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Re: PRR 254288

Clark Propst
 

Thanks Ben and Bruce! If we ever get to go to swap meets again I can tell my 60s modeler friends they can buy one of those neat looking C hoppers.

I doubt there's anyway of know why the car was in Randolph, or what it brought. Randolph was a pickup point on the line from Minneapolis to Oelwein. The CGW had line running east to RedWing and west as far as Mankato through Northfield with connections with the MN&S there. The MN&S had trackage rights over to Randolph because of all the Canadian and NW traffic funneled to them in the Twin Cities.

My wife is just starting on a months worth of train lists for the Minn-Oelwein train #90, which was a pretty long train 150~ cars. It will be interesting to see if there are any more of those hoppers?
CW Propst


FW: [RealSTMFC] More C&O MW Cars

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I am just reposting Garth’s message from yesterday WITH images attached.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 11:27 AM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io; Garth Groff <mallardlodge1000@...>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] More C&O MW Cars

 

Friends,

 

I have attached another clutch of C&O maintenance-of-way cars to share, along with what I think is their original class information from Carl Shaver's FREIGHT CAR EQUIPMENT OF THE CHESAPEAKE & OHIO RAILWAY, AUGUST 1, 1937. All these cars were photographed by myself around 1985-86.

 

910102 appears to be another of the Hocking Valley 82000-83999 series. These were built by Illinois Car and Manufacturing Co. or Pullman in 1924-25, and came to the C&O by merger in 1930. Some 608 cars from Illinois Car , and 136 from Pullman were rebuilt with steel sides and single 6' doors in 1941, becoming 12392-12999 and 13000-13135 respectively. This one was found in Charlottesville.

 

X-1299 is also from Hocking Valley 82000-83999. In 1941 169 Illinois cars received steel sides and 10' double steel doors to became 12000-12168. Another 271 Pullman cars received the same upgrades in 1942, becoming 13558-13828. Note that both series retained the rather odd small door on the right as seen on the original wood-sided cars. I think this car was 13728 before conversion to MW service. It was photographed at Gordonsville while awaiting scrapping.

 

X-1218 came from series 9500-9999, built by Pressed Steel Car Co. in 1930. They had only an 8' 7 1/2" IH. They builder's photo in Shaver's book showed they were not lettered as automobile cars, though end doors clearly mark them as intended for that service. They were quickly made obsolete by larger autos and Evans racks. Shaver notes many were converted to MW service, where their end doors were greatly appreciated for handling service equipment. The attached photo was also from Gordonsville. A few months back I posted a photo of one of these in revenue service in a Nelson & Albemarle train behind their new 44-ton diesel in 1951.

 

910217 was from series 84230-84729, or 84730-86499, from which the first group were renumbered when they received 6' steel doors in 1935. The bulk of the second group also received steel doors by 1937, though their openings were only 5' 6" and they kept their previous numbers. This is the only 37' C&O MW car I ever found. It was photographed by itself on a stub spur at Stapleton, Virginia (not far from Gladstone) in 1986. At least I think this was Stapleton. The Stapleton depot was across the road, though not on its original foundations and perched on a small hill. This depot was later moved to Lynchburg's Old City Cemetery, where it is lovingly preserved as a museum. Perhaps this car is also hiding somewhere awaiting preservation. I sure hope so. As a final note, all the cars in both classes were retired by 1952, or downgraded to MW service, probably because they still had K-brakes.

 

I should have more interesting C&O MW cars for you next week, including former troop sleepers.

 

Yours Aye,

 

 

Garth Groff  🦆

 


Re: More C&O MW Cars

Schuyler Larrabee
 

For some reason, on an increasing number of messages, the “attached” images have been turned into links, which are at the bottom of the message.  Scroll down.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ben Sullivan
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 7:26 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] More C&O MW Cars

 

Is it just me or can anyone else not see the attached images? Recently a few seemingly random messages have had images attached that I cannot see, but replies that indicate the contrary. Just curious. Thanks!
--
Ben Sullivan
Brookeville, MD


Re: Where did the photos go??

Edward
 

I am the Moderator that manages the Files and Photos sections for eh B&O group. 
When it moved from Yahoo, its collection of 5,200+ photos went over two or  three moves.
I sorted them all out and put hem in subject albums for easier reference.
There were many duplicates, triplicates and quadruplicates of the same photo.
Removing them reduced the size of that huge batch of photos by almost 40%.

In our group here, I looked at the Ambroid album in Photos.
Just about every photo in that album has three or four copies.
One each would reduce its size and still tell the story.
I have not looked at the other photo albums to see how they are.
It any other albums show multiples of the same photo, culling them out should help reduce the Photos foot print of our group.

Posting photos in the albums would preserve them better.
Also, if Groups io could provide a 'Notify Group' link in Photos so a brief note that a photo has been added, would make that section more user friendly.

Now, back to Steam Era Freight Cars! 
Ed Bommer


Where did the photos go??

Tom Madden
 

For the third time in the last few weeks all the photos have been purged from the Emailed Photos folder, apparently because we exceeded the 1 GB storage limit. All images attached to posts since we moved to groups.io are gone - only those directly uploaded to the Photos section remain. I'm not on this group's management team but I did email Jeff and Mike late last week and offered to pay the initial fee for upgrading the group to 20 GB storage but have not heard back. Holiday weekend and all that, I suppose. I did that for the Passenger Car List, which I own, but all of our related groups (RealSTMFC, PCL, ResinFreightCarBuilders, PlasticFreightCarBuilders) need to institute some systematic method for funding these annual charges. It's $220 per year, which for this group is a trivial 11 cents per year per subscriber, but I'm sure there are more than 40 of our 2000 who would chip in $5 each year to fund things.

I apologize to the group, and to Mike and Jeff, for jumping in to their administrative area, but photos are such important resources and assets for groups like ours that it's a real shame to see them lost.

Tom Madden


Re: More C&O MW Cars

Eric Hansmann
 

Similar messages were posted at the end of April. I don’t know what level of storage the group has. I’m certain it has exceeded the 1GB of storage for the free level. We’ll have to wait for an update from Jeff and Mike.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Thomas Evans via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 9:10 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] More C&O MW Cars

 

I've been seeing that problem here for a while as well.
I've also noticed that the "emailed photos" section of "photos" (where attached photos normally land) never has more than a few photos in it.
It looks like these are getting automatically deleted soon after they are posted.
It would be nice if a moderator could look into this & report back.

Tom E.


Re: More C&O MW Cars

Thomas Evans
 

I've been seeing that problem here for a while as well.
I've also noticed that the "emailed photos" section of "photos" (where attached photos normally land) never has more than a few photos in it.
It looks like these are getting automatically deleted soon after they are posted.
It would be nice if a moderator could look into this & report back.

Tom E.


Re: MWR 1201-1275 series Mather Patent Boxcar help - more info

Andy Laurent
 

Jeff,
Most of the Muncie & Western is gone, but the Muncie Belt Railway is mostly still in place to serve what remains of the former Ball Corp facility, now a plastics fabricator called Spartech.  This link takes you there.  The line is now a long spur from the Norfolk Southern New Castle District mainline, the switch being just north of West 23rd Street.  There is a lot of industrial history visible on that side of town.

 

The plant sits in the middle of what was the MWR/Muncie Belt corridor that S-curves through what used to be a much larger factory complex.  The NKP and Central Indiana were at the west end of the corridor; the PRR, NYC, and C&O at the northeast end.  A rough map by Aidan Sitgreaves of the "Railroads of Muncie" Facebook group showing the lines around the time of the transition era is attached.

 

Enjoy,

Andy L.

Wisconsin (and Ball State alum…including some Army ROTC classes)


Re: More C&O MW Cars

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Fenton and Friends,

Yesterday when I went back, only the links were attached to the post. They took me to the io home page for a log in. Obviously something is different. THIS LOOKS LIKE A JOB FOR THE SITE MANAGER!

If anyone is desperate for the images I posted, drop me an off-group email to mallardlodge1000_AT_gmail.com and I will send them as attachments to my response. I think when I get all the MW cars scanned up, I will add a couple more albums to the io site.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff
Mallard Lodge in the Heart of Ole Virginia  🦆

On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 9:00 AM O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:
I'm with you on that as well
Fenton

On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 7:25 AM Ben Sullivan <ben.sullivan75@...> wrote:
Is it just me or can anyone else not see the attached images? Recently a few seemingly random messages have had images attached that I cannot see, but replies that indicate the contrary. Just curious. Thanks!
--
Ben Sullivan
Brookeville, MD



--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: More C&O MW Cars

O Fenton Wells
 

I'm with you on that as well
Fenton

On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 7:25 AM Ben Sullivan <ben.sullivan75@...> wrote:
Is it just me or can anyone else not see the attached images? Recently a few seemingly random messages have had images attached that I cannot see, but replies that indicate the contrary. Just curious. Thanks!
--
Ben Sullivan
Brookeville, MD



--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...


Re: More C&O MW Cars

lsittler
 

Yes I am experiencing the same thing and not restricted to one particular devise. Both phone and computer. Les

Sent from my Verizon Motorola Smartphone

On May 27, 2020 7:25 AM, Ben Sullivan <ben.sullivan75@...> wrote:
Is it just me or can anyone else not see the attached images? Recently a few seemingly random messages have had images attached that I cannot see, but replies that indicate the contrary. Just curious. Thanks!
--
Ben Sullivan
Brookeville, MD


Re: More C&O MW Cars

mopacfirst
 

I saw them yesterday on the original post, but they're not visible now.

Ron Merrick


Re: More C&O MW Cars

 

Is it just me or can anyone else not see the attached images? Recently a few seemingly random messages have had images attached that I cannot see, but replies that indicate the contrary. Just curious. Thanks!
--
Ben Sullivan
Brookeville, MD


Re: PRR 254288

Bruce Smith
 

Ben,

The original release of the Bowser was also an H30, not an H30A 😉

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn AL



From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...>
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 7:37 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR 254288
 
I wrote:
"HO scale kits from Funaro (resin) and Rail Shop Models (styrene); the Bowser model is Class H30A but can be used as a stand-in if you don't want to deal with a resin kit or find an out-of-production model."

Note that Funaro offers both Class H30 (stock nos. 6840-6845) and H30A (stock nos. 30001-30070) kits.


Ben Hom


Re: StLB&M 1944 AAR DD Boxcar - C&BT Upgrade #6

lsittler
 

Thanks Steve. I’ll do that. Les
 

From: Steve and Barb Hile
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 10:04 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] StLB&M 1944 AAR DD Boxcar - C&BT Upgrade #6
 

Les,

 

The ATSF double door car from a C&BT shops car was one of the late Greg Martin’s last projects.  He did the presentation at Cocoa Beach in January.  Go to the Train Life site for old Model Railroading and other magazines.  https://trainlife.com/pages/model-railroading-magazine-archive

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of lsittler
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 6:35 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] StLB&M 1944 AAR DD Boxcar - C&BT Upgrade #6

 

Hi Bob- A really nice job to say the least. May I ask if the sources you quote are available, i.e . the Richard Hendrickson articles and the Ed Hawkins spreadsheets? I have a double door C&BT ATSF car that would be great to upgrade like what you have done here. Les

 

From: Bob Chapman

Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 10:52 PM

To: STMFC

Subject: [RealSTMFC] StLB&M 1944 AAR DD Boxcar - C&BT Upgrade #6

 

Taking the idea of foreign road to an extreme, here's the last (yea!) of the C&BT upgrades from the stash -- a StLB&M double door boxcar. Yes, C&BT offered a DD boxcar carbody as one of their variations, and several interesting prototypes can be modeled from it, including UP, ATSF, CB&Q, SBD, SSW, and B&O. The B&O M-59 would have been a natural choice here, but I already had one courtesy Sunshine Models. So it was off in a very different direction with the StLB&M prototype.

 

If one overlooks the prototype's 15-foot door opening vs the kit's 14-foot, the kit's postwar Youngstown doors are a decent match. Replacement parts include a Yarmouth Apex runningboard, Tichy 8/8 ladders, and Kadee grabs and brakewheel. The deep sidesill was shaped from .040" x .125" styrene. Decals are Mask Island with leftover StLB&M reporting marks from a Sunshine set (never throw anything away!). Weathering matches the prototype photo -- a heavy layer of Texas dust.

 

This one completes the six-car pandemic project -- to upgrade the C&BT kits which have languished in the deep stash for four decades. Again, a big posthumous thanks to Richard Hendrickson for the inspirational Model Railroading articles in the late 80s, and to Ed Hawkins for his outstanding spreadsheets simplifying the correct detailing choices.  

 

Bob Chapman

   

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Re: Photo: CCC&StL Boxcar 44759 With Banner

Craig Wilson
 

Interesting photo.  You might be interested to know that the Tanglefoot building still exists in Grand Rapids Michigan just west of the downtown area and the Grand River (photo attached).  It was still an industrial building when I photographed it almost ten years ago.  It has since been "repurposed" into a space for local theatre performing groups.  And . . . it was next door to a Louis Padnos recycling facility which at the time had its own GE 45-ton locomotive.

Craig Wilson


Re: StLB&M 1944 AAR DD Boxcar - C&BT Upgrade #6

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Les,

 

The ATSF double door car from a C&BT shops car was one of the late Greg Martin’s last projects.  He did the presentation at Cocoa Beach in January.  Go to the Train Life site for old Model Railroading and other magazines.  https://trainlife.com/pages/model-railroading-magazine-archive

 

Steve Hile

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of lsittler
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 6:35 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] StLB&M 1944 AAR DD Boxcar - C&BT Upgrade #6

 

Hi Bob- A really nice job to say the least. May I ask if the sources you quote are available, i.e . the Richard Hendrickson articles and the Ed Hawkins spreadsheets? I have a double door C&BT ATSF car that would be great to upgrade like what you have done here. Les

 

From: Bob Chapman

Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 10:52 PM

To: STMFC

Subject: [RealSTMFC] StLB&M 1944 AAR DD Boxcar - C&BT Upgrade #6

 

Taking the idea of foreign road to an extreme, here's the last (yea!) of the C&BT upgrades from the stash -- a StLB&M double door boxcar. Yes, C&BT offered a DD boxcar carbody as one of their variations, and several interesting prototypes can be modeled from it, including UP, ATSF, CB&Q, SBD, SSW, and B&O. The B&O M-59 would have been a natural choice here, but I already had one courtesy Sunshine Models. So it was off in a very different direction with the StLB&M prototype.

 

If one overlooks the prototype's 15-foot door opening vs the kit's 14-foot, the kit's postwar Youngstown doors are a decent match. Replacement parts include a Yarmouth Apex runningboard, Tichy 8/8 ladders, and Kadee grabs and brakewheel. The deep sidesill was shaped from .040" x .125" styrene. Decals are Mask Island with leftover StLB&M reporting marks from a Sunshine set (never throw anything away!). Weathering matches the prototype photo -- a heavy layer of Texas dust.

 

This one completes the six-car pandemic project -- to upgrade the C&BT kits which have languished in the deep stash for four decades. Again, a big posthumous thanks to Richard Hendrickson for the inspirational Model Railroading articles in the late 80s, and to Ed Hawkins for his outstanding spreadsheets simplifying the correct detailing choices.  

 

Bob Chapman

   

Attachments:

 

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Re: PRR 254288

Benjamin Hom
 

I wrote:
"HO scale kits from Funaro (resin) and Rail Shop Models (styrene); the Bowser model is Class H30A but can be used as a stand-in if you don't want to deal with a resin kit or find an out-of-production model."

Note that Funaro offers both Class H30 (stock nos. 6840-6845) and H30A (stock nos. 30001-30070) kits.


Ben Hom


Re: PRR 254288

Benjamin Hom
 

Clark Propst asked:
"There are some CGW train list sheets laying next to the computer. My wife is transcribing them to an excel sheet. I noticed empty PRR covered hopper 254288 headed from Randolph Minn. to Ingalton Ill. Really surprised to see that car out here! Not being a Pennsy guy can someone please tell me about this car?"

Class H30, from PRR 254251 - 255575.
HO scale kits from Funaro (resin) and Rail Shop Models (styrene); the Bowser model is Class H30A but can be used as a stand-in if you don't want to deal with a resin kit or find an out-of-production model.


Ben Hom








PRR 254288

Clark Propst
 

There are some CGW train list sheets laying next to the computer. My wife is transcribing them to an excel sheet. I noticed empty PRR covered hopper 254288 headed from Randolph Minn. to Ingalton Ill. Really surprised to see that car out here! Not being a Pennsy guy can someone please tell me about this car?
Many Thanks,
CW Propst

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