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Re: ACL O-17 Ventilation Box Car - "Watermelon Car"

Allen Cain
 

Hi Bill,

Saw your request for info on these cars.  Attached you will find several article which should be helpful.

Enjoy,

Allen Cain


Re: ACL O-17 Ventilation Box Car - "Watermelon Car"

Allen Cain
 

Attached is the article that Bruce referenced.

I have others if anyone is interested contact me OFF LIST please.

Allen Cain


Re: MWR 1201-1275 series Mather Patent Boxcar help - more info

Todd Sullivan
 

And, according to Tony Koester, the cars were often used for back-hauls of sand for the factory. 

I spent a few weeks in Marion, IN in the early 2000s rehab'ing a house for Habitat for Missionaries, and found a closed Ball glass plant there.  I think it had been served by the NKP.

Todd Sullivan


Re: Plastics for injection molding model railroad items

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

Yes, both reground material from rejects and/or buying a poor quality material to begin with can both cause
the end product to be brittle.Many of us have been using the same material for some years with one of the 
larger injection molding firms buying it in bulk and adding the color. Ever wonder why so many after market
parts were a standard gray color? Now you know. I've been told for years to keep the percentasge of regrind 
to a maximum of 10% and have never experienced a problem when that was done. The worst example I've
experienced was a decade or more ago with Precisin Scale 4 wheel passenger car trucks of the drop
equalizer variety. They were impossible to assemble witout breakage. In that cast I suspect it was because 
most were being used as "lost plastic" masters for production of the trucks in brass. Realize here that a lot
more of the supposed "lost wax" castings we use are not lost wax but lost plastic due simply to the economies
of scale. When I introduced the first of our "Pullman Parts" line of injection molded items over thirty years ago 
the material used was Cosden #625 but Cosden sold out to Phillips Petroleum and that is where it comes from
now. One of my molding shops is still using that material while another, and much larger, molder is buying a
very similar material from another supplier ajnd I defy anyone to tell whicj s which.

Cordially, Don Valentine


Re: Photo: Wings Being Loaded Into GTW Boxcar

Nolan Hinshaw
 

On May 25, 2020, at 09:45, Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: Wings Being Loaded Into GTW Boxcar

A photo from the New York Heritage Digital Collections:

https://cdm16694.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/p16694coll109/id/18222/rec/24

A circa 1943-1944 photo.
Razorback Jug parts! The image has suggestions of interesting details, especially in the lower left foreground.


Re: "Z"-CAR FRAMING QUESTION

Bill Welch
 

It might Mont, certainly would not hurt to try.

Bill Welch


Re: SHPX ORER help needed

Bruce Smith
 

Eric,

OOPS!  That's what happens when my attention is focused elsewhere (in this case on replenishing the homestead's supplies of beer before the next round of the plague sets in, with a nice Belgian wit).

Obviously, LOs would be reweighed on a regular basis, but it does lead to an interesting question as to where. My guess (and it is strictly that) would be that the lessee or lessor would most likely contract with the home railroad for the lessee's loads, since it would seem silly to return the cars to the lessor for this issue. Although? They might well have as I would guess that the lessor would perform most of the maintenance on leased cars. And of course, the bottom line on car reweighing is that a car that was in need could easily be captured by a road looking to make some money...

It will be interesting to see what data surfaces.

Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Eric Mumper <eric.mumper@...>
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 12:17 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] SHPX ORER help needed
 
Bruce,

The original thread appears to have been lost since the post is from a while ago.  This is about SHPX covered hoppers.  These were reweighed regularly and I am interested if that was done at SHPX shops or by the railroads wherever and whenever they needed it.

Eric Mumper


Re: MWR 1201-1275 series Mather Patent Boxcar help - correction, sorry

Mont Switzer
 

This is correct.  The small U channel diagonals are the ones I prefer to remove or copy from the LL Proto model than build them up per the SS instructions.  

SS wants you to stand either .010 x .020 or .010 x .030 styrene strip stock on end and cement it to the car sides to form the U channels.  

You are correct that the stock car channels are too short.  You have to splice them or use them to make a longer master to cast what you need in resin.  

FYI, the MWR Mather boxcars hauled Ball Glass Manufacturing Co. blue glass canning jars made in Muncie, IN,  all over the country and photos verify the cars could be seen just about anywhere.  The Mather design cars served the MWR into the late 1950's when they were replaced with a fleet of singe sheathed composite cars rebuilt with steel sides.  

The steel cars had both 8 and 10 panel sides.  The steel cars were also yellow, but they did not paint the canning jar on the corrugated doors.  RMC has an article on these cars.
  
Mont Switzer      


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] on behalf of Chuck Cover [chuck.cover@...]
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 3:15 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] MWR 1201-1275 series Mather Patent Boxcar help - correction, sorry

Sorry group,

 

As often happens when I comment, I made a mistake.  I should have said that the verticals on the Sunshine Mather boxcar kits are Z bracing, NOT the diagonals.  I don’t believe that the P-2000 models have this Z bracing on the verticals.

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM


Re: "Z"-CAR FRAMING QUESTION

Mont Switzer
 

Bill,

Would it help to glue the .020 x .020 stock to the .005 styrene sheet?  Then cut the 3 inch side strips?  Might make it all easier to handle.  

Mont Switzer


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] on behalf of Bill Welch [fgexbill@...]
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 3:04 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] "Z"-CAR FRAMING QUESTION

This is what I have done:

Cut 0.005" styrene sheet into strips scale 3" wide. This is the base that is glued (carefully too much will distort this thin styrene) and let it cure over night. 

Next carefully glue 0.020" x 0.020" strip to the 0.005" and let it cure overnight

Next glue 0.010" x 0.030 strip to complete the "Z"

Bill Welch


Re: MWR 1201-1275 series Mather Patent Boxcar help

John Stanford
 

Thanks Todd and Mont - I wasn't aware of the Life Like models so have some new options to look into.  So much to catch up on!

Also thanks to Andy, Claud & Al for the on and off-list prototype references - certainly have enough now to tackle the project once I decide which way to go.  I was up for the challenge of the Sunshine kit but I'm not looking for work just for the sake of work so need to re-evaluate now.

John Stanford


Re: ACL O-17 Ventilation Box Car - "Watermelon Car"

mel perry
 

OOPS:
my bad
;-(
mel perry

On Mon, May 25, 2020, 12:01 PM mel perry via groups.io <clipper841=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
or check epay or railtoadtreasures.com
:-)
mel perry

On Mon, May 25, 2020, 11:20 AM Bruce A. Metcalf <bruce.metcalf@...> wrote:
wrlyders via groups.io wrote:

> I am trying to scratch build the ACL Watermelon Car starting with an
>  Ambroid Kit from the 50s [One of my Cars for my NMRA AP Cars
> certificate].

> I need pictures or drawings or parts lists showing these items in
> order to scratchbuild or purchase these parts.

> Does anybody have any links or information that I can use?

There's an article with prototype photos and a scale drawing in Railroad
Model Craftsman, July 1955, p.48.

Not in my collection, but perhaps  someone here can help. Failing that,
the NMRA Collection at the California State Railroad Museum Library has
copies.

Cheers,
/ Bruce /




Re: Southern Pulpwood cars

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Friends,

Has anyone considered putting a thin layer of plumber's lead between the underframe and the floor? This might mean sacrificing some underframe detail, but should be no problem for empty cars that are operated. Not every car needs to be museum quality.

I remember Richard Hendrickson's mantra for fishbelly gondolas and flat cars, "If you can't see it , don't bother modeling it."

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 1:18 PM milepost 131 <mp131.ghandrews@...> wrote:
Allen,

To model the SU box cars converted has always been an interest/goal of mine  but as I dug into that the "ends" were always a stumble. Many of  those used the Hutchins end. I went so far as to 3D CAD a Hutchins end BECAUSE I too thought...hmmm add it to a flat.... used to be Westerfield sold HO ends for the SU but they were flat (inside.)

BUT the issue was the inside...especially  for an empty pulpwood rack car. Those Hutchins ends showed inside and out with an empty.

And since I model Murphy Branch circa 1942 consists with multiple cars would be typical and ideal. Luckily <g> I'm not modeling Canton so the need for a huge fleet of empties  and loaded  won't be necessary. 

I also remember (when pulpwood was shipped) and on at least once occasions watching a "stick" rock off a car. Not going to figure out how to model that. <g> 

And as Fenton stated in the article those empty models are  LIGHT. 


Gordon Andrews


help locating online sratchbuilding supplies

Ray Hutchison
 

This has been hit or miss on ebay, and difficult to get things from local hobby shop.  I am looking for a good source for both wood and styrene car roofs, sides, ends, and bottom frames.  Suggestions much appreciated!

Ray Hutchison, Green Bay WI


Re: MWR 1201-1275 series Mather Patent Boxcar help - correction, sorry

Chuck Cover
 

Sorry group,

 

As often happens when I comment, I made a mistake.  I should have said that the verticals on the Sunshine Mather boxcar kits are Z bracing, NOT the diagonals.  I don’t believe that the P-2000 models have this Z bracing on the verticals.

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM


Re: Southern Pacific GS Gondola Question

Bill Welch
 

Okay, here is my plan:

—Measure the interior width with Digital Caliper
—Take the measure to Home Depot and ask them to cut a scrap of wood to that width to fit into the body cavity to prevent the styrene from flexing
—Sand the glued cracks with #600 sandpaper
—brush on "Future/Pledge whatever they are calling it this week"
—apply clear decal material
—Prime. paint, decal and move on. . .

Bill Welch


Re: Pulpwood cars

Eric Hansmann
 

Thanks, Dave!

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN



On May 25, 2020 at 11:39 AM A&Y Dave in MD <dbott@...> wrote:

My understanding is that the SRHA bought the rights and molds for the Wright Track kits that were Southern Railway prototypes. I saw on the SRHA affiliated email list that they plan to have the resin parts made available as a kit, but leave all the details from other sources (like trucks, grabs, brakes) to the modeler. This was the best option to get them available quicker.  

Maybe a dedicated resin vendor could make a deal to offer a complete kit or maybe just a detail package to add.  I don’t know that is a likely event.  It’s not too hard to collect the details though, so there maybe something useful soon.

Dave

Sent from Dave Bott'  iPhone

On May 25, 2020, at 12:53 PM, Allen Cain <allencaintn@...> wrote:

Eric,

Was this a teaser for a future offering of the Southern Pulpwood cars?  Sure hope so.

Nice article.

Allen Cain

--
____________________________
David Bott, modeling the A&Y in '34



Re: Hindsight 20/20 clarification

Don Burn
 

Is there any chance it can be recorded, so others can see it later? That is a challenging day for me, and I would not want to take a slot away from someone to attend a little of it.

Don Burn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ted Culotta
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 2:39 PM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io; ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io; Proto-Layouts@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Hindsight 20/20 clarification

Just to be clear, to attend, you must go to the link below and go through the checkout. It's free, but there are a limited number of slots on the video stream and this is the only way we can meter the number of people that sign up.

http://speedwitchmedia.com/product/hindsight-2020-registration/


Cheers,
Ted

Ted Culotta
Speedwitch Media
P.O. Box 392, Guilford, CT 06437
speedwitchmedia@gmail.com <mailto:speedwitchmedia@gmail.com> - www.speedwitchmedia.com <http://www.speedwitchmedia.com>
Blog: http://prototopics.blogspot.com


Re: "Z"-CAR FRAMING QUESTION

Bill Welch
 

This is what I have done:

Cut 0.005" styrene sheet into strips scale 3" wide. This is the base that is glued (carefully too much will distort this thin styrene) and let it cure over night. 

Next carefully glue 0.020" x 0.020" strip to the 0.005" and let it cure overnight

Next glue 0.010" x 0.030 strip to complete the "Z"

Bill Welch


Re: ACL O-17 Ventilation Box Car - "Watermelon Car"

mel perry
 

or check epay or railtoadtreasures.com
:-)
mel perry

On Mon, May 25, 2020, 11:20 AM Bruce A. Metcalf <bruce.metcalf@...> wrote:
wrlyders via groups.io wrote:

> I am trying to scratch build the ACL Watermelon Car starting with an
>  Ambroid Kit from the 50s [One of my Cars for my NMRA AP Cars
> certificate].

> I need pictures or drawings or parts lists showing these items in
> order to scratchbuild or purchase these parts.

> Does anybody have any links or information that I can use?

There's an article with prototype photos and a scale drawing in Railroad
Model Craftsman, July 1955, p.48.

Not in my collection, but perhaps  someone here can help. Failing that,
the NMRA Collection at the California State Railroad Museum Library has
copies.

Cheers,
/ Bruce /




"Z"-CAR FRAMING QUESTION

Bill Keene
 

Now that I am getting caught up on my list o'stuff to do around the house--we will not discuss what is on the wife's list--I am beginning to layout the sides of an MKT single sheathed caboose. You know ... that little "house" that tagged along behind a train of steam era box cars. The sides are framed with C-channels and Z-shapes. 

My question to the master builders on this list is what do you use for Z-shapes? Also if not an available product what method do you use to fabricate the Z-shapes? The prototype framing is nominally 3x3-inches. 

Thanks, Cheers, & Happy Modeling. 
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA

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