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Re: Hooker Chemical, Tacoma

Bruce Smith
 

Really Don? 

Try the S,S, Jeremiah O'Brien 😉  https://www.ssjeremiahobrien.org

There is one on each coast. Indeed each of these ships struggles, because they are now approaching 80 years old, and a ship build in 7 days was never designed to last that long.  Not to mention ANY ship requires significant ongoing investment (def of "boat" - "a hole into the water into which you pour money")

So no, no east/west bias to be seen here.

Regards,
Bruce



From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Donald B. Valentine via groups.io <riverman_vt@...>
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 6:13 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Hooker Chemical, Tacoma
 
     What a shame to cut up the Liberty Ships. I gather there was no interest on the Left Coast to restore one 
as has been done on the East Coast with the John W. Brown out of Baltimore on which crusies are offered or 
even just tours such as on the DDE USS Slater in Albany, NY or the USS Kidd in Baton Rouge, LA. IIRC there
is also a WW II flat top in NYC.

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: Hooker Chemical, Tacoma

Donald B. Valentine
 

     What a shame to cut up the Liberty Ships. I gather there was no interest on the Left Coast to restore one 
as has been done on the East Coast with the John W. Brown out of Baltimore on which crusies are offered or 
even just tours such as on the DDE USS Slater in Albany, NY or the USS Kidd in Baton Rouge, LA. IIRC there
is also a WW II flat top in NYC.

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: Erie RR track scale abbreviations

Jack Mullen
 

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 01:09 PM, lrkdbn wrote:
What would be some Erie track scale abbreviations ca.1930?
One of the great resources in the group's files is a spreadsheet  of many reweigh scale codes. You can find it titled "Station & reweigh symbols.xls" , or this link should the you there:
https://realstmfc.groups.io/g/main/files/Station%20&%20Reweigh%20Symbols.xls

Jack Mullen


Re: Rapido HO cars for sale

Nelson Moyer
 

Rapido announced a third run of their meat reefers, and they're taking orders for four packs with new paint schemes. The red Swift scheme is in this run.

Nelson Moyer

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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ted Schnepf
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 5:07 PM
To: STMFC <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Rapido HO cars for sale

Hello,

All this meat train talk had me check stock and can offer two Rapido 37' meet reefers. There is one Dugdale and one Wimp packing.

Also from Rapido is the NP 40' double sheathed boxcar, with radial roof. Four car numbers to choose from. Pre War version.

Contact me offf list for any of these cars.

Rails Unlimited
Ted Schnepf
126 Will Scarlet,
Elgin, Ill. 60120

847=697-5353


Re: AFE building NP car from LV Car

Donald B. Valentine
 

Hello Brian,

   Good to see that you are back with us!

My best, Don Valentine
   


Rapido HO cars for sale

Ted Schnepf
 

Hello,

All this meat train talk had me check stock and can offer two Rapido 37' meet reefers. There is one Dugdale and one Wimp packing.

Also from Rapido is the NP 40' double sheathed boxcar, with radial roof. Four car numbers to choose from. Pre War version.

Contact me offf list for any of these cars.

Rails Unlimited
Ted Schnepf
126 Will Scarlet,
Elgin, Ill. 60120

847=697-5353


Re: Adding some color to the fright car roster UP #57068

O Fenton Wells
 

I believe it was 1947


On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 4:53 PM Donald B. Valentine via groups.io <riverman_vt=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
    NIce touch with the replaced plamnk, Fenton. I've done that for years with box car and reefer sheathing.
No reason not to apply the same technique here. Your comment about white lettering raises a question,
however. When di the UP change from white to tellow freight car lettering? That's something I need to pay
more attention to with a cut-off date of 31 Dec. 1948, a eriod of many such chanes.

Cordially, Don Valentine



--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: Adding some color to the fright car roster UP #57068

gtws00
 

That car really turned out nice. 
George Toman


Re: Adding some color to the fright car roster UP #57068

Donald B. Valentine
 

    NIce touch with the replaced plamnk, Fenton. I've done that for years with box car and reefer sheathing.
No reason not to apply the same technique here. Your comment about white lettering raises a question,
however. When di the UP change from white to tellow freight car lettering? That's something I need to pay
more attention to with a cut-off date of 31 Dec. 1948, a eriod of many such chanes.

Cordially, Don Valentine


Erie RR track scale abbreviations

David
 

Here's a 1917-built car reweighed at "BFO":

http://lists.railfan.net/erielackphoto.cgi?erielack-12-09-19/X4529.jpg

David Thompson


Re: Poorly Secured Load?

Donald B. Valentine
 

   I'll go a bit further than Ron's suggestion that there is a "Do  ot Hump" placard, or will be before it
leaves town, on this load. Given the width of the tank, as evidenced by the inward taper of the tie 
down bamds, one wonders if this car wold be moved in regualr service or as a "High Wide" move.
The blocking looks substantial which might mean that the bands are perfectly adequate if their 
strength were known. Bob suggests the need for a third one. Where? In the middle? The ability
of another band in the middle would be badly compromised if ether of the end bands failed. I'd 
prefer to see a double band on each end if there were any doubt at all, which there is with me, 
about the two present but that may come from my 35 years of insuring railroads.

Cordially, Don Valentine


Erie RR track scale abbreviations

lrkdbn
 

Dear group.
I am currently finishing a Westerfield Erie Dominion Fowler box car. What would be some Erie track scale abbreviations ca.1930?
Thanks for any help you can give
Stay Safe!!!
LR King <lrkdbn@...>


Re: AFE building NP car from LV Car

Benjamin Hom
 

Tony Thompson wrote:
"There certainly is a prototype for a lot of odd things, but hardly 'anything.' And I will repeat my own personal mantra, that it's wise to model the typical and the commonplace, and restrain your modeler's joy in modeling the weird, the rare, and the one-off. That is, of course, if you are seeking to model reality."

"Modeling all of the exceptions does not make an exceptional layout." - John Nehrich


Ben Hom


Re: AFE building NP car from LV Car

Tony Thompson
 

Hudson Leighton wrote:

A 1920 Northern Pacific Railway AFE  5005-20 which calls for using LV (Lehigh Valley?) car as parts source for NP water car.

There is a prototype for anything.

         Actually, I think you need to rephrase that. There certainly is a prototype for a lot of odd things, but hardly "anything." And I will repeat my own personal mantra, that it's wise to model the typical and the commonplace, and restrain your modeler's joy in modeling the weird, the rare, and the one-off. That is, of course, if you are seeking to model reality.

Tony Thompson




Re: Adding some color to the fright car roster UP #57068

Lester Breuer
 

Excellent build Fenton.   Thanks for sharing.

Lester Breuer


Re: AFE building NP car from LV Car

Richard Townsend
 

Somewhere in my files I have AFEs from the C&S for converting or repairing (and keeping) wrecked cars from the PRR and Erie. Railroads were pretty skilled at squeezing out whatever value they were able to find in salvage.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Hudson Leighton <hudsonl@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Fri, Apr 10, 2020 12:29 pm
Subject: [RealSTMFC] AFE building NP car from LV Car

A 1920 Northern Pacific Railway AFE  5005-20 which calls for using LV (Lehigh Valley?) car as parts source for NP water car.

There is a prototype for anything.

-Hudson


Re: AFE building NP car from LV Car

Brian Carlson
 

Hey, they paid the Valley for it so might as well get some use out of it. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Apr 10, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Hudson Leighton <hudsonl@...> wrote:

A 1920 Northern Pacific Railway AFE  5005-20 which calls for using LV (Lehigh Valley?) car as parts source for NP water car.

There is a prototype for anything.

-Hudson
<5005-20.pdf>


Re: Hooker Chemical, Tacoma

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Tim,

Great photo, even if it is beyond our era. You can even see Hooker's 25T GE in the big photo (the on one of the tracks near the tank farm to the right of the photo). This locomotive shows in one of the other photos from the Tacoma PL Collection. And a Liberty Ship as a bonus. This is likely either the SS Woodbridge Ferris, or the SS Mahlon Pitney, both of which were cut up at Tacoma in 2010 after sitting derelict in Commencement Bay for years. 

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 10:27 AM Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Jeff Helm pointed out this SPECTACULAR industrial photo from the 1960's
but the Hooker Chemical
plant here was built in the 1940's and lasted through the 1990's (at
least that long) so I thought
it is worth sharing around. If my stupid mail program truncates the long
URL you'll have to paste
it back together to see it in your browser. :-\:-)

cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/utils/ajaxhelper/?CISOROOT=p17061coll21&CISOPTR=32743&action=2&DMSCALE=100&DMWIDTH=2848&DMHEIGHT=2210

===================================================

On 4/8/2020 3:05 PM, Jeff Helm wrote:
> Found the online photos, at the Tacoma Public Library digital collections.  Some interesting links:
> First two are the caustic tank car.
>
> http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/32346/rec/81
> http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/32704/rec/92
> http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/5536/rec/22
> http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/16060/rec/44
> http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/32743/rec/75
> http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/31462/rec/50
> http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/13399/rec/49
>


--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*




AFE building NP car from LV Car

Hudson Leighton <hudsonl@...>
 

A 1920 Northern Pacific Railway AFE  5005-20 which calls for using LV (Lehigh Valley?) car as parts source for NP water car.

There is a prototype for anything.

-Hudson


Re: Poorly Secured Load?

 

My WAG is those loads are so heavy, they stay on cars by shear weight alone. Only reason for the bands is to who knows what. ~}