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Re: PFE R40-24

Fran Giacoma
 

Well done, Paul. I like the layout setting it is in especially the way you blended the foreground into the backdrop. Nice B&O wagon top too!
Fran G.

PFE R40-24

Paul Doggett
 

Hi chaps

I have just finished my last 😢😢😢PFE sunshine reefer a plywood sided car

Paul Doggett. England

Re: Diagonal Panel Roof

O Fenton Wells
 

Bob, I may have one and I should be home late this afternoon and can look
Fenton

On Sun, Nov 17, 2019 at 8:42 PM Bob Chapman <chapbob611@...> wrote:
I'm in need of a HO scale 40' diagonal panel roof for a boxcar project. At one time, Red Caboose offered these as an aftermarket part (#8700-04), but InterMountain's website no longer lists it.

Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Bob Chapman



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Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
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Re: Diagonal Panel Roof

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Bob,

The old Front Range cars all had separate diagonal panel roofs. I've dropped Des Plaines, Red Caboose and Intermountain PS-1 roofs onto the FR bodies for a near perfect (after replacing the ends), so the FR roofs are about the same dimensions.

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff


On Sun, Nov 17, 2019 at 8:42 PM Bob Chapman <chapbob611@...> wrote:
I'm in need of a HO scale 40' diagonal panel roof for a boxcar project. At one time, Red Caboose offered these as an aftermarket part (#8700-04), but InterMountain's website no longer lists it.

Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Bob Chapman

Re: NP Wood Reefer

lrkdbn
 

I'd like to share my thoughts about the NP reefers. This is my own thinking and some of it is speculation.
Please correct me if appropriate!
That said there seems to to be 4 different designs of underframe used on the NP reefers,(According to Brian Pate's kit instructions all the nominal 40 ft cars shared similar body dimensions and details by the 1930's)
Underframe type 1 Shown in the 1912 CBD, it was standard on box, automobile, stock, and reefers built
1912-13. A very heavily built fishbelly center sill and bolsters with a truss rod under each side sill.
Needle beams were wood. I think this is the underframe in Mr.Deimlings drawing shown above.
Underframe type 2 Used on reefers built in 1917 looks to be similar to type 1 except needle beams
are fabricated steel but still with the truss rod. The picture of NP 94631 shows this type of car. I bet as built the body was like the 1913 cars in Mr. Deimling's drawing.
Underfrane type 3- Cars built in 1922 had an underframe which upon study of photos looks to be the same as the USRA standard reefer,except that the NP car is slightly longer and wider:i.e.the NP "scaled up"the USRA design.The number of  rivets used looks to be the same.
Underframe type 4(from Brain Pate's kit instructions) used the type 1 center sill and bolsters with new steel crossbearers similar to the 1917 design but without the truss rods-the side sill was steel channel as in the 1922 cars. this was in 1930. These cars were the prototype for Pate's kit.

I also wonder if this same progression of underframes was found in NP box cars, What do you all think?
Larry King

Re: Diagonal Panel Roof

Benjamin Hom
 

Bob Chapman asked:
"I'm in need of a HO scale 40' diagonal panel roof for a boxcar project. At one time, Red Caboose offered these as an aftermarket part (#8700-04), but InterMountain's website no longer lists it. Any suggestions?"

Alternatively, check your stash for Branchline postwar AAR boxcar undec kits.  They included all of the end, roof, and door options.


Ben Hom

Re: Diagonal Panel Roof

rdgbuff56
 

Bob,
      Go to Atlas website and search under BL1.  They list this roof at 2.98 and have other parts. 

Francis A.  Pehowic,  Jr. 

On Monday, November 18, 2019, 1:42:15 AM UTC, Bob Chapman <chapbob611@...> wrote:


I'm in need of a HO scale 40' diagonal panel roof for a boxcar project. At one time, Red Caboose offered these as an aftermarket part (#8700-04), but InterMountain's website no longer lists it.

Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Bob Chapman

Re: NP Wood Reefer

Dennis Storzek
 

On Sun, Nov 17, 2019 at 12:17 PM, Gene Deimling wrote:
I thought that I might share a little information on the design of the underframe for the wood reefers.   You will find an extract of the general arrangement drawing showing the underframe and two pictures showing the frame under construction.  This might clear up some of the question as to the design used on these cars.
 
They are actually not of the same car series, Gene. The drawings show truss rods and NO crossbearers, while the photos show crossbearers and no truss rids. My original question was, "Does the later series of cars, 93000's IIRC, have the same crossbearers as the 90000's?"

Dennis Storzek

Re: Diagonal Panel Roof

Brian Carlson
 

Branchline/atlas also offered this roof. 

Brian J. Carlson 

On Nov 17, 2019, at 8:42 PM, Bob Chapman <chapbob611@...> wrote:


I'm in need of a HO scale 40' diagonal panel roof for a boxcar project. At one time, Red Caboose offered these as an aftermarket part (#8700-04), but InterMountain's website no longer lists it.

Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Bob Chapman

Diagonal Panel Roof

Bob Chapman
 

I'm in need of a HO scale 40' diagonal panel roof for a boxcar project. At one time, Red Caboose offered these as an aftermarket part (#8700-04), but InterMountain's website no longer lists it.

Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Bob Chapman

Re: NP Refrigerators

Eric Hansmann
 

Sweet work, Paul!

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN

On Nov 17, 2019, at 4:11 PM, Paul Doggett via Groups.Io <paul.doggett2472@...> wrote:

Here’s a North Pacific Norwest kit I have built.

Paul Doggett.  England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 

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On 17 Nov 2019, at 20:01, gary laakso <vasa0vasa@...> wrote:



Norwest made resin kits and W&R imported brass models. 

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of npin53
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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] NP Refrigerators

 

They all had fishbelly center sills.

Aaron Gjermundson

Re: NP Wood Reefer

Bill Daniels <billinsf@...>
 

Hi Gene... any chance you could post the full drawings, or is the half drawing all you've got?

Bill Daniels 
Santa Rosa, CA


On Sunday, November 17, 2019, 12:19:07 PM PST, Gene Deimling <proto48@...> wrote:


I thought that I might share a little information on the design of the underframe for the wood reefers.   You will find an extract of the general arrangement drawing showing the underframe and two pictures showing the frame under construction.  This might clear up some of the question as to the design used on these cars.


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Gene Deimling
El Dorado Hills, CA

Re: Photo: Tank Car With Full Hand Railings

Bill Daniels <billinsf@...>
 

Notice that in the color shot, the knuckle of the visible coupler has been removed. Of course, those archbar truvks are long illegal for interchange. The brake cylinder appears to be a KD style. Back when I was a kid, there was another isolated tank car at the small yard office a couple of miles from my home. I can't remember if they pulled the rail behind it, but the knuckles were also missing on it as well. When the yard was removed (probably in the 90's) I would have to guess that the car was scrapped in place. The car was there to fuel the six switchers that were assigned to that line. Sanding of the units was done by hand. On this car, in the first shot, I noticed that the knuckle on the other end was slotted for a link and pin attachment, which tells you how old this car was. You cannot see it from this angle. I cannot say for sure, but I would guess that the missing knuckle was "borrowed" by a crew that experienced a cracked knuckle on their train.

Bill Daniels 
Santa Rosa, CA


On Sunday, November 17, 2019, 12:56:10 PM PST, Dean Kinzley via Groups.Io <dean.kinzley@...> wrote:


Thanks for this and thanks too for the pointer to the Hoboken Shore Railroad, which was new to me.
Dean

On Sunday, November 17, 2019, 01:59:24 PM EST, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:


Photo: Tank Car With Full Hand Railings

A 1955 photo from Riley Triggs' Port of New York blog:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-CZsX-F4jSe0/VQeUHnm9mJI/AAAAAAAAESQ/iUKe53LG-zQ/s1600/Roster%2Bat%2BGeneral%2BFoods.jpg

There are no markings on the car so perhaps it is in company service.

The photo is from the collection of Tim Stuy.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: NP Refrigerators

O Fenton Wells
 

Looking good Paul, I haven't built that one yet.  It's in inventory
Fenton

On Sun, Nov 17, 2019 at 5:11 PM Paul Doggett via Groups.Io <paul.doggett2472=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
Here’s a North Pacific Norwest kit I have built.

Paul Doggett.  England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 




On 17 Nov 2019, at 20:01, gary laakso <vasa0vasa@...> wrote:



Norwest made resin kits and W&R imported brass models. 

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of npin53
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 10:40 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] NP Refrigerators

 

They all had fishbelly center sills.

Aaron Gjermundson



--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
Pinehurst NC 28374
910-420-8106
srrfan1401@...

Re: NP Refrigerators

Paul Doggett
 

Here’s a North Pacific Norwest kit I have built.

Paul Doggett.  England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 




On 17 Nov 2019, at 20:01, gary laakso <vasa0vasa@...> wrote:



Norwest made resin kits and W&R imported brass models. 

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of npin53
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 10:40 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] NP Refrigerators

 

They all had fishbelly center sills.

Aaron Gjermundson

Re: Photo: Tank Car With Full Hand Railings

Dean Kinzley
 

Thanks for this and thanks too for the pointer to the Hoboken Shore Railroad, which was new to me.
Dean

On Sunday, November 17, 2019, 01:59:24 PM EST, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:


Photo: Tank Car With Full Hand Railings

A 1955 photo from Riley Triggs' Port of New York blog:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-CZsX-F4jSe0/VQeUHnm9mJI/AAAAAAAAESQ/iUKe53LG-zQ/s1600/Roster%2Bat%2BGeneral%2BFoods.jpg

There are no markings on the car so perhaps it is in company service.

The photo is from the collection of Tim Stuy.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: Photo: Tank Car With Full Hand Railings

Matt Herson
 

Attaching a photo I took in January 1962 of what appears to be the same tank car.  Rail has been removed on both sides of car and the car is stationary.

 

Matt Herson

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Daniels via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 2:36 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Tank Car With Full Hand Railings

 

Well, seeing as to how the rail between the car and the rest of the line has been pulled up recently (at least as of the date of the photo), it may be safe to assume that the car is in true captive service.

 

Bill Daniels 

Santa Rosa, CA

 

 

On Sunday, November 17, 2019, 10:59:23 AM PST, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:

 

 

Photo: Tank Car With Full Hand Railings

A 1955 photo from Riley Triggs' Port of New York blog:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-CZsX-F4jSe0/VQeUHnm9mJI/AAAAAAAAESQ/iUKe53LG-zQ/s1600/Roster%2Bat%2BGeneral%2BFoods.jpg

There are no markings on the car so perhaps it is in company service.

The photo is from the collection of Tim Stuy.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

NP Wood Reefer

Gene Deimling
 

I thought that I might share a little information on the design of the underframe for the wood reefers.   You will find an extract of the general arrangement drawing showing the underframe and two pictures showing the frame under construction.  This might clear up some of the question as to the design used on these cars.


--
Gene Deimling
El Dorado Hills, CA

Re: NP Refrigerators

gary laakso
 

Norwest made resin kits and W&R imported brass models. 

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of npin53
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 10:40 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] NP Refrigerators

 

They all had fishbelly center sills.

Aaron Gjermundson

Re: Interesting load on a SAL flat

Bill Daniels <billinsf@...>
 

Well, it does help to be sitting in front of my computer when your request came in... Emoji

Bill Daniels 
Santa Rosa, CA


On Sunday, November 17, 2019, 11:34:01 AM PST, Brian Termunde via Groups.Io <gcrds@...> wrote:


Well that was FAST! Thank you Bill!

Take care
 
Brian R. Termunde
Midvale, UT