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Re: Foobies

Benjamin Hom
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
"Good idea, Ben, but no, the magic prototype fairies have failed to
produce a USRA tank car, even though we've been furiously building these
kits for years!"

You misunderstand me - NOT photos of the USRA tank car, but photos of the cars
Clark is using the Gould/Tichy tank car as a stand-in.


Ben Hom


Re: Foobies

Tim O'Connor
 

Good idea, Ben, but no, the magic prototype fairies have failed to
produce a USRA tank car, even though we've been furiously building these
kits for years!

Tim O'

-------------------------------------

What the heck, I will get the pleasure of building those kits and have real
reporting marks to boot."

Do that, and you'll guarantee photos of those tank cars will surface AFTER you
finish the models!

Ben Hom


Book on Soo Line Freightcars

Dennis Storzek
 

There , that title should have gotten some attention. Ken Soroos, who is editing said book to be published by the Soo Line Historical & Technical Society, has contacted me looking for current e-mail addresses for Eric Neubauer and Jeff Koehler. He needs to finalize permission to use photos these gentlemen provided. If you have current contact info for either of these gentlemen, please reply directly to me, OFF LIST, at <destorzek at mchsi dot com> Replace the "at" and "dot".

Or please forward this message and they can reply themselves.

Thanks,

Dennis


Re: Foobies

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, jerryglow@... wrote:

Isn't that the truth! And they came out how many years before those other highly touted ones who had the benefit of more research and technology.

Jerry Glow
I suppose, just for history's sake, I should point out that at the time the car was tooled, we had essentially nothing, so ANYTHING was better than what we had. While the were people who wanted prototype models wandering in the wilderness, they were hardly the driving force in the market, and it was easy to assume, "build it and they will come."

Bill Gould was a small shop, and he was still on the uphill side of a very steep learning curve. This was not a situation where Megabucks Corp. just throws money at a problem; Gould was looking for projects that he could do in-house, with the equipment and expertise he had in his possession. The four plate tank construction of the proposed USRA car was a significant factor; it made all the difference between doing a tankcar model, or not. No matter how many people pointed out that no cars were actually constructed to those plans, and I know several people did just that, unless they were prepared to offer an alternate prototype WITH FOUR PLATE TANK CONSTRUCTION, and had as complete a set of drawings of their proposal as what were published in the CBC, it wasn't going to make any difference. If those people had been successful at getting around the interference Bob Hundman was running, they only would have been responsible for the project being dropped, not changed to something more common.

Give the man credit for having the stones to develop a new product that was going to retail at two or three times the price of his competition. The fact that it sold at all proved that there was a market beyond what the big players of the day were serving, and paved the way for all that has come since.

Dennis


Re: Accurail 41' gon - WLE and NKP

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Schuyler Larrabee" <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:

And, does anybody know of decals?



If this was answered later than Elden's post, forgive me, I have not read
them all.

SGL
Gee, I think we've offered both:

http://accurail.com/accurail/ART/3700/3728.jpg
http://accurail.com/accurail/ART/3700/3733.jpg

It looks like we still have stock on the WLE car, likely because of the exciting paint and lettering :-(

http://accurail.com/accurail/3700.htm

Dennis Storzek
Accurail, Inc.


DECORATED Branchline & Intermountain KITS

Andy Carlson
 

BRANCHLINE/INTERMOUNTAIN/RED CABOOSE/RIB SIDE MODELS/ LL P2K




Lamenting the passing of decorated kits? I have the following HO kits, all
brand new. Almost all kits are unlabeled with dealer stickers, and have never
been on a hobby store shelf. Quantities of each car is listed first. Most of the
items are available in multiple road numbers. I can answer how many unique
numbers are available for each car type.

**********Contact me off-list at <midcentury@sbcglobal.net> , please do not
reply to the STMFC List, Thanks**********

I accept checks and money orders as payment. I offer PayPal (with a 4%
surcharge). Shipping is $3.00 for 1st car. By weight and zip code for more than
1. I can ship up to 10 of a mix of Red Caboose and Intermountain cars for
$11.00 (best shipping bargain). I can ship 10 Branchline cars for $15.00.

BRANCHLINE KITS

20 1000 undec 50' 16 panel riveted 8' single door boxcar
.....................11.00 each
20 1001 ATSF " " " " "
...............................11.00
3 1002 ERIE " " " " "
...............................11.00
6 1005 NORTHERN PACIFIC " " "
...............................13.00
10 1006 T&P " " " "
................................11.00
3 1008 ILLINOIS CENTRAL " " "
...............................11.00
3 1011 PRR " " " "
................................12.00
10 1012 Wabash " " " "
................................11.00
4 1016 C&EI " " " "
...............................11.00
8 1017 ERIE " " " "
................................11.00
4 1018 WESTERN MARYLAND " "
.................................11.00
5 1019 CB&Q " " " "
.................................13.00
4 1020 GAEX " " " "
................................11.00
4 1021 ROCK ISLAND " " "
....................................12.00
5 1023 GTW " " " "
..................................11.00
5 1025 MONON " " " "
.................................11.00
4 9014 PRR 50' SD boxcar special run
...............................................13.00

2 1105 NYC bcr 50' Riveted side double door boxcar
.........................11.00
6 1108 SP&S " " " "
...................................13.00
2 1107 DT&I " " " "
...................................11.00

2 1108 ILLINOIS CENTRAL " " " "
...........................11.00
3 1111 WABASH " " " " '
............................11.00
4 1112 T&P " " " "
................................11.00
8 1113 CGW " " " "
................................11.00
12 1116 NYC " " " "
................................11.00
2 1117 WABASH " " "
.................................11.00
2 1118 DT&S " " " "
................................11.00
4 9022 MEC repaint 1970 all gold 50' SD
..................................8.00

1 1400 undec 6' door AAR boxcar
........................................................$14.00
6 1434 UNION PACIFIC 40' single 6' door boxcar
...........................$13.00 ea.
1 1438 SANTA FE " " "
.............................13.00

6 1504 DT&I 40' AAR 10 panel riveted side 8' single door boxcar ....$11.00

1 1600 undec 7' door AAR boxcar
...................................................$14.00
1 1601 Buffalo Creek Flour 40' AAR boxcar 7' door
.........................$11.00
1 1607 NKP " " " " "
.................................$11.00
6 1608 PRR " " " " "
...........................11.00

3 1611 WESTERN MARYLAND " " "
..........................11.00

4 1717 PRR riveted 50' plug door boxcar
............................................11.00

1 1801 GARX 50' plug door Gen'l American style
boxcar.....................11.00

2 9015 SP 40' '37 AAR Yardmaster 10'0"boxcar 6' single door..............$8.00


INTERMOUNTAIN RAILWAY CO. KITS

2 40402 C&NW 40' SD PS-1 boxcar
......................................................$11.00
1 40406 CB&Q 40' SD PS-1 boxcar
.......................................................$11.00
1 40452 ERIE 40' SD PS-1 boxcar
.......................................................$11.00
1 40459 B&O 40' SD PS-1 boxcar
..........................................................$11.00
1 40476 WP 40' 7' SD PS-1 boxcar
.........................................................$11.00
1 40501 PFE R-40-23 dbl herald reefer
..................................................$11.00
1 40602 N&W DD 50' PS-1 boxcar
........................................................$11.00
1 40604 COTTON BELT 50' DD PS-1 boxcar
.....................................$11.00
1 40804 ROCK ISLAND 40' AAR 10'6" boxcar
...................................$11.00
3 40808 C&NW 40' AAR 10'6" boxcar
..................................................$11.00
1 40901 ROCK ISLAND 50' SD PS-1 boxcar
.......................................$11.00
1 41101 ATSF steel reefer straight Line map Super Chief
.......................$11.00
2 41103 ATSF steel reefer curved map Grand Canyon
...........................$11.00
1 41104 ATSF steel reefer CL map Scout
.............................................$11.00
1 41107 ATSF steel reefer CL map El Capitan
.......................................$11.00
4 41109 ATSF steel reefer Ship & Travel
...............................................$11.00
1 41115 ATSF steel reefer SL Map SCOUT
..........................................$11.00
1 41403 ATSF 60' wood deck flat car
.....................................................$11.00
1 41404 Union Pacific 60' wood deck flat car
.........................................$11.00
3 41702P PFE R-40-10 dbl herald
..........................................................$11.00
2 41704P PFE R-40-10 post '55 Gothic lettering
....................................$11.00

CENTRALIA SHOPS
3 Undec ATSF early steel caboose kits
...................................................$23.00

RED CABOOSE KITS

2 2212 NP 42' flat car
..............................................................................$10.00

1 4431 NP R-30-12-9 wood reefer
.........................................................$18.00
1 4435 NP post '42 R-30-12-9 wood reefer
.............................................$18.00
2 5010 GN steel side GS gondola
............................................................$18.00
3 5018 D&RGW "Beet Service" GS gondola
.........................................$18.00
2 7086 Pennsy co. service '24 plate end X29
...........................................$16.00
1 7101 SEABOARD "Orange Blossom Special" '24 plate end X29 .......$18.00
1 8016 D&H 40' AAR boxcar
.................................................................$18.00
2 8026 P&LE (NYC) AAR 40' boxcar
....................................................$16.00
1 8053 P&LE (NYC) AAR 40' boxcar plain herald
................................$16.00
3 8086 LS&I 40' AAR boxcar w/o herald
...............................................$15.00
2 8903 WP ACF 40' boxcar w/ R+3/4 IDE riveted side 8' single door.....$16.00

RIB SIDE MODELS of Milwaukee rib side box cars-less trucks; KITS
1 4161 40' long rib "Rt of Hiawatha" boxcar
............................................$16.00
1 4223 short rib double door 40' bill board"Rt of Hiawatha" boxcar
........$16.00
1 4224 short rib double door 40' "Milwaukee Road, Rt of Hiawatha" ......$16.00
2 4261 short rib ph1 40' boxcar "Rt of Hiawatha-CMStP&P
....................$16.00
1 4361 short rib ph2 40' boxcar 4/4 IDE Rt of Hiawatha
..........................$16.00
3 4461 short rib ph3 40' boxcar plain 4/4 IDE Rt of Hiawatha
.................$16.00
3 4561 short rib ph4 diagonal panel roof plain 4/4 IDE Rt of Hiawatha....$16.00

LifeLike P2K

4 Pack of CB&Q Mather Stock Cars
.......................................................32.00
4 Pack of SLSW single door 50' box car
.................................................32.00
4 Pack of APOX 8K type 21 tank car
....................................................36.00
4 Pack of KANOTEX 8K type 21 tank car
............................................36.00
3 COSX 10K type 21 tank car
..................................................................8.00
2 CB&Q drop end 52' gondola
.................................................................6.00
2 EL drop end 52' gondola
.......................................................................6.00
1 P&LE single door 50' box car
...............................................................7.00
2 NP Mather stock car
.............................................................................8.00



PLUS CLOSEOUT of fat wheel Tahoe Model Works trucks

3 TMW 103 Arch Bar
......................................................................$5.50 each
2 TMW 106 Buckeye ARA 50-ton
.................................................$5.00 each
3 TMW 108 Coil-Elliptic 50-ton
......................................................$5.00 each
12 TMW 111 old-time 5' wheelbase Arch Bar ...............................$5.00
each


Questions???? Feel free to contact me off-list at <midcentury@sbcglobal.net>

Thanks,

-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Re: Foobies

Benjamin Hom
 

Clark Propst wrote:
"Reading about the Tichy tank car again gave me an idea. I have lists of tank
cars that we at the packing plant I model and have no idea what they looked
like. I might pick up a couple of the Tichy models and decal them with the
reporting marks I have documentation on.

What the heck, I will get the pleasure of building those kits and have real
reporting marks to boot."

Do that, and you'll guarantee photos of those tank cars will surface AFTER you
finish the models!


Ben Hom


Re: Foobies

Clark Propst
 

Reading about the Tichy tank car again gave me an idea. I have lists of tank cars that we at the packing plant I model and have no idea what they looked like. I might pick up a couple of the Tichy models and decal them with the reporting marks I have documentation on.
What the heck, I will get the pleasure of building those kits and have real reporting marks to boot.

I think I can live with that?
Clark Propst


Re: Foobies

jerryglow2
 

Isn't that the truth! And they came out how many years before those other highly touted ones who had the benefit of more research and technology.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


It's still the best engineered HO plastic tank car kit ever.
I love them myself; don't care if they are foobies. It's one
thing to assess the qualities of a model and say, well, it is
flawed in this way and that. That's just being objective. But
we can still love it. That's just being human.

Tim O'Connor


Re: Accurail 41' gon - WLE and NKP

jerryglow2
 

I have them for the NKP including the converted to coke service version. I could do a set for WLE if provided data.

Jerry Glow
http://home.comcast.net/~jerryglow/decals.html

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@...> wrote:


On May 12, 2011, at 11:00 PM, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

And, does anybody know of decals?

If this was answered later than Elden's post, forgive me, I have not
read
them all.
SGL,
One source is Sunshine Models. See the Sunshine list, kit no. 67 series.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


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Re: Foobies

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Denny Anspach wrote:
The infamous Tichy tank car....... Well, I love this model for what it is; I love it because it simply looks great; I love it for what it aspires to be; and I love it especially because something so small and harmless continues to cause so much consternation.... just by existing!
The irony is that if it had been honestly presented from the beginning, reviewers would not have been all over it for pretending to be something it isn't. But as Denny says, it looks great and is a complete pleasure to build. Shows what CAN be done in styrene--not that anyone else has come very close. (Unless you count the masters at Kadee. Their PS-1 is amazing too.)

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Foobies

Tim O'Connor
 

It's still the best engineered HO plastic tank car kit ever.
I love them myself; don't care if they are foobies. It's one
thing to assess the qualities of a model and say, well, it is
flawed in this way and that. That's just being objective. But
we can still love it. That's just being human.

Tim O'Connor

The infamous Tichy tank car....... Well, I love this model for what it is; I love it because it simply looks great; I love it for what it aspires to be; and I love it especially because something so small and harmless continues to cause so much consternation.... just by existing!
Denny S. Anspach, MD
Sacramento


Re: Accurail 41' gon - WLE and NKP

Ed Hawkins
 

On May 12, 2011, at 11:00 PM, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

And, does anybody know of decals?

If this was answered later than Elden's post, forgive me, I have not
read
them all.
SGL,
One source is Sunshine Models. See the Sunshine list, kit no. 67 series.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Accurail 41' gon - WLE and NKP

Schuyler Larrabee
 

And, does anybody know of decals?



If this was answered later than Elden's post, forgive me, I have not read
them all.

SGL





What was the number series of the ex-WLE gons when transferred to NKP? Were
they 45000 to 46749? How long did they remain in WLE lettering? Anyone know
of photos?

Thanks,

Elden Gatwood







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Re: Beautiful 1905 Panaorama

Douglas Harding
 

Clark I believe it is a variation of a stockcar, the "hatches" are actually
storage boxes used to hold feed for the livestock. This of course predates
the 1906 28 hour law, when railroads experimented with a number of stockcars
with feed and water facilities built into the car. The dark holes in the
sides of the car, near the floor, are I believe water troughs of some sort.
They were mounted in the sides of the cars so they could easily be refilled
and did not get stepped in.



Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org


Re: Beautiful 1905 Panaorama

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Todd Horton <toddchorton@...> wrote:

Whoops, Depending on what version of this photo you look at the "flume" could be
left or right. Any ideas what this is? Todd Horton

It's an incline railway. The elevated type structure was used to even out the dips in the grade. More phots here; scrool down to "Panel four":

http://www.duluth.lib.mn.us/History/CorianPanels.html

Since I'm somewhat familiar with Duluth, I'll be your tour guide...

The building with the round turret roof is the NP station.This building still exists, now houses the Lake Superior Railway Museum.

The Omaha Road tracks are in the foreground. Their passenger station was much less pretentious, and is just out of the picture to the left.

This photo predates the construction of the Soo Line's downtown terminal, which was one block up the hill, and one block further left from the NP depot. The hillside with the "Owl 5 cent cigar" sign forms a rocky shoulder that comes down very close to the lake shore (just behind the camera) and the space between the rock and the lake was already occupied by both the NP and CMStP&O, so the Soo had to bore a tunnel through the hillside to gain entry to downtown.

Dennis


Re: Beautiful 1905 Panaorama

Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
 

Huh. I don't dispute what you say you got for results, but the 10MB Tiffs
sure didn't do that for me; Shorpy's were much better. The LOC tiffs weren't
much better than the full panorama on Shorpy.

--
Thanks!

Brian Paul Ehni

From: Ray Breyer <rtbsvrr69@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 18:48:55 -0700 (PDT)
To: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Beautiful 1905 Panaorama






--- On Thu, 5/12/11, Brian Ehni wrote:
The panorama was made by reducing the original posts;
you can find those
here: http://www.shorpy.com/search/node/Duluth+1905
But the road number of that GN car is still illegible:
http://www.shorpy.com/node/6924?size=_original
Brian P. Ehni
As with virtually everything posted on Shorpy, you can find the REAL photos
at the Library of Congress website. It's not hard: usually, Shorpy saves the
images with their original LoC digital call number on them, so a search is
pretty easy. Alternatively, you can head to the specific collection (in this
case the period Panoramas Collection), do a keyword search, and find the
image:
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/collection/pan/item/2007662362/resource/
You can download a 10 meg Tiff file of the image, which is good enough to
lift specific car images (lots of them!) from the main photo.

The keyword search also gave me several other good freight-car related
images from the same basic location:
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/collection/pan/item/2007662309/resource/
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/collection/pan/item/2007662313/resource/

Use Shorpy as a quick reference; use the LoC site to actually save and study
images!

Regards,
Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


Re: Beautiful 1905 Panaorama

Ray Breyer
 

--- On Thu, 5/12/11, Brian Ehni wrote:
The panorama was made by reducing the original posts;
you can find those
here: http://www.shorpy.com/search/node/Duluth+1905
But the road number of that GN car is still illegible:
http://www.shorpy.com/node/6924?size=_original
Brian P. Ehni

As with virtually everything posted on Shorpy, you can find the REAL photos at the Library of Congress website. It's not hard: usually, Shorpy saves the images with their original LoC digital call number on them, so a search is pretty easy. Alternatively, you can head to the specific collection (in this case the period Panoramas Collection), do a keyword search, and find the image:
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/collection/pan/item/2007662362/resource/
You can download a 10 meg Tiff file of the image, which is good enough to lift specific car images (lots of them!) from the main photo.

The keyword search also gave me several other good freight-car related images from the same basic location:
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/collection/pan/item/2007662309/resource/
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/collection/pan/item/2007662313/resource/

Use Shorpy as a quick reference; use the LoC site to actually save and study images!

Regards,
Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


Re: Beautiful 1905 Panaorama

Todd Horton
 

Whoops, Depending on what version of this photo you look at the "flume" could be
left or right. Any ideas what this is? Todd Horton




________________________________
From: Mike Fleming <mrfleming@netzero.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, May 12, 2011 5:30:08 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Beautiful 1905 Panaorama

Clark,
Try this link.
http://www.shorpy.com/node/6924?size=_original


Mike Fleming
Superintendent, Bluff City Div. SER, NMRA
President Emeritus, Memphis Society of Model Railroaders
Vice President, Memphis Railroad and Trolley Museum Model Railroad Club, a 100%
NMRA Member Club

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Clark Cooper <csc@mchsi.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Beautiful 1905 Panaorama
Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 16:19:53 -0500

 
Thanks Bill.

There's an interesting GN car (can't make out a number) in that
picture, halfway left of center, spotted next to the Zenith Paper Co.:

Eight large roof hatches, a band of exterior side sheathing omitted
the length of the car, four small access openings along the sides at
floor level, and possibly a door on the end.

Anybody know what that car was used for?

-Clark Cooper

On May 12, 2011, at 3:36 PM, Bill Welch wrote:

The following link will take you to an incredible panorama featuring
many early freight cars: www.shorpy.com/node/9481

Enjoy!
Bill Welch



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Re: Beautiful 1905 Panaorama

Todd Horton
 

Excuse me, I meant upper left corner. Todd Horton




________________________________
From: Bill Welch <fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, May 12, 2011 4:36:43 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Beautiful 1905 Panaorama

 
The following link will take you to an incredible panorama featuring
many early freight cars: www.shorpy.com/node/9481

Enjoy!
Bill Welch
2225 Nursery Road; #20-104
Clearwater, FL 33764-7622
727.470.9930
fgexbill@tampabay.rr.com

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