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Re: circa 1946 freight car images

Tony Thompson
 

John Larkin wrote:

For a fan of details, note the single handhold on the first car versus the double handhold on the second.  These are two otherwise similar (in gross detail) cars and the picture is a great way to show the sometimes minor differences off.

     What's actually odd about the photo is that the cars carry the post-1946 paint scheme of PFE, with both railroad emblems on both sides, yet that single grab iron has not been updated to the two required, fully a decade earlier. In general, PFE shops were pretty vigilant about things like this, so the foreground car is a surprise.

Tony Thompson




Re: circa 1946 freight car images

Eric Hansmann
 

The second handhold on the left end of the car sides became a practice in the early 1930s.

 

I model 1926 and I need to remove the second handhold detail from many resin and plastic models.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2020 1:25 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] circa 1946 freight car images

 


And wouldn't that be a violation of the Safety Appliance regulations of the 1920's ??

I am amazed - thanks for pointing that out. The shop date is clear - dated 1950.




On 4/5/2020 2:14 PM, John Larkin via groups.io wrote:

For a fan of details, note the single handhold on the first car versus the double handhold on the second.  These are two otherwise similar (in gross detail) cars and the picture is a great way to show the sometimes minor differences off.

 

John Larkin

 

On Saturday, April 4, 2020, 11:49:12 PM CDT, john oseida via groups.io <xseinc@...> wrote:

 

 

There was a recently concluded eBay listing that had a number of images that might be of interest to the group including one of those not often photographed poultry cars:

 

 

Eight (8) b&w negatives of Vintage Freight Cars (PFE & Western Union inc...

Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Eight (8) b&w negatives of Vintage Freight Cars (P...

 

 

 

 

Regards,

John Oseida

Oakville, ON

 

 

On Saturday, April 4, 2020, 2:06:52 p.m. EDT, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

 

 



Thanks Drew for the clarification. I'd love to see this done. It seems to be an
almost forgotten art at least for HO models.


On 4/4/2020 11:35 AM, Drew wrote:

Tim,

   I worked in a prototype model during my high school years. We used lost wax a few times. First a master is made and a mold made off that master, the mold was usually RTV rubber. Wax was poured in to that mold to make a second master which did shrink a bit. That wax master was then placed in foundry sand and hot metal poured in to the sand mold. The wax melted/vaporized and metal took its place, hence the name lost wax. It's been 20 years since I last did that but I do recall there was a bit of shrinkage in each step.

Drew Marshall in Philly, PA

Modeling the pre-Depression years.

Sent from TypeApp

On Apr 4, 2020, at 09:15, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


As I recall, all Cal-Scale detail components were OVERSIZE because they were used
for lost wax casting! In that process the plastic parts are for the molds and are
destroyed in the casting process, and the shrinkage produces parts that are closer
to scale.

Or am I wrong? :-)

Tim O'Connor

========================================

On 4/4/2020 9:00 AM, Lester Breuer wrote:

A comparison of several manufacturers’ model brake component measurements to Westinghouse prototype brake component measurements prepared by George Toman was sent to me for my use.  I asked George to share his measurements comparison on my blog.  If you are interested in the  comparison measurements, they are now available on my blog I have to share photos and writeup of projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company. If would like to take a look please do at the following link:

 

http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/

 

Lester Breuer

 


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Anyone Want A First Generation SFRD Mechanical Reefer?

Charlie Vlk
 

All-
Why do an interchange freight car prototype that had a hundred or less examples?
Have we completely run out of missed cars with broader multi road application?
I don’t think we have many production single sheathed door and a half box cars and many of them had very long service lives and numbered in the thousands on many lines...and went all over.
Charlie Vlk

Don’t be fooled by the Lionel F3 syndrome- while a great railroad with attractive equipment, nothing else sells like it without Warbonnet paint....ATSF freight units sell about the same as high middle other roads. Even a ATSF layout might not “need” a scarce car that was quickly obsoleted.


Re: circa 1946 freight car images

Tim O'Connor
 


And wouldn't that be a violation of the Safety Appliance regulations of the 1920's ??

I am amazed - thanks for pointing that out. The shop date is clear - dated 1950.




On 4/5/2020 2:14 PM, John Larkin via groups.io wrote:
For a fan of details, note the single handhold on the first car versus the double handhold on the second.  These are two otherwise similar (in gross detail) cars and the picture is a great way to show the sometimes minor differences off.

John Larkin

On Saturday, April 4, 2020, 11:49:12 PM CDT, john oseida via groups.io <xseinc@...> wrote:


There was a recently concluded eBay listing that had a number of images that might be of interest to the group including one of those not often photographed poultry cars:






Regards,

John Oseida
Oakville, ON


On Saturday, April 4, 2020, 2:06:52 p.m. EDT, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:




Thanks Drew for the clarification. I'd love to see this done. It seems to be an
almost forgotten art at least for HO models.


On 4/4/2020 11:35 AM, Drew wrote:
Tim,
   I worked in a prototype model during my high school years. We used lost wax a few times. First a master is made and a mold made off that master, the mold was usually RTV rubber. Wax was poured in to that mold to make a second master which did shrink a bit. That wax master was then placed in foundry sand and hot metal poured in to the sand mold. The wax melted/vaporized and metal took its place, hence the name lost wax. It's been 20 years since I last did that but I do recall there was a bit of shrinkage in each step.

Drew Marshall in Philly, PA

Modeling the pre-Depression years.

Sent from TypeApp
On Apr 4, 2020, at 09:15, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

As I recall, all Cal-Scale detail components were OVERSIZE because they were used
for lost wax casting! In that process the plastic parts are for the molds and are
destroyed in the casting process, and the shrinkage produces parts that are closer
to scale.

Or am I wrong? :-)

Tim O'Connor

========================================

On 4/4/2020 9:00 AM, Lester Breuer wrote:

A comparison of several manufacturers’ model brake component measurements to Westinghouse prototype brake component measurements prepared by George Toman was sent to me for my use.  I asked George to share his measurements comparison on my blog.  If you are interested in the  comparison measurements, they are now available on my blog I have to share photos and writeup of projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company. If would like to take a look please do at the following link:

 

http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/

 

Lester Breuer



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Illinois Central 40' ss boxcar information

Bill Welch
 

that has has always been my assumption. I have several photos of this car and they all have the metal plate.

Bill Welch


Re: circa 1946 freight car images

John Larkin
 

For a fan of details, note the single handhold on the first car versus the double handhold on the second.  These are two otherwise similar (in gross detail) cars and the picture is a great way to show the sometimes minor differences off.

John Larkin

On Saturday, April 4, 2020, 11:49:12 PM CDT, john oseida via groups.io <xseinc@...> wrote:


There was a recently concluded eBay listing that had a number of images that might be of interest to the group including one of those not often photographed poultry cars:






Regards,

John Oseida
Oakville, ON


On Saturday, April 4, 2020, 2:06:52 p.m. EDT, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:




Thanks Drew for the clarification. I'd love to see this done. It seems to be an
almost forgotten art at least for HO models.


On 4/4/2020 11:35 AM, Drew wrote:

Tim,
   I worked in a prototype model during my high school years. We used lost wax a few times. First a master is made and a mold made off that master, the mold was usually RTV rubber. Wax was poured in to that mold to make a second master which did shrink a bit. That wax master was then placed in foundry sand and hot metal poured in to the sand mold. The wax melted/vaporized and metal took its place, hence the name lost wax. It's been 20 years since I last did that but I do recall there was a bit of shrinkage in each step.

Drew Marshall in Philly, PA

Modeling the pre-Depression years.

Sent from TypeApp
On Apr 4, 2020, at 09:15, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

As I recall, all Cal-Scale detail components were OVERSIZE because they were used
for lost wax casting! In that process the plastic parts are for the molds and are
destroyed in the casting process, and the shrinkage produces parts that are closer
to scale.

Or am I wrong? :-)

Tim O'Connor

========================================

On 4/4/2020 9:00 AM, Lester Breuer wrote:

A comparison of several manufacturers’ model brake component measurements to Westinghouse prototype brake component measurements prepared by George Toman was sent to me for my use.  I asked George to share his measurements comparison on my blog.  If you are interested in the  comparison measurements, they are now available on my blog I have to share photos and writeup of projects on my Minneapolis & Northland Railroad Company. If would like to take a look please do at the following link:

 

http://mnrailroadcab100.blogspot.com/

 

Lester Breuer



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Illinois Central 40' ss boxcar information

Eric Hansmann
 

Was the steel plate installed on the door when the car was reconfigured to a smaller door opening?

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro. TN

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2020 12:26 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Illinois Central 40' ss boxcar information

 


here ya go

On 4/5/2020 11:13 AM, Chuck Cover wrote:

Group,

Some time ago I purchased this NEB&W Green Dot Models, Illinois Central single sheathed boxcar kit that was partially built.  I am going to start working to finish the build but would like some information about the prototype. I am looking at the lack of diagonal on the panel to the left of the door.  Did this car originally have a door and a half?  What number series does this car fall?  Does anyone have a prototype photo?

It looks like F&C has a kit for this car, F&C #6270, and my kits instructions say go to F&C for replacement parts.

Thanks

Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM

Attachments:

 


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Anyone Want A First Generation SFRD Mechanical Reefer?

Tim O'Connor
 

Then I respectively submit that would be a poor choice for a small model railroad vendor
to try and bring out in RTR plastic. There are much better (easier to sell) choices. But
the pre-1960 world of freight cars has better coverage than the post-1960 world. Think of
it - 1900 to 1960 is STMFC, and we have now reached the 60th post-1960 year! :-)

Tim O'

On 4/5/2020 1:19 PM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io wrote:
Yes, this is similar to the previous poll I did.
And at the time my friend/contact worked for a different manufacturer and had the project on the table for approval. Then he and a number of others working in the model railroad division of this unnamed company were abruptly fired.
He is now with other company and they are looking to expand their offerings.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA
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*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: New Run: Rapido HO Scale General American Meat Reefer

poweredby251
 

MP 9003 was an SC built in 1937 with a Winton 8-201A engine.  The stacks were offset that way as built.

John Gadow
==============================================================================


-Say Tim, What in the world do the MOP do to that EMD switcher that moved the exhaust stacks off to the
-left side and radically changed the roof vents ahead f them as well? Talk abut the Rock Island's Christine,
-this is quite a rebuild!
 
-Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: Illinois Central 40' ss boxcar information

Bill Welch
 

Chuck, you may find some helpful hints here, in terms of detailing, scroll towards the end: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1-nypcLZ98glgHWBXCYKQqMpHY1UzwQON

I exchange perhaps you will detail your weathering techniques with Tube Acrylics.

I will be posting photos of my recently painted and decaled model soon.

Bill Welch


Re: Illinois Central 40' ss boxcar information

Tim O'Connor
 


here ya go

On 4/5/2020 11:13 AM, Chuck Cover wrote:
Group,

Some time ago I purchased this NEB&W Green Dot Models, Illinois Central single sheathed boxcar kit that was partially built.  I am going to start working to finish the build but would like some information about the prototype. I am looking at the lack of diagonal on the panel to the left of the door.  Did this car originally have a door and a half?  What number series does this car fall?  Does anyone have a prototype photo?

It looks like F&C has a kit for this car, F&C #6270, and my kits instructions say go to F&C for replacement parts.

Thanks

Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM

Attachments:



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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Anyone Want A First Generation SFRD Mechanical Reefer?

Bob Chaparro
 

Yes, this is similar to the previous poll I did.
And at the time my friend/contact worked for a different manufacturer and had the project on the table for approval. Then he and a number of others working in the model railroad division of this unnamed company were abruptly fired.
He is now with other company and they are looking to expand their offerings.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Sunshine B&O O-59A gondola - containers

Randy Hees
 

Coke would be more likely than Anthracite....  Anthracite was used in early iron making, but anthracite would require a hot blast, while coke (or charcoal) works with cold blast... Coke is also shipped in gondolas, or occasionally in stock cars.

Randy Hees


Re: Sunshine B&O O-59A gondola - containers

Randy Hees
 

Coke would be more likely than Anthracite....  Anthracite was used in early iron making, but anthracite would require a hot blast, while coke (or charcoal) works with cold blast... Coke is also shipped in gondolas, or occasionally in stock cars.

Randy Hees


Re: Illinois Central 40' ss boxcar information

Schleigh Mike
 

Hi Chuck & Group!

These cars were once frequent visitors to the WAG and B&O before 1956 bringing in green hides to the two tanneries operating on their line and on the one on the connecting C&PA.  There is a movie where three of these cars can be seen together.  Ted Culotta's article mentioned by Ben Hohm should provide all you need to get this job done.

Regards, Mike Schleigh in Grove City, Penna.

On Sunday, April 5, 2020, 11:13:25 AM EDT, Chuck Cover <chuck.cover@...> wrote:


Group,

Some time ago I purchased this NEB&W Green Dot Models, Illinois Central single sheathed boxcar kit that was partially built.  I am going to start working to finish the build but would like some information about the prototype. I am looking at the lack of diagonal on the panel to the left of the door.  Did this car originally have a door and a half?  What number series does this car fall?  Does anyone have a prototype photo?

It looks like F&C has a kit for this car, F&C #6270, and my kits instructions say go to F&C for replacement parts.

Thanks

Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM


Re: Illinois Central 40' ss boxcar information

Chuck Cover
 

Ben,

 

Thanks for the information and the reference article.  This is exactly what I was looking for.

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM


Re: Illinois Central 40' ss boxcar information

Benjamin Hom
 

Chuck Cover asked:
"Some time ago I purchased this NEB&W Green Dot Models, Illinois Central single sheathed boxcar kit that was partially built.  I am going to start working to finish the build but would like some information about the prototype. I am looking at the lack of diagonal on the panel to the left of the door.  Did this car originally have a door and a half?  What number series does this car fall?  Does anyone have a prototype photo?

It looks like F&C has a kit for this car, F&C #6270, and my kits instructions say go to F&C for replacement parts."

Chuck, in short, cars were originally automobile boxcars built between 1923 and 1926, and converted to boxcars in 1934 as the Evans auto loader made shorter automobile boxcars obsolete.  See Ted Culotta's Essential Freight Cars 17 in the November 2004 issue of Railroad Model Craftsman for more details including a build of this kit.


Ben Hom


Illinois Central 40' ss boxcar information

Chuck Cover
 

Group,

Some time ago I purchased this NEB&W Green Dot Models, Illinois Central single sheathed boxcar kit that was partially built.  I am going to start working to finish the build but would like some information about the prototype. I am looking at the lack of diagonal on the panel to the left of the door.  Did this car originally have a door and a half?  What number series does this car fall?  Does anyone have a prototype photo?

It looks like F&C has a kit for this car, F&C #6270, and my kits instructions say go to F&C for replacement parts.

Thanks

Chuck Cover
Santa Fe, NM


Re: Greg Martin

Michael Gross
 

Thank you for the update, Schuyler.  Greg has been a generous man and has been a great contributor to the hobby.  I will add my hope and prayers for Greg, wife Sandra, and his family.
--
Michael Gross
Pasadena, CA


Re: Southern FD 349012

Todd Horton
 

The bodies were cast by GSC. The C of G had 20 similar cars built for the General Electric plant in Rome Ga. These were probably built for the same customer as they both had access to the plant.     Todd Horton 


On Apr 5, 2020, at 7:51 AM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...> wrote:


Friends,

This morning while I was scanning up some Southern locomotives, I remembered this flat car which I shot in Charlottesville, Virginia sometime in the late 1980s. Probably because it was unusual, I took a series of photos, including a deck shot from the bridge you can see in the low level views.

The 15 cars in series 349000-349014 were built by Thrall in 1956, so they just make it into our period of interest. I present them for your enjoyment, approval, and possible use in modeling (nice weathering on the deck!). If anyone has need, I can post the ORER dimensions and note VV from my 1958 ORER.

Me? I have no use for heavy duty flatcars on my layout, an obscure fictional Southern-controlled subsidiary which has no customers that would need such a car. 

Yours Aye,

Mungo Napier, Laird of Mallard Lodge  🦆
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