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Re: Intermountain news in HO and O scale

Ted Schnepf
 

Hi Rob,

I got no tank car kits or RTR, but probably have a couple on the shop sheleves RTR. Shall I list?

All cars subject to prior sale.

here is the RTR reefer list
ART AMERICAN REFRIGERATOR TRANSIT ORANGE WABASH & MISSOURI PACIFIC 1EA
BREX BURLINGTON ORANGE CBQ HERALD 4EA
IC ILLINOIS CENTRAL YELLOW W GREEN STRIPE IC HERALD 1EA
MDT NEW YORK CENTRAL WHITE W RED & BLUE STRIPE NYC HERALD 8EA
NADX HORMEL ORANGE BILLBOARD LETTERING 1EA
NWX CHICAGO & NORTHWESTERN GREEN AND YELLOW CNW HERALD 3EA
PCG PACIFIC COAST GOLD ORANGE PCG HERALD 2EA
PFE PACIFIC FRUIT EXPRESS ORANGE ORIGINAL HERALDS- UP/SP 2EA
PFE PACIFIC FRUIT EXPRESS ALUMINUM ALUMINUM 1EA
PFE PACIFIC FRUIT EXPRESS GREEN EXPRESS 1EA
PURR PROSPECT & UPPER RIDGE OLIVE GREEN #720 1EA
RPRX RATH PACK ORANGE INDIAN HEAD HERALD 1EA
SRLX SWIFT PACKING RED BILLBOARD SWIFT 3EA
URTX DUBUQUE PACK WHITE LARGE HERALD 6EA

And the real deal is Peper Packing reefers, RTR, three cars for $30.00 total.

Here are ther RTR cars from IM. The list, has 4 double door boxcars all ready to run with Kadee couplers and plastic wheels.

The second list is the remaining single door boxcars, ready to run.

As in the past list, all cars are $45.00 each, and IM metal wheels can be added to any purchase for $8.00 per set. These are the entire pre-production, ready to run, cars I received from Intermountain and are from production about 25 years ago.
Contact me off list with your interests. As, was found out in the first listing, some cars sold out very quickly.

DOUBLE DOOR BOXCARS
C&O CHESAPEAKE & OHIO BCR 2EA
C&O CHESAPEAKE & OHIO BCR WITH BLACK DOORS 1EA
UNLETTERED BCR 1EA

single door boxcars
B&M BOSTON & MAINE BCR MINUTEMAN 1EA
C&EI CHICAGO AND EASTERN ILLINOIS BCR BUY WAR BONDS 1EA
CGFX COLUMBIA GEORGE EXPRESS BLUE NMRA 1994 1EA
DLW LACKAWANA BCR PHOEBE SNOW 2EA
DRGW RIO GRANDE WHITE COOKIE BOX 2EA
EJE ELGIN JOLIET & EASTERN GREEN AND ORANGE 2EA
LINDE LINDE GAS BCR 1EA
MEC MAINE CENTRAL GREEN W YELLOW HERALD 4EA
MON MONON GREY 2EA
NH NEW HAVEN BLACK 2EA
NH NEW HAVEN ORANGE 2EA
NP NORTHERN PACIFIC BCR LARGE NOMAND 1EA
NYC NEW YORK CENTRAL-P &LE BCR 2EA
READ READING RR BCR 2EA
SAL SEABOARD AIRLINE BCR COURTESY SERVICE 2EA
SOO SOO LINE BCR BILLBOARD LETTERING 2EA
SP SOUTHERN PACIFIC Pullman GREEN EXPRESS 2EA
SP SOUTHERN PACIFIC BLACK OVERNIGHT SERVICE 2EA
T&P TEXAS AND PACIFIC BCR 4EA
VIR VIRGINIAN BCR 2EA
WM WESTERN MARYLAND BCR SPEED LETTERING 1EA


Here are the Intermountain kits that I received in the warehouse cleansing a few weeks back. Most of these date from the mid 1990's. they are complete as IM packed them 25 years ago, with AB brakes, underframes, side ladders, IM trucks, and the other IM detail parts. the cars are of three types: steel reefers, 2 bay hoppers, and 40' boxcars both single and double door.

Now for a handful of two bay USRA hoppers:
Milwaukee Union Terminal Heritage car #5, one number, several cars $25.00

Now for the 40' steel 1937 boxcars. starting with the double door and then single door cars.
Undecorated DOUBLE DOOR, have 4 models, $35.00

single door cars:
Western Maryland, 4 #'s, BCR $35.00
Texas & Pacific two numbers, 3 cars, BCR $35.00
SP Overnight silver paint 1 car $40.00
Sunset Railroad Heritage #2, one car $35.00
Norfolk Southern ( original NS), 1 car #, 4 models $35.00
NYC pacemaker RED and grey, 2 CAR #'S and 3 MODELS $45.00
Monon grey three car #'s and three models $35.00
Hollywood and Western, heritage #9, 1 car #, 5 models $29.00
GTW blue 1ea $35.00
GM&O, red with winged shield, one # and 5 models $35.00
C&EI as built BCR 2 car #'s, 3 models $35.00
C&EI war bonds slogan, 4#'s and 4 models $35.00

Have fun building a quality kit during these unique times. Order several kits and get an additional discount. I take cash, checks or for credit my processor charges 6%. Also offer curbside pickup for local customers. For none local customers requiring shipping, please provide your address.

Rails Unlimited
Ted Schnepf
126 Will Scarlet,
Elgin, Ill. 60120
847=697-5353


On Sunday, May 3, 2020, 02:10:48 AM CDT, Rob & Bev Manley <robev1630@...> wrote:


Ted,
Of course, I'm interrested in the O Scale. Did you get any tank cars?
That Peper offer does sound good.

Rob Manley
"Better modeling through personal embarrassment"



Photo: NP Reefer 91725

Hudson Leighton <hudsonl@...>
 
Edited

NP Reefer 91725

Three doors no waiting.

-Hudson


Re: Carnegie Steel built some of the earliest 65 foot mill gons

CJ Riley
 


It was reported there is a Homestead in Utah where the photo was apparently taken.



Re: Tank Car Placard Locations

Dave Parker
 

This photo dates to a time (1920) where the requirement for placard holds on tank cars was just being phased in.  Prior, just about anything would do, including pasting a paper placard directly onto the tank as seen here. 

The new regs of 1920 required boards that allowed for the placards to be attached in the "diamond" orientation, but that was about it.  With time, the 1927 ARA standards specified the placard bards be in the more towards the middle of the car.  In October of 1932, the standard called for metal-frame holders that the placard could be dropped into.

I've never seen a standard for where the holders on the car ends needed to be, but they seem to be almost universally to the right of center.
--
Dave Parker
Swall Meadows, CAa


Re: Photo: UP Boxcar 74227

mopacfirst
 

While we're on the subject of sealing, someone asked about the taping of doors last week.  I didn't immediately think of duct tape (duck tape), which was actually a WWII invention, but it turns out similar tapes had been available for many years ("by the 1910s").

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duct_tape

For modeling purposes, I suppose the only reason we'd care is for the typical color(s) of the tape.  I've thought of white Prismacolor pencil, which performs ok on models to simulate graffiti, the fifties kind made with chalk.

In wheat country, that tape and its residue used to be very common on boxcar doors during and after harvest season.

Ron Merrick


Re: HO Tank Car Walkway Upgrades

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

Don,

Tony's answer was to both questions 😉

We've discussed this a number of times over the history of the list and it seems that there was some preference for the some platform to be on the left side when there was a single platform, but if you think about it, there would really be no rhyme or reason to how a tank car was delivered to the loading/unloading site, so a single platform car could just as easily have the platform on the "wrong" side as the correct side.

Regards,
Bruce Smith


   So Tony also stated in a private email on the second question,Bruce, but neither of you have yet answered that question. I absolutely agree that unless some tank cars with a single platform were turned for delivery
there is no guarantee that the single platform would always be on the same side once such a car was placed
on the delivery track. BUT....was the choice of which side of the dome the single platform was placed on with respect to the "B" end of the car really left to the buyer or did the builder standardize things so the it was 
always on the left, or always on the right, side of the dome when the car was viewed from the "B" end. Perhaps I didn't ask the question properly the first time but this is what I'm trying to determine.

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: Tank Car Placard Locations

Dennis Storzek
 

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 09:40 AM, Ted Schnepf wrote:
there are no reporting marks on the car. They must be inplant storage only.
I see the UTLX, just above the number, which has been stenciled on a paint patch. We had a long discussion a couple months ago on the effect of orthochromatic film on certain colors, and the Union Tank Line scheme was one where the lettering seems to disappear. Note how difficult the lettering is to see on the car to the right, but no evidence of paint patches on that car.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Photo: UP Boxcar 74227

Bruce Smith
 

Bob,

That door on the end of the car is more properly known as a "lumber door". It was used, not to inspect cargo, but to load lumber that was too long to load through the side doors.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...>
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 11:35 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: UP Boxcar 74227
 

Photo: UP Boxcar 74227

A 1924 photo from the University of Utah Library:

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/details?id=537635&q=%28%28oil%29+AND+%28railroad%29%29

An end view of this boxcar at Sperry Flour, showing the paper lining around the inspection door.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Tank Car Placard Locations

Bruce Smith
 

Ted, Bob,

Au contraire!  This car bears the reporting marks UTLX 5274. Close study indicates that the black behind the number has more recently been repainted.

The difficulty seeing the reporting marks may be due to the use of othrochromatic film, which does not differentiate between yellow and black well.

As for the placards, this UTLX type X car (full length center sill) has 4 placards in what I regard as the standard UTLX location for these medium height walkway cars, and that is hanging off the bottom of the running boards. This builder's photo show this same location.

I cannot find any photographs showing any markings in the two end-of-tank locations that you are speculating might have been placards. Neither location has appropriate holes/rivets for attachments. These appear to be painted markings and not placards.

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, Al


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Ted Schnepf <railsunl@...>
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 11:40 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Tank Car Placard Locations
 
Hi Bob,

there are no repeorting marks on the car. They must be inplant storage only.

Ted Schnepf
126 Will Scarlet,
Elgin, Ill. 60120


847=697-5353

On Sunday, May 3, 2020, 11:36:52 AM CDT, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:


Tank Car Placard Locations

A 1920 photo from the University of Utah Library:

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/details?id=539303&page=2&facet_format_t=%22image%2Fjpeg%22&q=%28%28oil%29+AND+%28railroad%29%29

I found this photo interesting from the standpoint of placard locations. On this tank car there are two previous and one current location for the placard.

Am I correct to assume there was no requirement or recommendation as to where to place the placard on the end of a tank car?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Carnegie Steel built some of the earliest 65 foot mill gons

mopacfirst
 

This collection was from a Utah photographer, so we can infer the photos were taken somewhere around there.  https://www.questia.com/magazine/1P3-94922271/a-photographic-saga-utah-and-the-shipler-family 

The CSCO car appears to have proper ARA/MCB lettering to be suitable for interchange, so it may well have delivered a load of bar from Pittsburgh to this laydown yard.  It's not obvious if this is deformed rebar, or just long rolled bar.  Some of it might even be a bit shiny.  At all events, it's not lumber and it doesn't appear to me to be a labor dispute, maybe more like 'look how long this car is'.  But anything is possible if a researcher applies text that was not on the original artifact.

Ron Merrick


Re: Carnegie Steel built some of the earliest 65 foot mill gons

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi Eric and List Members,
 
The car sez HOMESTEAD WORKS on it, this indicates Homestead Steel Works which was bought up and integrated into Carnegie Steel.
 
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

From: Eric Hansmann
Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2020 5:01 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Carnegie Steel built some of the earliest 65 foot mill gons
 
Could it be Cambria Steel? They also built freight cars. 


Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On May 2, 2020, at 1:02 PM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) <claus@...> wrote:

Hi List Members,
 
I believe it was Carnegie Steel that built some of the earliest 65 foot mill gons for their own internal plant use. It was the success of these gons that quickly convinced the railroads to buy similar cars.
 
These two images linked below illustrate the car CSCO 534 nicely...
 
 
 
As I recall, one of the TSC books had an image of one of these cars, for those in search of yet one more image.
 
I suspect the CSCO 65 foot gons may not have been used interchange service, and perhaps never left the plant. Can anyone on the list confirm or deny this?
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: Photo: LV Boxcar 62182 With Weed Chains Load

Charles Peck
 

Snow chains were invented by Harry Weed in 1904.
Chuck Peck

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 12:46 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: LV Boxcar 62182 With Weed Chains Load

A 1915 photo from the Utah State Historical Society:

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/ark:/87278/s6891hs0

From the text on the banner I guess those folks in Utah had been using their electric weed-whackers before this car arrived, assuming that earlier they had received a carload of extension cords.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: UP Boxcar 74227

Jon Miller
 

On 5/3/2020 9:35 AM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io wrote:
An end view of this boxcar at Sperry Flour, showing the paper lining around the inspection door.

    Also another good picture of a gas truck.  Make?

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Photo: LV Boxcar 62182 With Weed Chains Load

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: LV Boxcar 62182 With Weed Chains Load

A 1915 photo from the Utah State Historical Society:

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/ark:/87278/s6891hs0

From the text on the banner I guess those folks in Utah had been using their electric weed-whackers before this car arrived, assuming that earlier they had received a carload of extension cords.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Tank Car Placard Locations

Ted Schnepf
 

Hi Bob,

there are no repeorting marks on the car. They must be inplant storage only.

Ted Schnepf
126 Will Scarlet,
Elgin, Ill. 60120


847=697-5353

On Sunday, May 3, 2020, 11:36:52 AM CDT, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:


Tank Car Placard Locations

A 1920 photo from the University of Utah Library:

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/details?id=539303&page=2&facet_format_t=%22image%2Fjpeg%22&q=%28%28oil%29+AND+%28railroad%29%29

I found this photo interesting from the standpoint of placard locations. On this tank car there are two previous and one current location for the placard.

Am I correct to assume there was no requirement or recommendation as to where to place the placard on the end of a tank car?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Tank Car Placard Locations

Bob Chaparro
 

Tank Car Placard Locations

A 1920 photo from the University of Utah Library:

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/details?id=539303&page=2&facet_format_t=%22image%2Fjpeg%22&q=%28%28oil%29+AND+%28railroad%29%29

I found this photo interesting from the standpoint of placard locations. On this tank car there are two previous and one current location for the placard.

Am I correct to assume there was no requirement or recommendation as to where to place the placard on the end of a tank car?

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Photo: UP Boxcar 74227

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: UP Boxcar 74227

A 1924 photo from the University of Utah Library:

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/details?id=537635&q=%28%28oil%29+AND+%28railroad%29%29

An end view of this boxcar at Sperry Flour, showing the paper lining around the inspection door.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Speaking of rivets

Tim O'Connor
 


Mylar is thinner, safer, and holds rivet impressions. And much cheaper, per square inch.
And easy to cut with a knife or scissors.


On 5/3/2020 8:45 AM, Lester Breuer wrote:
The photo 
Lester Breuer

Attachments:



--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: I’m trying to make out the owning road

Brian Termunde
 

And as it is today . . . 


I've gone by this place dozen's, if not hundreds of time, and it looks like I'll need to again

Take Care,
 
Brian R. Termunde
Midvale, Utah

Re: I’m trying to make out the owning road
From: Lee
Date: Sat, 02 May 2020 15:37:53 PDT
An online search brings up this image from Salt Lake City. 

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/ark:/87278/s60s039q 


Lee Stoermer
Aldie, VA


Re: Photo: Pullman Company Boxcar PLM X2023

Bruce Smith
 

I believe that Pullman used them as demonstrators in order to sell railroads on their features. Some may also have been used as test cars to see how some features functioned in real life use.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


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Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 6:39 PM
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Pullman Company Boxcar PLM X2023
 
What were these used for?


On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 6:27 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: Pullman Company Boxcar PLM X2023

A 1940 builder's photo from the Illinois Digital Archives:

http://www.idaillinois.org/cdm/compoundobject/collection/pshs/id/19536/rec/72

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

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