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Re: Photos: Long Island RR Gondolas In Concrete Mixing Service

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 


Hi Bob,
 
That is a very nice photo find.
 
I think these LIRR gons - at least the ones with the fishbelly side sills - were conversions from LIRR or PRR class XL 36ft inside length boxcars. The boxcar structure was taken off, and only the fishbelly underframes kept. The sides were really side doors, and the cars primary purpose was to be used for trash service, carrying trash out of Penn Station New York. The design concept was that once you opened the side doors, workers with rakes and/or shovels could empty out the trash at a dump site by just pushing/pulling the trash load out and over the side edge.
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photos: Long Island RR Gondolas In Concrete Mixing Service

Photos: Long Island RR Gondolas In Concrete Mixing Service

Photos taken in 1912 from the Arrt's Arrchives website courtesy of J. S. Concrete:

https://www.arrts-arrchives.com/images2/ja610scan0022mixer1.jpg

Caption: These   gondolas   had   side   doors   which   opened   for   unloading.

https://www.arrts-arrchives.com/images2/JA620scan0023AUG12mix.jpg

Caption: Two   different   types   of   gondola[s]

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Photos: Long Island RR Gondolas In Concrete Mixing Service

Bob Chaparro
 

Photos: Long Island RR Gondolas In Concrete Mixing Service

Photos taken in 1912 from the Arrt's Arrchives website courtesy of J. S. Concrete:

https://www.arrts-arrchives.com/images2/ja610scan0022mixer1.jpg

Caption: These   gondolas   had   side   doors   which   opened   for   unloading.

https://www.arrts-arrchives.com/images2/JA620scan0023AUG12mix.jpg

Caption: Two   different   types   of   gondola[s]

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: Making Dents & Bulges in Plastic Cars - Techniques?

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

I could not recall this chap’s name, but his models were impressive. I saw them at a Chicagoland RPM event years ago. In addition to dented gons he had a flat car load of a rumpled-up covered hopper being removed from a wreck site. The tears and wrinkles were wonderfully executed. Despite a number of comments and photos here, I still don’t think distorted plastic looks like bent metal. Several modelers here have tried to represent the distressed gondola “look”, with varying degrees of success. But it still does not look quite right. Soft plastic still does not bend, dent, or crease like metal. This might be a good opportunity for some resin kit maker to offer such a decrepit gondola. The master would be hard to make, but I can’t see why the subsequent castings wouldn’t be acceptable. Perhaps just the distressed panels could be offered, for insertion into existing mass-market plastic gondolas. The panels could be made a bit oversized, so they could be trimmed to fit a number of prototype dimensions.

Part of the problem with the softened plastic method is that the bulges look like they were pushed-out by big air bags … they are FAR too smooth and regular in shape. Most real gondola bulges are the result of numerous small dents accumulating over time. They have a rough and bumpy texture, with occasional perforations. And, if modeled, the interior should have a matching appearance. Part of the problem is that the typical plastic sides are far too thick ... they bulge but don’t dent or crease. Perhaps 0.005” styrene would work better, but, then, why not just go to thin metal (see above) and get it “right”? I’m not saying this can’t be done in plastic, but that I’ve never seen it, in person or in photos, and I’ve seen MANY attempt it. I few have come real close, but never “quite” right.

Dan Mitchell
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On Nov 26, 2019, at 12:51 PM, David Allen <dallen@...> wrote:

Folks: The felloe Dan Mitchell mentions is Jeff Eggert. A while ago (October, 2003) Jeff showed his model of C&NW 742149 at a division meet in Two Rivers, WI. It is exquisite. He made new sides and ends of thin ,001 shim brass sections with styrene posts. I have seen a write-up somewhere, but I cannot find it now.

Be well.  Dave Allen

Re: Making Dents & Bulges in Plastic Cars - Techniques?

Jeff Eggert
 

While this topic is making dents in plastic car bodies, it is just one of the many methods to create a dented the gon.

As Dave Allen eluded to, here is the How-To:
http://www.yardoffice.com/RR/Modeling/howto/tangons.html

Jeff Eggert

Re: ATSF Sk-O Stock Car Air Reservoir Position

Nelson Moyer
 

Thanks, Bill. I have Sandifer’s book, and other stock cars had transverse air reservoirs, so I surmised that the Sk-O would also have them. Different roads handled KC to AB brake system conversions differently. The CB&Q mounted all three components on the same side of the center sill on SM-16/18 conversion, and the air reservoir was in line with the center sill. It’s always best to ask, rather than speculate.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

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Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 4:53 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] ATSF Sk-O Stock Car Air Reservoir Position

 

Nelson they were mounted in a travers orientation.

Very few Santa Fe cars had the reservoir mounted parallel to the center sill.  Most were cars with a Durea underframe.  I believe that the Bx38 war emergency car had the parallel mounting.  I'm not at home right now and can't verify that.

 

Bill Pardie

 

 

 

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From: Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...>

Date: 11/26/19 12:44 PM (GMT-10:00)

Subject: [RealSTMFC] ATSF Sk-O Stock Car Air Reservoir Position

 

I’m building the Westerfield Sk-O kit with AB brakes, and I’d like to know if the air reservoir was mounted in line or transversely. I can’t tell for sure from the right side photo of ATSF 68093.

 

Nelson Moyer

Re: ATSF Sk-O Stock Car Air Reservoir Position

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Nelson they were mounted in a travers orientation.
Very few Santa Fe cars had the reservoir mounted parallel to the center sill.  Most were cars with a Durea underframe.  I believe that the Bx38 war emergency car had the parallel mounting.  I'm not at home right now and can't verify that.

Bill Pardie



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From: Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...>
Date: 11/26/19 12:44 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] ATSF Sk-O Stock Car Air Reservoir Position

I’m building the Westerfield Sk-O kit with AB brakes, and I’d like to know if the air reservoir was mounted in line or transversely. I can’t tell for sure from the right side photo of ATSF 68093.

 

Nelson Moyer

ATSF Sk-O Stock Car Air Reservoir Position

Nelson Moyer
 

I’m building the Westerfield Sk-O kit with AB brakes, and I’d like to know if the air reservoir was mounted in line or transversely. I can’t tell for sure from the right side photo of ATSF 68093.

 

Nelson Moyer

Re: Lehigh Valley Composite Hoppers

ed_mines
 

Yes.

I found 2 photos of the cars you asked about - 14781 & 14001 - with black diamonds on a lighter colored (freight car red?) background.

Re: Making Dents & Bulges in Plastic Cars - Techniques?

David Allen
 

Folks: The felloe Dan Mitchell mentions is Jeff Eggert. A while ago (October, 2003) Jeff showed his model of C&NW 742149 at a division meet in Two Rivers, WI. It is exquisite. He made new sides and ends of thin ,001 shim brass sections with styrene posts. I have seen a write-up somewhere, but I cannot find it now.

Be well.  Dave Allen

Re: Evolution Of Delaware & Hudson House Cars

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

The ends of the cars in the photo's of the 27001 series are rather unique.  Did these cars also use the standard USRA  end?

Bill Pardie



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From: James Brewer <jim.brewer.3611@...>
Date: 11/26/19 3:13 AM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Evolution Of Delaware & Hudson House Cars

Bob,

Very interesting; thanks for the pointer.

Jim Brewer

On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 1:06 AM Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Evolution Of Delaware & Hudson House Cars

This is a link to an article titled, "Evolution of the 40′ Steam Era House Cars of the Delaware & Hudson" from Matt Forsyth's D&H Penn Division blog:

http://mattforsyth.com/?p=424

There are a number of photos accompanying the article.

Matt is a Proto 48 modeler.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: missouri Pacific DF2 Markings

mopacfirst
 

Steve, those are probably the 'return to' stenciling.  They would be at the extreme left of the car side, butted up against the end of the car above the grabs.  That was the MoPac standard location for this stenciling at the time these cars were built.

To my knowledge, there is no available decal for these.

Ron Merrick

Re: Car Classifications For Loads

Tony Thompson
 

Guy Wilber wrote:

From Coughlin’s ‘Freight Car Distribution and Car Handling in The United States’.  A book anyone with interest in the subject should have a copy of in their library.

     Perfectly stated, Guy. I have had a copy for years and still use it.

Tony Thompson



missouri Pacific DF2 Markings

StephenK
 

I would like to model a Missouri Pacific AAR boxcar in the38525-38574 series.   This car has the "DF2" markings to the upper left of the door.   It also has several lines of small type above and to the left of the reporting marks.   I have checked Microscale, Mask Island, and other to no avail.   Any ideas where I can get the markings for this car?

Steve Kay

Re: Car Classifications For Loads

Greg Martin
 

Guy,  

I agree.

Greg Martin 



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From: "Guy Wilber via Groups.Io" <guycwilber@...>
Date: 11/24/19 11:42 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Car Classifications For Loads

“Does anyone have a list or source I could consult?

Thanks.
Bob Chaparro”_,_ 

From Coughlin’s ‘Freight Car Distribution and Car Handling in The United States’.  A book anyone with interest in the subject should have a copy of in their library.

Guy Wilber
Reno, Nevada






--
Hey Boss,


Somehow I got deleted from this group in late May. I guess someone didn't like me. Jail is a lonely place.

Greg Martin 

Re: Car Classifications For Loads

Lester Breuer
 

Randy, “Thank You” for providing the link to read on line.
Lester Breuer

Re: Evolution Of Delaware & Hudson House Cars

James Brewer
 

Bob,

Very interesting; thanks for the pointer.

Jim Brewer

On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 1:06 AM Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Evolution Of Delaware & Hudson House Cars

This is a link to an article titled, "Evolution of the 40′ Steam Era House Cars of the Delaware & Hudson" from Matt Forsyth's D&H Penn Division blog:

http://mattforsyth.com/?p=424

There are a number of photos accompanying the article.

Matt is a Proto 48 modeler.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Evolution Of Delaware & Hudson House Cars

Bob Chaparro
 

Evolution Of Delaware & Hudson House Cars

This is a link to an article titled, "Evolution of the 40′ Steam Era House Cars of the Delaware & Hudson" from Matt Forsyth's D&H Penn Division blog:

http://mattforsyth.com/?p=424

There are a number of photos accompanying the article.

Matt is a Proto 48 modeler.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: Erie 78500 series boxcars

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I wrote to Brian that I am sure there were cars with BCR ends and black ends.  Model to a photo.  So now he has a photo to justify his modeling work.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of pennsylvania1954
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 12:27 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Erie 78500 series boxcars

 

I have sent to Brian a photo of 78601 privately. It shows a reweigh date of 3-57 and has a nice, new, shiny paint job so I assume it was painted 3-57, too. It is clear that the ends are the same shade of boxcar red as the sides.
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Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL

Re: Making Dents & Bulges in Plastic Cars - Techniques?

radiodial868
 

Aaron, that is one good looking gondola. Is that the Westerfield G22 twin-pak flat-Pack version?  I'm keeping your pictures for reference for when I build mine.
RJ Dial
Burlingame, CA

Re: [External] Re: [RealSTMFC] Making Dents & Bulges in Plastic Cars - Techniques?

naptownprr
 

Your gon looks good, Claus.  I've done something similar with some of my HO gons.


Jim Hunter


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Hi Bob,
 
I've done this in N scale to a gondola by lining the inside of the gon with several layers of heavy duty aluminum foil. Then use a small soldering iron to heat the inside of the gon and, when the plastic is softened by the heat, press to bulge it out a bit. Locate the bulge in the center of the chosen side panels, since that is typically where the prototype is most likely to have a bulge. I also dinged the top chord, simulating damage due to dropped loads or dropped pieces of scrap.
 
You can see the results below - the gon looks like it is on its last legs! Hopefully the link works...
 
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 
 
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Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2019 8:08 PM
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Making Dents & Bulges in Plastic Cars - Techniques?

Making Dents & Bulges in Plastic Cars - Techniques?

Allowing for differences in plastic composition and thickness in HO scale hoppers and gondolas, what techniques do those of you with experience recommend for creating dents and bulges in such cars?

I am especially interested in temperature ranges and choice of equipment used for softening plastic.

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA