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Video: Erie Railroad Carfloat Operations in Chicago, 1920

Andy Carlson
 

Here is a drawing made by the late Al Armitage of the WP car in early lettering scheme.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA
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On Monday, October 12, 2020, 9:30:10 AM PDT, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:


It seems there’s a Western Pacific boxcar on this float that is the prototype of the resin parts Andy Carlson was recently selling. It’s at the 2:20 mark.

https://youtu.be/eHCJPMATXrk

 

Is that a circular Feather River Route emblem on the right side of the car?

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

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Re: Video: Erie Railroad Carfloat Operations in Chicago, 1920

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
 

Eric,

Yes, that indeed is a car from WP series 15001-16000, built by Pullman in 1916. Most of these were rebuilt before WWII, emerging as stock cars, MW cars and cabooses. The survivors were renumbered 26001-26125, and mostly used in bulk plaster service out of Gerlach, Nevada. A few survived in original condition into the 1960s.

And yes, the round herald was standard on most WP cars at the time of the film. Attached is an example from the 16001-series boxcars (sorry it's a bit fuzzy). The more familiar rectangular herald appeared around 1930, first as an enameled metal plate on locomotives and then spread to freight cars, both painted occasionally as a metal plate.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 12:30 PM Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

It seems there’s a Western Pacific boxcar on this float that is the prototype of the resin parts Andy Carlson was recently selling. It’s at the 2:20 mark.

https://youtu.be/eHCJPMATXrk

 

Is that a circular Feather River Route emblem on the right side of the car?

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Donald B. Valentine via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 2:55 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Video: Erie Railroad Carfloat Operations in Chicago, 1920

 

Stumbled onto this video when taking a break for a moment this morning and agree, it is well worth watching having an actual date and place. I was surprised to find an Erie carfloat operation n Chicago

but there it is on a river with the continuous opening of several different types of drawbridge and diminutive tow boats that make those used on the Champlain Canal look large.

 

Cordially, Don Valentine

 


Photo: T&P Livestock Car 22098 (Circa 1946)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: T&P Livestock Car 22098 (Circa 1946)

Photo from the SMU Libraries:

https://digitalcollections.smu.edu/digital/collection/ryr/id/2745/rec/306

Scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Built 1929. Nice, clear details.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Video: Erie Railroad Carfloat Operations in Chicago, 1920

Eric Hansmann
 

I like the sheet metal covering some siding adjacent to the door. This shows up when the door is closed.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kenneth Montero
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2020 12:02 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Video: Erie Railroad Carfloat Operations in Chicago, 1920

 

At the beginning of the film, the bottom edge of the door on the Rock Island car was ragged. I don't recall anyone modeling that feature, even on heavily-weathered boxcars with wood doors.

 

Ken Montero

On 10/12/2020 12:30 PM Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

 

 

It seems there’s a Western Pacific boxcar on this float that is the prototype of the resin parts Andy Carlson was recently selling. It’s at the 2:20 mark.

https://youtu.be/eHCJPMATXrk

 

Is that a circular Feather River Route emblem on the right side of the car?

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Donald B. Valentine via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 2:55 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Video: Erie Railroad Carfloat Operations in Chicago, 1920

 

Stumbled onto this video when taking a break for a moment this morning and agree, it is well worth watching having an actual date and place. I was surprised to find an Erie carfloat operation n Chicago

but there it is on a river with the continuous opening of several different types of drawbridge and diminutive tow boats that make those used on the Champlain Canal look large.

 

Cordially, Don Valentine

 

 


Re: Deciphering a Conductor's record

Steve and Barb Hile
 

FWIW, the fourth from the bottom could well be RJOX 100 for Rajah Oil and Refining, they had such a car number in 1925.  Note that there is no number 100 in KOTX in 1925.

 

TIDX 352 makes sense for Tidal Refining in 1925.

 

What makes less sense is the shape of the letters in different lines.  The first letter of TIDX 352 sure looks like the second letter in RJOX 100, but, based on these surmises, they were different.

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of James SANDIFER
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2020 7:52 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Deciphering a Conductor's record

 

1923. I have used the Westerfield 1925 ORER to try to find ID but likely candidates like P&PU don't have car numbers that match. 

Steve Sandifer

 

On Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 11:03 PM, Steve and Barb Hile

<shile@...> wrote:

Steve,

 

Can you provide the date of the document, it might help pin some things down.

 

PHP probably equals Packing House Products

Contents of CB&Q 113493 probably Canned Goods

 

Thanks,

Steve Hile

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of James SANDIFER
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 10:29 PM
To: Steam Freight Car <RealSTMFC@groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Deciphering a Conductor's record

 

I have been transcribing a conductor’s record. There are a few things I have not figured out, especially his RR IDs. Please look and see if you can offer any suggestions.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 


Re: Video: Erie Railroad Carfloat Operations in Chicago, 1920

Kenneth Montero
 

At the beginning of the film, the bottom edge of the door on the Rock Island car was ragged. I don't recall anyone modeling that feature, even on heavily-weathered boxcars with wood doors.

Ken Montero

On 10/12/2020 12:30 PM Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:


It seems there’s a Western Pacific boxcar on this float that is the prototype of the resin parts Andy Carlson was recently selling. It’s at the 2:20 mark.

https://youtu.be/eHCJPMATXrk


Is that a circular Feather River Route emblem on the right side of the car?



Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN






From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Donald B. Valentine via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 2:55 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Video: Erie Railroad Carfloat Operations in Chicago, 1920


Stumbled onto this video when taking a break for a moment this morning and agree, it is well worth watching having an actual date and place. I was surprised to find an Erie carfloat operation n Chicago

but there it is on a river with the continuous opening of several different types of drawbridge and diminutive tow boats that make those used on the Champlain Canal look large.


Cordially, Don Valentine




Photo: Tanks Cars At Dow Chemical (1952)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Tanks Cars At Dow Chemical (1952)

A photo from the Science History Institute:

https://digital.sciencehistory.org/works/8p58pd41f

Click and scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Good close up view of GATX 24991.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: Tanks Cars At Dow Chemical (Circa 1950s)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Tanks Cars At Dow Chemical (Circa 1950s)

A photo from the Science History Institute:

https://digital.sciencehistory.org/works/n296wz501

Click and scroll on the photo to enlarge it.

Good close up view of SHPX 22774 & 22804

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Video: Erie Railroad Carfloat Operations in Chicago, 1920

Eric Hansmann
 

It seems there’s a Western Pacific boxcar on this float that is the prototype of the resin parts Andy Carlson was recently selling. It’s at the 2:20 mark.

https://youtu.be/eHCJPMATXrk

 

Is that a circular Feather River Route emblem on the right side of the car?

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Donald B. Valentine via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 2:55 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Video: Erie Railroad Carfloat Operations in Chicago, 1920

 

Stumbled onto this video when taking a break for a moment this morning and agree, it is well worth watching having an actual date and place. I was surprised to find an Erie carfloat operation n Chicago

but there it is on a river with the continuous opening of several different types of drawbridge and diminutive tow boats that make those used on the Champlain Canal look large.

 

Cordially, Don Valentine

 


Re: Photo: UTLX 69755 Loading Hot Rosin (Circa 1960)

Larry Goolsby
 

Bob, thanks for this interesting post. I've always had an interest in the Hercules Brunswick plant due to its business with the AB&A-AB&C-ACL. Years ago when I was researching my AB&C book I "heard" that the Brunswick plant had a large photo collection but I never followed up - perhaps some of these photos are what were in that collection. Anyway my interest in Hercules photos (and those of predecessor Southeastern Yaryan Naval Stores) was in hopes they would show any AB&A-AB&C stump cars (gons plus flats with racks) and other rolling stock there. Also always after additional photos of ACL's fleet of stump gondolas (modified USRA cars) although I've managed to do pretty well finding those. All these cars carried pine tree stumps that were dynamited out of the ground and taken to Hercules for processing. Per the web, it appears Pinova has the plant today - https://pinovasolutions.com/sell-your-pine-stumps.  

Larry Goolsby 


Re: Retractable Brake Staffs on Flat Cars - An Operational Question

Rich Yoder
 

Hi All,

  In as much as Dennis answered the question. I thought I would offer up a few photos that were used by the Reading Railroad to show customers that shipped  large items how their drop down hand brake feature worked on their gondolas.

Rich Yoder

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Re: Video: Erie Railroad Carfloat Operations in Chicago, 1920

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

Stumbled onto this video when taking a break for a moment this morning and agree, it is well worth watching having an actual date and place. I was surprised to find an Erie carfloat operation n Chicago

but there it is on a river with the continuous opening of several different types of drawbridge and diminutive tow boats that make those used on the Champlain Canal look large.

 

Cordially, Don Valentine

 


Re: Flush Door

Bill Parks
 

Never seen that before.  Looks like they used the locking mechanism from a reefer.  Would be intereting to find out more about it.


--
Bill Parks
Cumming, GA
Modelling the Seaboard Airline in Central Florida


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David Leider
 

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Re: Deciphering a Conductor's record

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Steve,

 

Could you also tell us where this train was running?   It appears that all of the P&P cars are empty.  Could they be returning home?

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of James SANDIFER
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2020 7:52 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Deciphering a Conductor's record

 

1923. I have used the Westerfield 1925 ORER to try to find ID but likely candidates like P&PU don't have car numbers that match. 

Steve Sandifer

 

On Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 11:03 PM, Steve and Barb Hile

<shile@...> wrote:

Steve,

 

Can you provide the date of the document, it might help pin some things down.

 

PHP probably equals Packing House Products

Contents of CB&Q 113493 probably Canned Goods

 

Thanks,

Steve Hile

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of James SANDIFER
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 10:29 PM
To: Steam Freight Car <RealSTMFC@groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Deciphering a Conductor's record

 

I have been transcribing a conductor’s record. There are a few things I have not figured out, especially his RR IDs. Please look and see if you can offer any suggestions.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 


Re: Deciphering a Conductor's record

Don Burn
 

What railroad is the conductors record from?  I know car’s went everywhere but the fact that P&P is obscure and that three different cars are listed make me want to know if it is some industrial or shortline that connected to the railroad the record is from.

 

Don Burn

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of James SANDIFER
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 11:29 PM
To: Steam Freight Car <RealSTMFC@groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Deciphering a Conductor's record

 

I have been transcribing a conductor’s record. There are a few things I have not figured out, especially his RR IDs. Please look and see if you can offer any suggestions.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 


Re: Deciphering a Conductor's record

Benjamin Hom
 

Doug Harding asked:
"Ben the CMSTP is on the list with a boxcar. Why would the conductor use a difference reference mark for the same railroad?"

See my previous post:
"My thought is P&P could be shorthand for Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul & Pacific, but I have my doubts for the following reasons:
- The reorg after the 1925 bankruptcy creating the CMStP&P occurred in 1928."

That data supports the above misgiving.


Ben Hom


Re: Deciphering a Conductor's record

Douglas Harding
 

Ben the CMSTP is on the list with a boxcar. Why would the conductor use a difference reference mark for the same railroad?

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Benjamin Hom
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2020 8:04 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Deciphering a Conductor's record

Steve Sandifer wrote:
"1923. I have used the Westerfield 1925 ORER to try to find ID but likely candidates like P&PU don't have car numbers that match."

My thought is P&P could be shorthand for Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul & Pacific, but I have my doubts for the following reasons:
- The reorg after the 1925 bankruptcy creating the CMStP&P occurred in 1928.
- The car numbers seem low for freight cars.

Still, it might be worth doing the cross check in the ORER to eliminate this possibility.


Ben Hom


Re: Deciphering a Conductor's record

earlyrail
 

P&P is not the PP&U
Checked Oct 1923 ORER and the car numbers do  not match

CG might be CGR Canadian Government Rail
But I find no matching numbers under Canadian National
Howard Garner


Re: Deciphering a Conductor's record

Benjamin Hom
 

Steve Sandifer wrote:
"1923. I have used the Westerfield 1925 ORER to try to find ID but likely candidates like P&PU don't have car numbers that match."

My thought is P&P could be shorthand for Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul & Pacific, but I have my doubts for the following reasons:
- The reorg after the 1925 bankruptcy creating the CMStP&P occurred in 1928.
- The car numbers seem low for freight cars.

Still, it might be worth doing the cross check in the ORER to eliminate this possibility.


Ben Hom

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