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Re: Paint Booth

Schuyler Larrabee
 

It appears to, yes.  The plastic vent in the window pane shows no box car red or other colors.

 

Schuyler

 

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Paint Booth

 

A quick question…does the furnace filter retain paint particulates well enough so the exhaust, while still having an odor, will not color anything it blows on?

Charlie Vlk


Re: [bbfcl] CNW: A late use for a early SS box car

Lloyd Keyser
 

There were a small number of the SS cars that were insulated and had plug doors applied. This was done to keep wet Pulp from freezing  between WI paper mills. They were originally painted in the BR and standard white lettering. Later they got the Yellow and Green. These were on line cars.
Lloyd Keyser


Re: Paint Booth

Charlie Vlk
 

A quick question…does the furnace filter retain paint particulates well enough so the exhaust, while still having an odor, will not color anything it blows on?

Charlie Vlk


Re: Paint Booth

Rick Schoch
 

That's nice, Schuyler. It'd fit nicely on my workbench. And I have a pickup :)

Rick Schoch PRRTHS 8245


Re: a mystery use of at least one (possibly more) PFE reefer

Richard Wilkens
 

What's interesting is that the PFE car and the SP&S cars have no side stirrup step on the left corner of the cars or hand grabs. I thought by this time that was a requirement.

Rich Wilkens


Re: SP drop_bottom_gon and an SP flat

tmkprr1954
 

I will point out that the schooner does not have any sails on the booms/gaffs.  It may be that it is being used as a barge (happened a lot in their later years) and the rigging has been retained as cargo handling devices.  Stack could very well be a tugboat alongside, or perhaps boiler for steam winch on the foredeck (left of photo).

Tom Kane
Purcellville, VA


Re: a mystery use of at least one (possibly more) PFE reefer / Crown Flour Mill

Todd Sullivan
 

Here are two aerial photos from the Vintage Portland website showing the Union Station yards and industries.  One was taken from the southeast during the 1948 flood, and the second was taken in 1954 from the northwest.  You can see both Crown and Albers clearly in the second photo.  In the first, Albers is behind the Broadway Bridge which crosses over the station tracks and Depot Yard, and Crown is further away.  The low buildings between Albers and Crown were part of Portland's Terminal Docks, and one of them served as a paper warehouse, Waterways Terminals, for two paper plants - one up the Willamette in Oregon City and the other in Camas, WA.  The paper was barged from the plants to the warehouse.  By 1960,  Waterways had build a huge warehouse opposite Guild Lake Yard.  NPTCo pulled about 75 loads of paper a day out of it M-F and about 50 loads on Saturday.  It was such a large source of revenue that we alternated switching rights with the SP&S annually.

Todd Sullivan


Photo: SFRD 34786 (Rr-27)

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: SFRD 34786 (Rr-27)

A 1940 photo by Randall Mills from the University of Oregon Libraries:

https://oregondigital.org/catalog/oregondigital:df66xd06j

Note the curved line map, which is the original map style.

This car was part of the series 34500-34950. These cars were rebuilt in 1939-40 from Classes Rr-W, -X, -Y, -2, -3 and -4. There were 451 rebuilt cars but without fans.

There were another 49 Rr-27 cars in series 4200-4248 rebuilt in 1940 from Classes Rr-W and -X. These 49 cars received fans in the rebuilding and the four- digit car numbers signify this.

For modeling purposes there were still 118 of the original 451 cars on the live list in 1971 and 11 of the 49 fan cars on the live list that same year.

I would suppose most of these cars received the updated paint schemes beginning in 1947 and 1959 but I have no photographic evidence to confirm this for specific cars.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: O&C Boxcar 88280

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Also, a Cincinnati, Hamilton & Detroit box car at the end of the spur, a LONG ways from home.  Very short (i.e., not tall) car.

 

Schuyler

 

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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: O&C Boxcar 88280

 

Photo: O&C Boxcar 88280

An undated photo from the University of Oregon Libraries:

https://oregondigital.org/catalog/oregondigital:df738t96m

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: UP Boxcar 66597

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: UP Boxcar 66597

A circa 1908 photo from the University of Oregon Libraries:

https://oregondigital.org/catalog/oregondigital:df71zx890

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Description: "Freight car and short lumber car next to open lumber shed on SP Line in Dallas, OR."

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: a mystery use of at least one (possibly more) PFE reefer

Todd Sullivan
 

Crown Flour Mills was located more or less opposite Portland Union Station in Portland, OR - a little northwest, actually, as Albers Feed was directly opposite the depot.  In the 1960s, Crown changed to Centennial Mills.  When I worked for the NPTCo there in 1961-62, Crown and Albers Feed Mill were busy industries that got one switch during first trick (7am-3pm) and two switches during second trick (3pm-11pm).  The low structures in front of Crown were the loading docks which were accessed on both sides (street side and mill side), and the street side spur could hold probably 8 40ft cars.  The street side track was also used for inbound loads of wheat.  The cars were emptied with a scoop bucket on a winch, and then the remainder was hand-shoveled out, IIRC.  The wheat fell out of the boxcar door and into grates at pavement level, and then, I suppose, via a conveyor system into the mill.

Todd Sullivan


Photo: Michigan Central Automobile Boxcar 95861

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Michigan Central Automobile Boxcar 95861

An undated photo from the University of Oregon Libraries:

https://oregondigital.org/catalog/oregondigital:df72cn51m

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Of the several boxcars in this photo the MC car has the most detail.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: O&C Boxcar 88280

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: O&C Boxcar 88280

An undated photo from the University of Oregon Libraries:

https://oregondigital.org/catalog/oregondigital:df738t96m

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: PFE 9450

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: PFE 9450

An undated photo from the University of Oregon Libraries:

https://oregondigital.org/catalog/oregondigital:df71g635x

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

PFE 9450 is one of 3,021 Class R-30-5 produce reefers built 1909-1911 by Pullman. Seen in the photo are the "Bohn Standard Ventilator" hatch covers.

There is good coverage with photos of this and related cars in the PFE book.

The car is parked at the Pearson-Ryan Company Fruit Warehouse in Portland, OR.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: [bbfcl] CNW: A late use for a early SS box car

Tim O'Connor
 


Ed, you may be right - I don't know. The Dri-Protecto RB (no ice) reefers (series 19800+) were rebuilt from
double sheathed reefers, but there are two number series in 1959 I know nothing about - 19500 to 19539 &
19700 to 19799. See attached image from the 1959 Equipment Register for NWX.




On 6/4/2020 12:06 AM, Ed Pavlovic wrote:
I'm wondering if it was rebuilt if it originally had NWX reporting marks applied to it.  The paint scheme looks more like the ice and mechanical refrigerator cars owned by their Northwestern Refrigerator Lines subsidiary.  I wish the herald was a little more visible which might shed some more clues.

I thought the only boxcars to receive this scheme were the Omaha Road steel side rebuilds that Sunshine did offer kits for.

Ed Pavlovic


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: SP drop_bottom_gon and an SP flat

Todd Sullivan
 

I believe that the dock with the 6 masted schooner is at SP's lumber wharf on the Willamette River in East Portland, Oregon.  I also think it is more likely that the schooner would be loading lumber for Pacific Ocean ports.  There was a pretty healthy lumber trade using such schooners in the 1890s through perhaps the 1920s.  Also, the SP had 6-8 branch lines on both sides of the Willamette Valley that served many sawmills and lumbering operations.

Todd Sullivan


Photo: UP Furniture Boxcar 85352

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: UP Furniture Boxcar 85352

An undated photo from the University of Oregon Libraries:

https://oregondigital.org/catalog/oregondigital:df71fs37t

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Looks like there is a "Tack Cards Here" box painted on the door.

And this was the photo of refrigerator cars in flour service I mentioned earlier.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: a mystery use of at least one (possibly more) PFE reefer

Bob Chaparro
 

No real mystery as refrigerator cars did occasionally carry sacks of flour, as seen in this photo:

https://oregondigital.org/catalog/oregondigital:df71fs37t

Notice the third car to the left has flour sack visible in the doorway.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: reefer spotted there has PFE reporting marks

Bob Chaparro
 

On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 05:04 PM, Andy Carlson wrote:
it looks to be an end destination wholesaler. I could see the company offering items which are not meat related, such as select produce and other non-meat items being offered to their local clientele of meat shops and grocers.
Probably not. This is a meat packer's branch house. Typically branch house concentrated on wholesaling meat and sometimes making sausage on site.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: N&W Boxcars At Milling Company

Bob Chaparro
 

Really, really enjoyed the Museum's photo collection.
I'm on a local museum Board and I know how much effort it takes to maintain a museum and develop an archive.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA

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