by F&C.

 

Thanks!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill Welch
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2020 5:14 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Yankee Clipper Kit List

 

[Edited Message Follows]

Thank you Tim. I was surprised to see he had done a couple of gondolas. The boxcars on the list is like seeing an old friend after several years. I built the CP mini-box, the B&M and BAR Pratt truss cars and the 1932 ARA BAR, Norfolk Southern, CGW and an extra CGW kit and Walther's decals to do the NdeM version. Bill Dulmaine did an excellent job with his instruction, prototype history and decals. Also built the PM and C&O 1930 series kits and still have the NKP 1932 kit to build.

For NC&StL, Clinchfield, CofG 1932 cars I built the Sunshine versions. I still a Sunshine 1932 CP kit to build.

Bill Welch


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: circa 1912 Garrett Wine Co Box Car

Jacob Wyatt
 

Thank you, Dave!

Yes indeed I feel like I'm stuck guessing without a much clearer photo. And the ORERs I've seen that include this car simply list it as one of (I think) 25 tank cars and doesn't even provide dimensional data.

Thank you for the recommendations! I do have the lot number (#6589), so I'll track down Nick Fry and see if he can help.

Thanks again!

PS: I also got an email from Richard Townsend with a link to an antique Virginia Dare tray - thanks a lot, Richard!