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Re: railroad car ferry - was - Photo: Detroit Reduction Company Garbage Cars

Nolan Hinshaw
 

On Jun 1, 2020, at 12:57, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@hellgatemodels.com> wrote:

Hi Bob and List Members,

This site has plenty of great images – I like the one below a lot, handling a railroad car ferry, lots to see

https://digital.library.wayne.edu/item/wayne:vmc63165
For what her builders and operators called the largest railroad car ferry in the world, see <http://cprr.org/Museum/Solano/>, likewise with plenty of great images and text from the engineer who built the ferries and the shoreside infrastructure.


Re: Sunshine Kit #36.1 ACF 8,000 gal insulated tank car SHPX

Chuck Cover
 

Group,

 

I am working on this kit and had to sand the saddle portion of the tank dome to properly symmetrically fit the tank.  I am wondering if anyone can give me the correct height of the tank dome so that I can add a bit of styrene sheet under the top cap of the dome to return it to the proper height?  Thanks in advance.

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM


Re: Erie Boxcar Paint?

Bob Chapman
 

Schuyler Larrabee asks:
Which version of “ATSF Mineral Brown” should I be looking at?

The referenced articles suggest Floquil ATSF Mineral Brown, the only game in town then. Many more choices today, probably as many shades as on the prototype.    :)

Regards,
Bob Chapman


railroad car ferry - was - Photo: Detroit Reduction Company Garbage Cars

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi Bob and List Members,
 
This site has plenty of great images – I like the one below a lot, handling a railroad car ferry, lots to see
 
 
Claus Schlund
 
 
 

From: Bob Chaparro via groups.io
Sent: 1 June, 2020 14:58
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Detroit Reduction Company Garbage Cars
 

Photo: Detroit Reduction Company Garbage Cars

A 1912 photo from the Wayne State University Libraries:

https://digital.library.wayne.edu/item/wayne:vmc16556_1

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Car #19:

https://digital.library.wayne.edu/item/wayne:vmc16556

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: GATX 26452

Tim O'Connor
 


The car is damaged.

It's a General American Type 30. Nominally 8,000 gallons - I think.

Anhauser Busch manufactured corn syrup (and perhaps cane sugar syrup too) and corn starch as well as beer.


On 5/31/2020 11:28 PM, mopacfirst wrote:
This one's really interesting.  The side ladder appears to have collapsed.  But what's even more interesting is the, for lack of a better word, 'interim' dome platform, not a full level platform with railings but more than just side platforms.

As for the shipper, the chemistry is a little out of my reach -- is corn syrup a product or an an ingredient?

Ron Merrick

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Tim O'Connor
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Re: SLRX 4216

Todd Sullivan
 

Tim,

Thanks for the correction! 
I learned the difference from Brian Lippert's post of the National advt shortly after I made my post. 

Todd Sullivan


Re: SLRX 4216

O Fenton Wells
 

Here you go


On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 2:41 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
Can someone post side-by-side pictures of the National Type B and Type B-1 trucks? Pointing out the differences would be helpful, also.
Thank you.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA



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Re: Erie Boxcar Paint?

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Well, I don’t consider myself as a “expert,” but my default is, not having any contradictory information in hand, is black roof, ends, underframe and trucks.

 

Schuyler

 

BTW, I am assembling two Red Caboose / Des Plaines Viking Roof cars, pre-decorated kits, but revising many details, with .008 grabs and Yarmouth Ladders so a lot of additional parts and white dots from hole fillers have to be painted.  I’ve been wondering about just how I can most closely match the existing paint on the sides for grabs and the ladders.  Which version of “ATSF Mineral Brown” should I be looking at?

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chapman
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2020 1:18 PM
To: STMFC <main@realSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Erie Boxcar Paint?

 

I'm working on an upgrade of IMWX's 1937 boxcar kit, which I'll be painting for Erie. While there seems to be pretty good consensus on the red color as something close to ATSF Mineral Brown, the comments re which parts of the car are painted with black coating seem to be all over the map:

 

Speedwitch decal data sheet: for 1937 AAR cars, 1936 series as delivered -- red sides, ends, roof, and trucks. !940 series as delivered -- black roof, ends, trucks. "Some repaints appear to have used black ends and roof."

 

RMJ 11/89: 1944 AAR car builder photo -- sides and roof mineral brown, ends black. 

 

MRing 4/89 (Richard Hendrickson): 1947 AC&F 10'4" car undated in service photo -- ends and roof painted black.

 

RMJ 7/91 (Ed Hawkins): 1937 AAR car 1940 series builder photo -- ends, roof, trucks black.    

 

I'd welcome any comments from Erie fans/experts re most likely configuration for black in the early-50s.

 

Thanks,

Bob Chapman


Photo: Detroit Reduction Company Garbage Cars

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Detroit Reduction Company Garbage Cars

A 1912 photo from the Wayne State University Libraries:

https://digital.library.wayne.edu/item/wayne:vmc16556_1

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Car #19:

https://digital.library.wayne.edu/item/wayne:vmc16556

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: SLRX 4216

Brian Carlson
 

Brian did that yesterday in this thread. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Jun 1, 2020, at 2:41 PM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

Can someone post side-by-side pictures of the National Type B and Type B-1 trucks? Pointing out the differences would be helpful, also.
Thank you.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: SLRX 4216

Bob Chaparro
 

Can someone post side-by-side pictures of the National Type B and Type B-1 trucks? Pointing out the differences would be helpful, also.
Thank you.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Athearn Type-B (was SLRX 4216)

Jon Miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 6/1/2020 6:39 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:
list prices for Athearn parts are nuts now - but there are still dealers out there who
will give you deep discounts like 30% off

    I got some when they first came out, without wheel sets.  They say the new ones are all nickel silver which might add to the prices but for me it's a waste as I use .088 IM wheelsets.

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
SPROG User
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Member SFRH&MS


Erie Boxcar Paint?

Bob Chapman
 

I'm working on an upgrade of IMWX's 1937 boxcar kit, which I'll be painting for Erie. While there seems to be pretty good consensus on the red color as something close to ATSF Mineral Brown, the comments re which parts of the car are painted with black coating seem to be all over the map:

Speedwitch decal data sheet: for 1937 AAR cars, 1936 series as delivered -- red sides, ends, roof, and trucks. !940 series as delivered -- black roof, ends, trucks. "Some repaints appear to have used black ends and roof."

RMJ 11/89: 1944 AAR car builder photo -- sides and roof mineral brown, ends black. 

MRing 4/89 (Richard Hendrickson): 1947 AC&F 10'4" car undated in service photo -- ends and roof painted black.

RMJ 7/91 (Ed Hawkins): 1937 AAR car 1940 series builder photo -- ends, roof, trucks black.    

I'd welcome any comments from Erie fans/experts re most likely configuration for black in the early-50s.

Thanks,
Bob Chapman


Re: Vallejo Paints for Steam Era Freight Cars

Ken Adams
 

Vallejo is a delight to work with.  6 drops of 2 colors and 1 drop of Vallejo Air Brush thinner and I was able to brush paint an the ends and sides of an HO caboose I am working on. The paint leveled completely without any visible brush strokes. 
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Ken Adams
In splendid Shelter In Place solitude, about half way up Walnut Creek


Re: Video: Steam Was Great On The Nickel Plate

Bill J.
 

Thanks for posting that incredible footage.  Incredibly USEFUL footage.

I first noticed the variability in weathering on reefers, from shiny-new to black soot.

Those Berks were one of the best examples of Lima's Superpower concept.  Trains magazine, years ago, did a cost comparison between them and a diesel.  They were cost competitive!  HOWEVER!  Many-most RRs didn't use Superpower correctly.  Superpower-equipped locos were meant to do long runs at higher speed, exactly what NKP did.  The C&O's 2-6-6-6 were used in helper and drag ops, exactly the wrong thing to do.  Superpower appliances weren't at their best at low speed.  Irony.

The film had sync sound, so it showed how many times an engineer wouldn't do the full - - o - at grade crossings.  Some simply blew warnings, other stopped before the crossing, one didn't do anything.

Does everyone know how - - o - became the grade crossing warning?!

Bill Jolitz


National Type B/B1 Trucks was Re: SLRX 4216

 

Thank you, Brian,

It's wonderful to have that aha moment. Now I have better understanding of these trucks. Spent the night last night going over prototype photos of cars with National trucks.
I will be making changes to a fair # of cars using the P2K Type B's with a little carving and the addition of some TMW brake shoes. Frees up Athearn B1's to use somewhere else.
And now I will have a better eye when looking at photos.

Looking back in the archives, there are posts on the B/B1 trucks but I missed the full import of what was posted back then.

Dan Smith


On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 05:23 PM, brianleppert@... wrote:
Attached is a National Malleable and Steel Castings Co. ad from the Aug. 30, 1941 Railway Age, showing both their B and B-1 trucks.  A noticeable difference between the two are the bolster ends.  Also the springs on the earlier  B truck were larger diameter than usual and as the capacity increased so did their diameters, but the wheelbase stayed the same.

P2K/Walthers offers the B truck, while Athearn and Kadee sell the B-1 truck.

This afternoon I tried downloading this scan into both Files and Photos, but neither would accept new additions.  If interest in seeing it, just contact me off-list at brianleppert at att dot net.


Re: SHPX 161, a two compartment tank car

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

HI Tim,
 
Thanks for the additional information on this
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

From: Tim O'Connor
Sent: 1 June, 2020 09:20
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SHPX 161, a two compartment tank car
 

The 1970 tariff book shows sister car #160 3936 gallons + 5931 gallons (total 9867) with each dome @ 124 gallons.


Hi List Members,
 
Nice image of SHPX 161, a two compartment tank car.
 
I suspect this car may have been built originally as a three compartment car, based simply on the location of the two domes. Can anyone confirm (or deny) this to be the case?
 
 
The car looks o have a 1930 build date on it, on the right hand side of the tank
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schund


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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Tangent GATC 8,000 Gallon 1917-Design Radial Course Tank Car

leakinmywaders
 

Thanks.  You helped at the time with a photo and some thoughts as i recall, TIm.  It has a few little boogers, but turned out nice enough I've got another one in the lineup to do.

Chris Frissell
Polson, MT


Re: SLRX 4216

Tim O'Connor
 

Todd

Actually those are National Type B trucks - the original design. The B-1 is slightly different.


On 5/31/2020 7:42 PM, Todd Sullivan via groups.io wrote:
The trucks are National B-1.

Todd Sullivan

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: National Car Co. NX 6898

Tim O'Connor
 


I have that as a duplicate slide from the "Gerstley collection" but your image is much sharper!

On 5/31/2020 6:47 PM, Ray Hutchison wrote:
wonderful photo/find, Richard.

On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 5:39 PM Richard Wilkens <railsnw123@...> wrote:
Was busy doing some scanning and came across this slide of National Car Company NX 6898 taken in October 1956. I find the leasing info interesting as Fruit Growers Express owner lessor, National Car Co. Lessee Sub-Lessor, and Armour and Co. Sub-Lessee.

Richard Wilkens

Attachments:

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Sterling, Massachusetts

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