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Re: Photo: Tank Car With Full Hand Railings

Bill Daniels <billinsf@...>
 

Well, seeing as to how the rail between the car and the rest of the line has been pulled up recently (at least as of the date of the photo), it may be safe to assume that the car is in true captive service.

Bill Daniels 
Santa Rosa, CA


On Sunday, November 17, 2019, 10:59:23 AM PST, Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...> wrote:


Photo: Tank Car With Full Hand Railings

A 1955 photo from Riley Triggs' Port of New York blog:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-CZsX-F4jSe0/VQeUHnm9mJI/AAAAAAAAESQ/iUKe53LG-zQ/s1600/Roster%2Bat%2BGeneral%2BFoods.jpg

There are no markings on the car so perhaps it is in company service.

The photo is from the collection of Tim Stuy.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: Interesting load on a SAL flat

Brian Termunde
 

Well that was FAST! Thank you Bill!

Take care
 
Brian R. Termunde
Midvale, UT

Re: Interesting load on a SAL flat

Bill Daniels <billinsf@...>
 

They are watertube boilers. Similar to marine boilers. They are the opposite of firetube boilers which were commonly used on steam locomotives where the combustion gasses go through the tubes and water surrounds the tube. In these, the water/steam is inside the tubes, while the fire is outside them. In operation, these are much safer than firetube boilers. And, before you ask, several roads did experiment with watertube (or a hybrid design) boilers... unsucessfully. The B&O was the major road that used a variety of them, but other roads did experiment (including the PRR). The big advantage of firetube boilers in locomotives was the large reservior of water in the boiler that was at the boiling point for the pressure inside the boiler would respond instantaniously to a lowering of pressure inside the boiler due to increased steam demand. Lowering the pressure caused more water to flash to steam without the crew's action. This was valuable in locomotive use, but not so much so in other, steady-state applications.

Bill Daniels 
Santa Rosa, CA


On Sunday, November 17, 2019, 11:13:10 AM PST, Brian Termunde via Groups.Io <gcrds@...> wrote:


On one of my Milwaukee Road lists, the attached photo was shared. He was interested in the load, any ideas?

Thanks!

Take care

Brian R. Termunde
Midvale, UT

Re: NP Refrigerators

Bill Welch
 

I case these will help:

http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/modeling/models/welch/np90218main.html

http://www.steamerafreightcars.com/modeling/models/welch/np92313main.html

There are slight variations in terms of ladders and grab iron attachment.

Bill Welch

Interesting load on a SAL flat

Brian Termunde
 

On one of my Milwaukee Road lists, the attached photo was shared. He was interested in the load, any ideas?

Thanks!

Take care

Brian R. Termunde
Midvale, UT

Photo: Tank Car With Full Hand Railings

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Tank Car With Full Hand Railings

A 1955 photo from Riley Triggs' Port of New York blog:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-CZsX-F4jSe0/VQeUHnm9mJI/AAAAAAAAESQ/iUKe53LG-zQ/s1600/Roster%2Bat%2BGeneral%2BFoods.jpg

There are no markings on the car so perhaps it is in company service.

The photo is from the collection of Tim Stuy.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: NP Refrigerators

Dennis Storzek
 

What about the crossbearers? The Accurail UF has the common arrangement where the CB tapers from 7" to 12" and the cover plate goes through a slot in the center sills. The Tichy UF has crossbearers that taper all the way to the bottom of the center sill, more like a passenger car. Turns out the IC car that was this year's give-away project at the Lisle RPM also has this form, and Frank included resin parts to replace the crossbearers on the Accurail floor.

Dennis Storzek

Re: NP Refrigerators

npin53
 

They all had fishbelly center sills.

Aaron Gjermundson

Re: NP Refrigerators

Dennis Storzek
 

On Sun, Nov 17, 2019 at 08:49 AM, radiodial868 wrote:
Dennis, you can see the crossbearers?
I can on the 90062,

but not on the 93528, so maybe the later series does have shallow CB's like the Accurail UF.

Dennis Storzek

Re: NP Refrigerators

Bob Webber
 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/albums/72157649155982802/


At 10:49 AM 11/17/2019, radiodial868 wrote:
Bob, I searched all over Flickr, what is this Barringer AC&F site you speak of?

Bob Webber

Re: NP Refrigerators

radiodial868
 

Dennis, you can see the crossbearers? All I can see is black! Except for the Truss Rod underframe, which also looks fun to do. The Tichy underframe is $3.39 ea, so will use those.
Bob, I searched all over Flickr, what is this Barringer AC&F site you speak of?
Aaron & John, thanks for pictures and the validation of the 90000 series.  Plain ends just like the Red Caboose model. We have plan now.
Also, will order additional trucks from NPRHA (http://store.nprha.org/modeling/trucks/)
Thanks for the info everyone. Will queue this one up as soon as the parts arrive from HobbyInc.
RJ Dial

Re: SP&S USRA DS Boxcar Photos

Sean Murphy
 

Thanks for the help everyone!

Re: NP Refrigerators

Dennis Storzek
 

Several people have mentioned substituting an Accurail fishbelly underframe on these cars, but looking at the photos Arron just posted, I note the N.P. cars had crossbearers that drop all the way to the bottom chord of the fishbelly sills, while the Accurail part has shallower crossbearers.  A better source of an underframe with the correct crossbearers would be the Tichy 40' flatcar that is also currently being discussed; it has the proper form of crossbearer.

Dennis Storzek

Re: NP Refrigerators

John Monrad
 

The NP reefers did not have braces on the ends.

The number is correct for reefers in series 90000-90799 built by NP in 1931-32.

John Monrad

Re: Photo: Gun Barrel On Flat Cars

spsalso
 

There is a book by Charles S. Small called "California's Railway Guns".  It is a 90 page paperback.  There are drawings and photos.  The photo reproduction is not great.

A gun similar to the one in the second photo is shown on the cover of the book with its railway trucks.  There was a span bolster with two six-wheel trucks on the breech end, and a span bolster with two eight-wheel trucks on the other end.

It (the book, not the gun) is available from Amazon for about $1000 (plus $100 shipping).  And elsewhere, for substantially less.


Ed

Edward Sutorik

Re: NP Refrigerators

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Every-time I get a photo of an already competed car I find more work to do.  But I love it.

Bill Pardie

On Nov 16, 2019, at 9:10 AM, npin53 <npin53@...> wrote:

This should help a little bit.

Aaron Gjermundson <N.P. 90062.tif><N.P. 93528.tif><NP 94631.jpg>

Re: Photo: Gun Barrel On Flat Cars

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Friends,

Note the interesting cradle, possibly specific to this particular model gun. I would suggest the cradle went back on the same flat car pair for reuse to where the gun was proofed and stored. By the date of the photo, that should have been the Naval Proving Ground at Indian Head, Maryland.
Yours Aye,

Garth Groff


On Sat, Nov 16, 2019 at 1:21 AM Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: Gun Barrel On Flat Cars

Photo taken at the Los Angeles & Salt Lake Railroad Yard, Los Angeles:

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-mtcPFD6LBeI/TZUQcJ50CPI/AAAAAAAAN8s/Vj20tEdXvTw/s1600/1917-03-24_FortMacArthurGun-LAYards-SaltLakeRR_01c.jpg

Caption:

1917: 14” diameter gun-tube (weighing 110,000 pounds) for the new “state-of-the-art” port fortifications at San Pedro’s Fort MacArthur (established 10/31/1914) are a “tourist attraction” at the downtown LA yards of the Salt Lake railway; when each gun arrived in San Pedro it had to be slowly and painstakingly snaked up San Pedro hill (sometimes moving only a few feet in a day) to the Upper Reservation using house mover dollies which left increasingly deep gouges in the pavement; the land for the Upper Reservation had been purchased in 1910 from William G. Kerckhoff and George H. Peck for $249,000—about $31.6 million in 2009 dollars using the nominal GDP per capita index; the four 14” gun-tubes were mounted on disappearing carriages at Batteries Osgood-Farley and Leary-Merriam (built at a cost of $462,788, or $83.4 million in 2009 dollars using the relative share of GDP index); each of the 14” guns could fire a 1,560-pound projectile 14 miles; the number 2 gun at Battery Osgood-Farley was mounted on 06/30/1917 and by the time the number 1 gun was installed on 07/31/1923 the installations were already obsolete; the big guns were rarely fired, due to the damage they caused to San Pedro homes and businesses, before they were cut up for scrap in the mid 1940s.

Installed Gun:

https://www.gettyimages.be/detail/nieuwsfoto%27s/army-personnel-standing-with-a-14-inch-railway-gun-at-ft-nieuwsfotos/50622595

Today Ft. MacArthur is home to the N scale Belmont Shore Model Railroad Club and the O scale Angels' Gate Hi-Railers club. Each club has its own building.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

Re: NMRA Online Photo Archive

CJ Riley
 

Since the NMRA librarian position has been unfilled for years, there is no one to do anything about it. I am not sure how the transfer to the Sacramento library has proceeded but maybe that is the problem.

Re: NP Refrigerators

npin53
 
Edited

This should help a little bit. A few different Monad and paint scheme variations.

An early series had a single truss rod on each side of the fishbelly center sill. Also, some of the cars had the really nice NP Andrews style truck offered by Tahoe.

Aaron Gjermundson

Re: NP Refrigerators

Bob Webber
 

did you look at the Barringer AC&F Flickr site - there might be builder's photos of them there.....

At 10:51 AM 11/16/2019, you wrote:
2 last questions before I get started on kitbashing. The Mainstreeter stock car article reflects different ends than the PFE reefer end, was that because of the extra bracing the open-sided stock car needed, or did the reefers also have those braces?  The NP Diagrams don't reflect. I have loads of reefer/freight car books, but no NP reefer images in them!
Lastly, I assume the 90128 number is a foobie to match the car.  I'm guessing the correct car would be 93000 series?
RJ Dial

Bob Webber