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Re: C&I hopper was Anthracite Hopper in S.W. Virginia Coal Fields
Sorry, was that was supposed to be C&I, not C&EI
-Bruce
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Bruce Smith <smithbf@...>
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 4:29 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Subject: [RealSTMFC] C&EI hopper was Anthracite Hopper in S.W. Virginia Coal Fields
More correctly called an "offset side hopper" and in the case of the of the C&I hopper, this is an "Alternate Standard AAR offset hopper". I'm more familiar with the "chisel end" being applied to a variant of this hopper, where the end goes to the offset about
1/2 way down the 1st panel instead of using the whole length of the panel.
Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of George Courtney via groups.io <gsc3@...>
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 10:55 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Anthracite Hopper in S.W. Virginia Coal Fields I think that's what sometimes called a Chiseled Side hopper. I've always wanted an excuse to model one. I suppose if one appeared onlyin an operating session every two years it could be justified.
Thanks, George Courtney
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C&EI hopper was Anthracite Hopper in S.W. Virginia Coal Fields
More correctly called an "offset side hopper" and in the case of the of the C&I hopper, this is an "Alternate Standard AAR offset hopper". I'm more familiar with the "chisel end" being applied to a variant of this hopper, where the end goes to the offset about
1/2 way down the 1st panel instead of using the whole length of the panel.
Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of George Courtney via groups.io <gsc3@...>
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 10:55 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Anthracite Hopper in S.W. Virginia Coal Fields I think that's what sometimes called a Chiseled Side hopper. I've always wanted an excuse to model one. I suppose if one appeared onlyin an operating session every two years it could be justified.
Thanks, George Courtney
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Re: boxcars can be lined up on two tracks
Dennis Storzek
On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 10:39 AM, Michael Aufderheide wrote:
Most flat roofs of that era and later in the Midwest are "tar paper". More accurately; roofing felts tarred over in several layers. I have crawled over many and on hot days, had the gooey tar on as many pairs of shoes. The felts do not have a granulated top coat, just goo.Often called a "mopped roof" because the hot tar (or asphalt) is applied with a mop. That's what the near end closest to the camera looks like. However, further away, each 3' x 33' strip is a slightly different color. I suspect they had a roof leak and sent somebody up there to patch it with a few rolls of 'roll roofing' which is the proper name for the rolls with the granuals on it. Dennis Storzek
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Re: boxcars can be lined up on two tracks
Jack McGarry
John,
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I have not yet had any calls on the model. Not unusual for the higher end models given the current situation. Stay safe. Jack Jack McGarry Allegheny Scale Models 470 Schooley's Mountain Road Suite 117 Hackettstown, New Jersey. 07840 www.alleghenyscale.com oscale@... Business - 908-684-2070 Mobile - 908-436-7581
On Apr 25, 2020, at 3:07 PM, James SANDIFER <steve.sandifer@...> wrote:
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Re: Santa Fe Fe-24 and Fe-28 photos
Jim Gates
The originally passenger equipped cars were 10000 to 10199. The 100 that were converted were 10200 to 10299. These were renumber 4100 to 4399. Most of these kept there passenger equipment until the end of passenger service. 10338 was never passenger equipped. It is one of the cars that ended up with a swapped set of Allied Full Cushion trucks. 10326 did also, probably quite a few more. The other photos Tim sent were either builder's photos are at delivery. I agree that the steam hoses do not appear to be installed. The same can be said for the builder's photos in Richard's book. It is possible these items were not installed until after delivery. In service photos do show the steam lines. Jim Gates
On Saturday, April 25, 2020, 12:45:13 PM CDT, mopacfirst <ron.merrick@...> wrote: The photo of AT 10338 clearly shows a shop date of 11-46 (Topeka). Conjecturing, this one could have been moved to freight service, repainted and had the steam and signal lines removed. The other three photos show cars as new, the picture filename says 1941. Conjecturing again, they could have had the steam and signal lines installed at Topeka after receipt. Tom Birkett's observations match with this conjecture. My Santa Fe freight car books have moved, but I have not, so I have no other data points to contribute. Ron Merrick
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Re: Rapido NP boxcar
I agree the shape of the Rapido truck is nice. The issue is the spring plank is prominent in photos and absent or subtle on the model.
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On Apr 25, 2020, at 3:04 PM, Kemal Mumcu via groups.io <kemal_mumcu@...> wrote:
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Re: boxcars can be lined up on two tracks
Steve SANDIFER
The photo is entitled: GalewoodIL MilwaukeeRd 1943. I think it is from the US Government collection.
J. Stephen Sandifer
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Scott
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 9:44 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] boxcars can be lined up on two tracks
Do you know the date of that photo James?
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Re: Santa Fe Fe-24 and Fe-28 photos
Steve SANDIFER
According to Richard Hendrickson: “The first 200 FE-24s were delivered with steam and signal lines, marker lamp brackets, and special paint jobs for passenger express service.…The Santa Fe’s passenger-equipped FE-24s numbered 10000-10199 had Allied Full Cushion pedestal trucks and were painted coach green (dark olive) with black roofs and underbodies. Stenciling was Dulux gold and included the system maps and slogans that were then being applied to all of the Santa Fe’s box, automobile, and refrigerator cars….The other 300 FE-24s numbered 10200-10499 were assigned to general merchandise service and painted the usual freight scheme… When the volume of express shipments grew dramatically after…WWI, the Santa Fe installed passenger equipment on another hundred FE-24s in 1943 and assigned them to express service. Shortly afterward, all of the FE-24 express cars were given passenger car numbers in the 4100-4399 series, leaving on the FE-24s numbered 10300-10499 in the freight car pool. Also as they were repainted, the express cars lost their maps and slogans. About the same time, there was a great flurry of truck swapping among the FE-24s. It had been found that the Allied Full Cushion trucks, though smoother riding than conventional freight trucks, were prone to derailment. When the truck manufacturer was unable to cure this problem, the Santa Fe equipped the express service FE-24s with Barber S-2 Stabilized freight trucks removed from freight service FE-24s, supplemented with some new ASF A-3 Ride Control trucks. The Allied trucks removed from the express car fleet were then installed on FE-24s in the freight car fleet. When derailment problems with Allied trucks persisted even at freight train speeds, they were taken out of service entirely in the late 1940s and were banned by the AAR in interchange service by the mid-1950s…. Four different trucks were installed on four express service FE-24s in the late 1940s: 4108 had Keystone trucks, 4197 had Chrysler FR-5-D trucks, 4230 had LFM trucks, and 4281 had Scullin trucks. None of these trucks performed significantly better than the Barber and ASF freight trucks to justify their added expense and all of the FE-24s in both express and freight service eventually ended up rolling on Barber S-2 and ASF A-3 freight trucks with built in bolster snubbers. Then in the mid-1960s express FE-24s in the 4100-4178 series were equipped with roller bearing trucks.”
J. Stephen Sandifer
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Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 9:25 AM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Santa Fe Fe-24 and Fe-28 photos
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Re: Rapido NP boxcar
Kemal Mumcu
I'm not an NP expert but I believe these cars kept the Rapido trucks their whole life. I bought some Tahoe trucks thinking the detail would be better but I found the Rapido trucks much closer to the prototype.
You can just file down that protruding portion on the Rapido frame and use any truck type you want really. The bigger challenge for me was filing down the bolster height so the Rapido trucks sit at the right height on this car. Colin Meikle
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Notice: InterMountain Parts Requests
Notice: InterMountain Parts Requests Courtesy of a "heads-up" from John Hodson, the InterMountain website says they "...are no longer accepting non-warranty parts requests. This includes, but is not limited to, parts used in kitbashing, scratchbuilding, and/or any model customization purposes." Details (but not parts!): https://www.intermountain-railway.com/customerservice/csparts.html Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Rapido NP boxcar
Decided to work on an “easy” model today and I’ve run into a quandary. The trucks tool by rapido look like the ones that are under the Northern Pacific cars in the instructions but the spring plank is very subtle. The photo shows a rapido side frame next to an accurail side frame for comparison.
The nubs of the plank on the Rapido car are recessed next to the springs and do not extend out. The spring plank under the springs is nearly invisible at normal viewing angles. The Rapido cars also have an atypical bolster that will require surgery to fit different trucks. (Pet peeve can manufacturer’s use a universal design. Several manufacturer’s use different types making truck swapping more difficult than it should be. This is not just a Rapido comment.) So my question to the NP experts out there did these cars keep the same trucks all their life? What have others done? Brian J. Carlson
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Building Roofs - was Re: boxcars can be lined up on two tracks
earlyrail
<Most flat roofs of that era and later in the Midwest are "tar paper".
More accurately; roofing felts tarred over in several layers. I have
crawled over many and on hot days, had the gooey tar on as many pairs of
shoes. The felts do not have a granulated top coat, just goo.> I think a lot of what is being car "tar paper" roofs is really rolled roofing. Think 30" wide rolls of granulated roofing material. It would look like tar paper in many photos. Very common on secondary farm buildings in the 1950's where I grew up Howard Garner
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Re: Santa Fe Fe-24 and Fe-28 photos
Craig Wilson
GTW did roster 50-foot cars with end doors. Some lasted long enough to be sold off to other railroads (I remember one that ended up on the Michigan Northern Ry post-1976 and I am certain that the end doors were welded shut by that time). Wabash also had some although it is uncertain that any would have wandered into New England. As to the Ann Arbor (and I know more about their freight car fleet than any sane person ought to) it rostered NO 50-foot boxcars. There were 1920's-built single sheath cars including the one modeled by Speedwitch. These were neat cars with taller-than-usual Hutchins ends and were built as door-and-a-half cars with many of them converted to single door cars. Rob Adams wrote a comprehensive history of them for Ted Culotta's Prototype Railroad Modeling, Vol 2 and there is a picture of one of them in Maine on the BAR loaded with pulpwood. Some had racks for battery loading as the Globe-Union Company had a battery plant in Owosso, Michigan. Interesting operation that received zinc in Canadian Pacific boxcars and shipped batteries all over the place but, again, doubtful if any made it to New England. It wasn't until the DT&I assumed control of the AA (straying over the time line but in the interest of a complete answer) that there were any 50-foot cars with AA reporting marks. Small groups of DT&I cars were given "A.A." reporting marks and AA compass heralds to make it easier for assigned cars to be routed back to their shippers. There were both ACF and P-S built cars but none with end doors. Craig Wilson
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Re: Santa Fe Fe-24 and Fe-28 photos
mopacfirst
The photo of AT 10338 clearly shows a shop date of 11-46 (Topeka). Conjecturing, this one could have been moved to freight service, repainted and had the steam and signal lines removed. The other three photos show cars as new, the picture filename says 1941. Conjecturing again, they could have had the steam and signal lines installed at Topeka after receipt. Tom Birkett's observations match with this conjecture.
My Santa Fe freight car books have moved, but I have not, so I have no other data points to contribute. Ron Merrick
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Re: boxcars can be lined up on two tracks
Most flat roofs of that era and later in the Midwest are "tar paper". More accurately; roofing felts tarred over in several layers. I have crawled over many and on hot days, had the gooey tar on as many pairs of shoes. The felts do not have a granulated top coat, just goo.
Mike Aufderheide Architect, shoe cleaner.
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CIM Container Gondola 15001
CIM Container Gondola 15001 A fair quality undated photo from Richard Leonard’s Rail Archive: https://www.railarchive.net/cimbook/page-m37.htm Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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Re: CB&T Shops car shells
Armand Premo
Eric,I could use a few if they are still available.Please advise. Armand Premo 
On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 12:50 PM Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:
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Re: Santa Fe Fe-24 and Fe-28 photos
Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
Thanks Garth, Unfortunately the D&H had no 50 ft. box cars in my era when the 17000 series 40 ft. steel cars they rostered were the longest boxcars they had. Lots of 36 ft. wood sheathed cars were still present, however. Somehow I suspect you are not far from I-81 which is a road I see too much of between here and your area. At least the Schenectady - Binghampton portion of it is quite scenic though not a much fun as when the D&H still owned the paralleling rails. Sometimes I still use NY Rt. #7 just to bring back old memories and will have to swing up to Cooperstown one of thes e days and see what is lleft there. My best, Don Valentine
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Re: Santa Fe Fe-24 and Fe-28 photos
Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
Hi Tim, Unfortunately ORER's don't provide any info regarding use or usual routes. They do, However, tell me that your ATSF 10338 was one of 50 cars in the 10300-10350 group that list no special features such as being equipped for passenger service. What is shown is that they were simply 50 ft. cars with 15 ft. staggered doors, My best, Don Valentine
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Re: Santa Fe Fe-24 and Fe-28 photos
I seem to recall the Allied full-cushion trucks were banned from interchange about 1959 due to excessive derailments.
Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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