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Re: CN bcr

Richard Townsend
 

I don’t have an answer to the question but I think Clark has come up with the best way of defining colors. People seem to me to be too exacting on color since they  weather, fade, grunge up in an infinite variety. And any road’s colors likely varied from batch to batch and shop to shop. Fundamentally they’re redder, browner, or oranger. And maybe marooner. 


On Nov 29, 2019, at 3:05 PM, Clark Propst <cepropst@q.com> wrote:

I’m assembling an F&C CN SS 40’ box car kit. I’ve ordered Black Cat decals and would like to know what shade of bcr the car should be? Reder, oranger, or browner?
Thanks in advance!
CW Propst

CN bcr

Clark Propst
 

I’m assembling an F&C CN SS 40’ box car kit. I’ve ordered Black Cat decals and would like to know what shade of bcr the car should be? Reder, oranger, or browner?
Thanks in advance!
CW Propst

New eBay listings

Clark Propst
 

Re: F&C

James SANDIFER
 

I discovered that by turning off my McAfee firewall it works fine. For some reason McAfee does not like them.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Edward
Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2019 10:36 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] F&C

 

Site could not be 'found', according to the pop-up message.
I'm using MS Edge with WIN 10.
Ed Bommer 

Prescision Scale Dirt Collector #31754 & Drain Cock #4852.1

Bill Welch
 

Shortly after my post about harvesting the Dirt Collector from the Tichy "KC" brake cylinder, my friend Bill Pardie sent me a message that Precision Scale had a Dirt Collector, something I had missed seeing in their catalog. i punched in the part number Bill gave me and found the part available on eBay from 
https://www.ebay.com/usr/j-tprantle

They now own the PSC parts line. Bill also sent me some package of the PSC Drain Cocks to combine with the Dirt Collector. Both parts are cored and I used some 0.010 Plastruct rod to join them. The attached photos i believe show what the parts look like and how I combined them.

Bill Welch

More ATSF Sk-O Questions

Nelson Moyer
 

First, thanks to all those who responded to the air reservoir question. The next issue I’ve run into is the type of grab iron on the bottom of the end grab ladder. Both the end drawing and photo of ATSF 68000 on page 111 of Stephen Sandifer’s book show straight grab irons for all five rungs of the grab ladder, however the photo of ATSF 68093 on the same page shows a drop grab iron for the bottom rung of the end grab ladder (four straight grab irons and one drop grab iron). Westerfield instruction state that the bottom end ladder grab iron is a drop grab iron, probably based upon the photo of ATSF 68093. Which type grab iron was most common for the bottom rung of the end grab ladder?

 

The only information on brake component layout is on page 132 of Sandifer’s book, and that drawing is for a Sk-3 car. The only Sk-O photos I have show only the end and right side of the car, so it’s not easy to tell exactly where the control valve and brake cylinder were located, or where the train line penetrated the center sill. However, a photo of the brake components and train line on ATSF  Sk-S 68970 appears on page 119 of the Sandifer book. While the location of the air reservoir, control valve, and brake cylinder are similar for both the Sk-S and the Sk-3, the location of the train line penetration of the center sill is different.  Is it safe to assume that the Sk-O and Sk-S shared the same brake component locations and train line penetration point?

 

Anyone remotely interested in ATSF stock cars, general livestock traffic and practices, or modeling stock cars will love Sandifer’s book. For modelers, the close-up color photos of remaining cars provides details on the brake staff ratchet and pawl, uncoupling levers, door hinges, convertible deck hardware, and many other details that you won’t fine adequately covered in kit instructions.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

 

Re: F&C

Bob Webber
 

Usually it's in need of a refresh/reload (F5 or the 3/4 circle or right click reload) OR it's a DNS issue - where your domain (and this happens often with Comcast) has issues resoling the name (URL) to the IP address.   Yet another possible issue is that because they do not have an SSL or HTTPS site, you may have disabled the ability to view "insecure" sites - and usually that's a construct of more "mom & pop" stores, where the checkout IS secure, but the web site isn't.  




At 10:55 PM 11/27/2019, you wrote:
I cant get F&C on the web. Is their website down or is it my security?
http://www.fandckits.com/
 
 
J. Stephen Sandifer
 

Bob Webber

Re: F&C

Bill Lugg
 

Works on Linux Mint Silvia using Firefox 70.0.1.  I haven't seen their products in a while.  It was interesting browsing through their product line.

Bill Lugg

On 11/28/19 9:35 AM, Edward wrote:
Site could not be 'found', according to the pop-up message.
I'm using MS Edge with WIN 10.
Ed Bommer

Re: F&C

Edward
 

Site could not be 'found', according to the pop-up message.
I'm using MS Edge with WIN 10.
Ed Bommer 

Re: F&C

Jon Miller
 

On 11/27/2019 8:55 PM, James SANDIFER wrote:

I can’t get F&C on the web. Is their website down or is it my security?

http://www.fandckits.com/


    Opened with IE 11, Win 10 for me.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
SPROG User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

Re: Photos: Long Island RR Gondolas In Concrete Mixing Service

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Bob and List Members,
 
I went and checked the LIRR entries in my Dec 1930 ORER.
 
The car shown in one of the original photos is LIRR 2793. This makes it part of series 2781-2899 with 55 cars. The ORER shows an inside length of 37' 9" and an outside length of 40' 2".
 
The PRR class XL boxcar has an inside length of 36' 0" and an outside length of 37' 1 1/2".
 
Therefore Bob is correct and I am wrong - these cars were indeed NOT conversions from PRR class XL boxcars.
 
Thanks Bob for clearing this up for us.
 
Claus Schlund

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 10:14 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photos: Long Island RR Gondolas In Concrete Mixing Service

I believe these are Rodger/Hart convertible ballast gondolas.

Bob Witt

See these examples:

Re: F&C

Riverboy
 

It opens for me fine in Chrome on the computer, but says "not secure".

Tod C Dwyer

On Thursday, November 28, 2019, 05:12:27 AM EST, Paul Doggett via Groups.Io <paul.doggett2472@...> wrote:


Opens in Apple but says not secure!!!
Paul Doggett.  England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 28 Nov 2019, at 04:56, James SANDIFER <steve.sandifer@...> wrote:



I can’t get F&C on the web. Is their website down or is it my security?

http://www.fandckits.com/

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

Re: F&C

Paul Doggett
 

Opens in Apple but says not secure!!!
Paul Doggett.  England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 28 Nov 2019, at 04:56, James SANDIFER <steve.sandifer@...> wrote:



I can’t get F&C on the web. Is their website down or is it my security?

http://www.fandckits.com/

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

Re: F&C

Tim O'Connor
 


opens up in Firefox and Chrome immediately


On 11/27/2019 11:55 PM, James SANDIFER wrote:

I can’t get F&C on the web. Is their website down or is it my security?

http://www.fandckits.com/



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: F&C

Douglas Harding
 

Works for me as well.

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dave Bayless via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 11:04 PM
To: Steam Freight Car
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] F&C

 

 

I tried your link and it came up just fine, Dave

 

Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE device

 

------ Original message------

From: James SANDIFER

Date: Wed, Nov 27, 2019 8:55 PM

To: Steam Freight Car;

Cc:

Subject:[RealSTMFC] F&C

 

I can’t get F&C on the web. Is their website down or is it my security?

http://www.fandckits.com/

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

Re: F&C

Dave Bayless
 


I tried your link and it came up just fine, Dave

Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE device

------ Original message------
From: James SANDIFER
Date: Wed, Nov 27, 2019 8:55 PM
To: Steam Freight Car;
Cc:
Subject:[RealSTMFC] F&C

I can’t get F&C on the web. Is their website down or is it my security?

http://www.fandckits.com/

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

F&C

James SANDIFER
 

I can’t get F&C on the web. Is their website down or is it my security?

http://www.fandckits.com/

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

Re: Photos: Long Island RR Gondolas In Concrete Mixing Service

rwitt_2000
 

I believe these are Rodger/Hart convertible ballast gondolas.

Bob Witt

See these examples:

Re: ATSF Sk-O Stock Car Air Reservoir Position

James SANDIFER
 

The SK-O had transverse air reservoirs.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nelson Moyer
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 7:45 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ATSF Sk-O Stock Car Air Reservoir Position

 

Thanks, Bill. I have Sandifer’s book, and other stock cars had transverse air reservoirs, so I surmised that the Sk-O would also have them. Different roads handled KC to AB brake system conversions differently. The CB&Q mounted all three components on the same side of the center sill on SM-16/18 conversion, and the air reservoir was in line with the center sill. It’s always best to ask, rather than speculate.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of WILLIAM PARDIE
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 4:53 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ATSF Sk-O Stock Car Air Reservoir Position

 

Nelson they were mounted in a travers orientation.

Very few Santa Fe cars had the reservoir mounted parallel to the center sill.  Most were cars with a Durea underframe.  I believe that the Bx38 war emergency car had the parallel mounting.  I'm not at home right now and can't verify that.

 

Bill Pardie

 

 

 

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

 

-------- Original message --------

From: Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...>

Date: 11/26/19 12:44 PM (GMT-10:00)

Subject: [RealSTMFC] ATSF Sk-O Stock Car Air Reservoir Position

 

I’m building the Westerfield Sk-O kit with AB brakes, and I’d like to know if the air reservoir was mounted in line or transversely. I can’t tell for sure from the right side photo of ATSF 68093.

 

Nelson Moyer

Re: Photos: Long Island RR Gondolas In Concrete Mixing Service

espee4441
 

This reminds me of a LFCD flat I photographed down in Durango circa 2006 or so. Very similar, I think their car was a bit newer but not by much since in Mexico the rules are a tad different (or so it seems). In this particular case it was hauling heavy granitic rocks, about 12-16" in diameter approximately. 

Neat photo, Bob!

Tony Pawley