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Re: Wedge Plow Blades

Nelson Moyer
 

Charlie, if Shapeways has the N scale drawings, couldn’t they scale the blade for HO?

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Charlie Vlk
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 8:31 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Wedge Plow Blades

 

Tom-I have an N Scale Shapeways blade for the CB&Q car and would appreciate the photos as well!!

Thanks,

Charlie Vlk



On Nov 20, 2019, at 8:14 PM, Tom Madden via Groups.Io <pullmanboss@...> wrote:



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I this what you're after, Nelson? It's not petite! It's at the Colorado RR Museum and I took a break from scanning photos this afternoon & went outside and took some photos. Interesting arrangement for raising & lowering the blade. 

Tom Madden

Re: Wedge Plow Blades

Nelson Moyer
 

Yes, that’s exactly what I’m looking to model. Thanks for the photos. The flat car is either a FM-11 or FM-11A. The difference is that they were separate order numberx, so once they are renumbered for MOW service, there’s no way to tell which class they came from in a photo. The early conversions had a wood ‘box’ to hold the rock ballast, while later builds had steel plates for the box sides. I’d like to model the wood ballast box version as shown in your photos. Maybe your photos will inspire someone to do the CAD drawing of the blade for 3D printing.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Madden via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 8:13 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Wedge Plow Blades

 

I this what you're after, Nelson? It's not petite! It's at the Colorado RR Museum and I took a break from scanning photos this afternoon & went outside and took some photos. Interesting arrangement for raising & lowering the blade. 

Tom Madden

Re: Wedge Plow Blades

Charlie Vlk
 

Stupid iPad!!
Sent previous message and THEN the photos appeared!
Thanks!
Charlie Vlk


On Nov 20, 2019, at 8:16 PM, Tom Madden via Groups.Io <pullmanboss@...> wrote:

I this what you're after, Nelson? It's not petite! It's at the Colorado RR Museum and I took a break from scanning photos this afternoon & went outside and took some photos. Interesting arrangement for raising & lowering the blade. 

Tom Madden
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Re: Wedge Plow Blades

Charlie Vlk
 

Tom-I have an N Scale Shapeways blade for the CB&Q car and would appreciate the photos as well!!
Thanks,
Charlie Vlk


On Nov 20, 2019, at 8:14 PM, Tom Madden via Groups.Io <pullmanboss@...> wrote:



[Edited Message Follows]

I this what you're after, Nelson? It's not petite! It's at the Colorado RR Museum and I took a break from scanning photos this afternoon & went outside and took some photos. Interesting arrangement for raising & lowering the blade. 

Tom Madden

Re: Wedge Plow Blades

Tom Madden
 
Edited

I this what you're after, Nelson? It's not petite! It's at the Colorado RR Museum and I took a break from scanning photos this afternoon & went outside and took some photos. Interesting arrangement for raising & lowering the blade. 

Tom Madden

Re: Truck Color

Nelson Moyer
 

ATSF and CB&Q are two roads that used the term 'mineral red'. It comes from the red iron oxide containing rock ground into powder and used as a red paint pigment. It was available and cheap, so that's why so many freight car and barns were painted red. One story I've heard about the Q paint shops is that they mixed the pigment into the base 'by the handfull', which would explain paint drift between paint batches and between paint shops. On the Q, the red pigment was from Wyoming mines, so at least it all come from the same general location. Mineral red is a reddish brown color. Floquil offered a mineral red paint, that was very close to the ATSF freight car color. The best Q freight car mineral red is produced by Tru Color as CB&Q Freight Car Red.

Nelson Moyer

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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Lugg
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 6:25 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Truck Color

I see a lot of folks tossing the words "mineral red" around on this list.  What color would that be in terms a modeler (like me) would understand?

Thanks
Bill Lugg

Re: Truck Color

s shaffer
 

Bill Lugg writes:

I see a lot of folks tossing the words "mineral red" around on this list.  What color would that be in terms a modeler (like me) would understand?
To my eyes Mineral Brown is closer to Boxcar Red than it is to Tuscan Red.

Steve Shaffer
Las Cruces, New Mexico USA

Great Northern Railway Newspaper Ad: Post-War Boxcar Shortage

Bob Chaparro
 

Great Northern Railway Newspaper Ad: Post-War Boxcar Shortage

A link to an advertisement placed in the Minneapolis Moring Tribune, August 26, 1946:

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/31350702/star_tribune/

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: Truck Color

Bill Lugg
 

I see a lot of folks tossing the words "mineral red" around on this list.  What color would that be in terms a modeler (like me) would understand?

Thanks
Bill Lugg

On 11/20/19 11:35 AM, Nelson Moyer wrote:

CB&Q painted trucks mineral red, and there are many others that painted trucks their boxcar color. Probably  not good to generalize too broadly, especially in ALL CAPS.

Nelson Moyer

Re: Truck Color

Nelson Moyer
 

Yes, lots of variables, that’s why I narrowed the range somewhat from 1940s to 1953. Most of the cars I need truck color on are 1932 and 1937 boxcars.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 1:07 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Truck Color

 

Consider the era modeled, too. Some companies may have painted the trucks the car color before WW2 or 1930. After that point in time, the railroad may have received freight cars only with black or unpainted trucks.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

Re: Truck Color

charles slater
 

Santa Fe did, even in the 1953 painting book issued by Santa Fe they were painted with 1 coat of mineral brown.
Charlie Slater

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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Tony Thompson <tony@...>
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 11:36 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Truck Color
 
     There are likely other roads like SP, that painted trucks and underframes black before WW II but after the war, painted all that body color.

Tony Thompson



Re: Truck Color

Tony Thompson
 

Andy Jackson wrote:

Most RRs DID/DO NOT paint truck side frames so defects could more easily be seen. 

In the era of this list, I think this statement is incorrect. My impression is that most roads DID paint side frames. They were not routinely checked VISUALLY for defects.

Tony Thompson



Re: Truck Color

Tony Thompson
 

     There are likely other roads like SP, that painted trucks and underframes black before WW II but after the war, painted all that body color.

Tony Thompson



Re: Truck Color

Dennis Storzek
 

I just looked through my copy of the Soo Line freightcar book, and it reinforced my impression that the proper color for steam era freightcar trucks is GRUNGE COLOR. Plain journal bearings were lubed with oil, not grease, and it was a total loss system; that is, the carmen added oil, but never drained any out. There was no seal around the axle at the back of the box, just a wooden dust guard to keep dirt out of the box. The oil that worked its way to the back of the bearing was slung off the axle onto the face of the wheel, where it attracted dirt. This mix was then slung off the wheel, where it got on everything in the vicinity. After cars were in service for a few years, it's pretty hard to tell what color they were originally.

I seem to recall that Pullman-Standard painted trucks with 'truck paint', a thin bodied black. unless instructed otherwise. Other builders were likely similar. Some railroads specified that the trucks be painted body color, others, such as the Soo, didn't care, and new cars came with black trucks. However, the railroad's own shops saw things differently, and painted the trucks on re-painted cars body color, because it required no masking. So, one railroad, two different standards. In service, they all quickly turned the same color anyway.

Dennis Storzek

Re: Truck Color

Bill Keene
 

The Santa Fe specified during the transition era that new cars from the manufacture had black painted trucks. Repaints received mineral brown painted trucks. This most likely because it was more convenient for the shop forces. 

Cheers,
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA



On Nov 19, 2019, at 7:54 PM, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:

About ten years ago I built a large number of assorted boxcars, hoppers, gondolas, and flat cars for many roads, all from Branchline, Intermountain, Red Caboose, and P2K kits. At the time, I was clueless about truck color, so all of the trucks are black. Now that I realize that one color doesn’t fit all roads, I need to know the truck color for all of these cars, i.e. black or boxcar red. Is there a table of roads and truck colors anywhere? I can only afford so many color books, and I can’t be an expert on multiple roads. After ten years, I’m just now getting comfortable with CB&Q practice. To simplify my question, which roads painted trucks boxcar red? I’m modeling 1953, so that limits the range to wood DS and SS boxcars, 1932, 1937, and PS-1 boxcars, and misc. hoppers, gondolas and flat cars appropriate for my era.
 
Nelson Moyer

Re: Truck Color

Eric Hansmann
 

Consider the era modeled, too. Some companies may have painted the trucks the car color before WW2 or 1930. After that point in time, the railroad may have received freight cars only with black or unpainted trucks.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nelson Moyer
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 12:36 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Truck Color

 

CB&Q painted trucks mineral red, and there are many others that painted trucks their boxcar color. Probably  not good to generalize too broadly, especially in ALL CAPS.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andy Jackson
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 10:23 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Truck Color

 

Most RRs DID/DO NOT paint truck side frames so defects could more easily be seen. Back in the grease bearing days the trucks would be "colored" in grease & dirt. In the current roller bearing days the truck side frames are unpainted so are a rust color. But UP does paint their truck side frames but in their gray color.

Andy Jackson
Santa Fe Springs CA

 

Re: Truck Color

Nelson Moyer
 

CB&Q painted trucks mineral red, and there are many others that painted trucks their boxcar color. Probably  not good to generalize too broadly, especially in ALL CAPS.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andy Jackson
Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2019 10:23 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Truck Color

 

Most RRs DID/DO NOT paint truck side frames so defects could more easily be seen. Back in the grease bearing days the trucks would be "colored" in grease & dirt. In the current roller bearing days the truck side frames are unpainted so are a rust color. But UP does paint their truck side frames but in their gray color.

Andy Jackson
Santa Fe Springs CA

 

Seatrain Diagrams

Bob Chaparro
 

Seatrain Diagrams

Below are two Seatrain diagrams from the collection of Ralph Heiss which show how boxcars were loaded and secured in a ship.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: Truck Color

Jeffrey White
 

The IC painted trucks black.  However from 1947 through 1955 open top cars were painted brown and I've seen plenty of color photos that show brown hoppers and gons with brown trucks. I've never seen a photo of a brown flat car with brown trucks though. 

I honestly think it depended on what the guys in the paint shop felt like that day.

Jeff White

Alma IL

On 11/19/2019 9:54 PM, Nelson Moyer wrote:

About ten years ago I built a large number of assorted boxcars, hoppers, gondolas, and flat cars for many roads, all from Branchline, Intermountain, Red Caboose, and P2K kits. At the time, I was clueless about truck color, so all of the trucks are black. Now that I realize that one color doesn’t fit all roads, I need to know the truck color for all of these cars, i.e. black or boxcar red. Is there a table of roads and truck colors anywhere? I can only afford so many color books, and I can’t be an expert on multiple roads. After ten years, I’m just now getting comfortable with CB&Q practice. To simplify my question, which roads painted trucks boxcar red? I’m modeling 1953, so that limits the range to wood DS and SS boxcars, 1932, 1937, and PS-1 boxcars, and misc. hoppers, gondolas and flat cars appropriate for my era.

 

Nelson Moyer

Re: Intermountain PFE Reefer Issue

Bob Chaparro
 

"I'm trying to figure out what you thought that IM would replace your car WITH?"
That would have been up to them. Maybe they did have a car with correct stenciling, though not likely.
Maybe another product.
Maybe a refund.
It's an issue for the reasons others have commented...it's wrong and it requires a rework on my part.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA