Re: Speaking of rivets
Ken O'Brien
Umm-USA carries some:
http://umm-usa.com/onlinestore/product_info.php?cPath=21_226&products_id=5048
Ken O'Brien
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Re: Speaking of rivets
Lester Breuer
The photo
Lester Breuer
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Re: Speaking of rivets
Lester Breuer
I happen to have a box of the x-ray film. Thought they would make great flat car weights until I used them on a car and found how many you need to weight one car. Never thought to use for making rivets.
Lester Breuer
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Re: Photo: Pullman Company Boxcar PLM X2023
I can easily imagine the uses Pullman could have for boxcars. First, samples to send around for railroads to examine. Secondly, resupplying the many repair and service points of the Pullman system all over the country. Light bulbs, brake shoes, generator belts, toilet paper, and certainly jugs of that special Pullman disinfectant with the special aroma. Everything from air conditioning fans to tickets had to be on hand everywhere Pullman went. Ship it by rail was the sensible way to go. Chuck Peck
On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 6:36 PM Ray Hutchison <rayhutchison2@...> wrote:
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Re: HO Tank Car Walkway Upgrades
Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
Don Valentine wrote:
There is a simple answer, from Ed Kaminski who worked with the AC&F tank car plant for years. The answer? it was buyer choice. Tony Thompson Thank you Tony. But that answers only one of the questions. The other is what determined which side of. the dome the single walkway was applied to? I do have Ed's book on tank cars but having arrived only hours before the question was raised here I have not had time yet to more than glance at it. Cordially, Don Valentine
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Re: Photo: NP Reefer 91497
Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
Kooks to have been a poor investment having lasted only 20 years. No doubt this is one reason railroads themselves were often hesitant to invest in reefers. Did we ever figure out and agree on when the "Main Street of the Northwest" slogan began t be applied to No. Pac. freight equipment? If so is the date universal for all No. Pac. freight equipment of only certain car types, like reefers? Cordially, Don Valentine
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Re: Photo: Pullman Company Boxcar PLM X2023
John Barry
http://www.idaillinois.org/cdm/compoundobject/collection/pshs/id/19536/rec/72 Use of the PLM box would be pure speculation on my part, but the detail photo in the link above clearly shows the imperfect alignment of the end and side grabs. John Barry ATSF North Bay Lines Golden Gates & Fast Freights Lovettsville, VA 707-490-9696 PO Box 44736 Washington, DC 20026-4736
On Saturday, May 2, 2020, 06:36:38 PM EDT, Ray Hutchison <rayhutchison2@...> wrote: What were these used for? On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 6:27 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
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Re: Intermountain news in HO and O scale
Ted, Of course, I'm interrested in the O Scale. Did you get any tank cars? That Peper offer does sound good. Rob Manley
"Better modeling through personal embarrassment"
On Friday, May 1, 2020, 07:34:07 PM CDT, Ted Schnepf <railsunl@...> wrote:
Hello Everyone, Intermountian's newest HO arrivals, are PFE wood side reefers, from several different clases and paint schemes. The first class is, R-30-18 in four different paint schemes and in 6 nrew numbers for eack group. There is one paint scheme offered in the R-40-19 class and two paint schemes offered in the R-30-21 class. These cars join the earlier release of the Deco end boxcars (C&O-B&O), the CN/ONT with NSC ends, the C&EI slogan cars, and DLW, NYC, A&EC, and Copper Range cars. All are in stock and ready to ship. In O scale, I now have all the remaining Intermountain stock of cars and parts. Its about 180 large boxes, on 5 pallets, stacked 7' high. There are ready to run cars mostly from the early 1990's (yes, almost 30 years ago), there are some kits from the same era, and then boxes of parts. If you are interested in the O scale, contact me off list and I can send a list of the remaining cars. As I open boxes I seem to keep finding surprises. I also have a deal on Pepper Packing reefers in O scale. $10/ car RTR, three car min order. If you ever wanted to kitbash an O scale car here is a cheap date. As always, requests off list. Rails Unlimited Ted Schnepf 126 Will Scarlet, Elgin, Ill. 60120 847=697-5353
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Re: [shake-n-take] Greg
Robert kirkham
Really appreciate your sharing this Schuyler. I hardly knew him, but have found hearing of his illness and now his passing very sad.
I only knew Greg through years of enjoying his modelling in magazines and then at Cocoa Beach. First time for me was in ‘07, and I was fortunate when they managed to get me one of the kits for the Khan’s reefer. I remember how encouraging and friendly he (and other presenters) was there. It was inspiring. Frankly, the whole event was a bit awesome for a newbie; so many “names” in the room all taking part and having fun. What a cool event. Even now I wish I knew how it came to be.
I made it back a few times and participated in other Shake and take clinics. Also listened to Greg’s other clinics, including in 2019 on weathering. His tips on so many simple but effective things – like using pie plates – helped transform my modelling. Plus his contributions on this list. He was friendly and at least once even offered to help with our annual proto meet up here in BC (I never really had the ability to take him up on it).
I feel a very large gap with his passing. My sympathy is with his wife, his family and his close friends. I’m very sorry to hear of his passing and their loss. And my prayers are with them.
Rob Kirkham
From: shake-n-take@groups.io <shake-n-take@groups.io>
On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 7:11 PM To: RealSTMFC@groups.io; shake-n-take@groups.io Subject: [shake-n-take] Greg
It’s taken me a while to get ready . . . no, to be able, to write about this.
Greg’s passing has hit me much harder than I thought it might. I was aware for quite some time that he was infected with the corona virus, and that it was not going well. I spoke to both Sandy and his brother to seek their permission to post the information to the Shake’n’Take and RealSTMFC lists. Both were grateful for my reaching out to do that.
I don’t remember the first SnT kit that I signed up for. It was quite a few years ago. I found some of them relatively straightforward, built them and brought them back to Cocoa. Some I am still intending to go back and finish. One I have to finish again. But I got to know Greg well after I think the second one I took to build. I had struggled through his somewhat vague instructions and after his presentation, I simply said “Give me that set of instructions.” He didn’t understand at first that I didn’t mean another paper copy, I meant the computer file, but when I explained that I wanted to, with his permission, rewrite it so it would be more readable, he gave them to me immediately.
I’ve rewritten many of the instructions for the various SnT projects ever since. And in doing so I got to know Greg quite well, for someone who lived 2600 miles away, and who, with one exception, I only saw annually in Cocoa Beach. Lots of late-night phone calls to initially talk about the next SnT project, or other potential projects for future years, which generally wandered off into our working lives and family successes and . . . difficulties. Some of Greg’s instructions, it turned out, were written very after the fact, sometimes months later. I’d occasionally have to ask him if he really did it that way, because it seemed to me that a different sequence simply had to be better. He’d sheepishly agree and acknowledge that he didn’t remember it correctly when he wrote the instructions.
Greg’s kits also made me a much better modeler, an effect others have mentioned. Greg also got me to do something I really never thought I could: he insisted that I needed to do a SnT clinic. He gave me multiple Lackawanna and ERIE examples of ‘bashable prototypes. I eventually got him to understand that the Lackawanna car he was proposing would require two or three donor kits, and that seemed a little much. But the ERIE car I did came about because he pushed me to do it. BTW, that Lackawanna car became Yarmouth’s DL&W Auto Box kit.
Greg would call me his “partner” in SnT, which I never quite agreed with. He often called me “my brother,” and I felt much the same way about him. As I wrote above, the loss of Greg has really hit me very hard.
As it has many of us, I know. The posts over the last two days show how well regarded he was, and how I am not the only person whose modeling benefitted from knowing him
Greg, I miss you now, and I am sure I will miss you very much for years.
Schuyler
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Re: wire gauge for tie-rods
Ralph W. Brown
Hi Ray,
You didn’t mention your scale, but if it’s HO, 0.0172 is just under 1.5 HO
scale inches.
The closest wire sizes I’ve found are 0.016” and 0.018”, although 0.015”
and 0.020” are easier to find.
McMaster-Carr offers 1/4 lb spools of 0.016” copper and aluminum wire for
about $7 and $12 respectively, 1/8 lb spools of 0.016” nickel chromium alloy
wire for about $15, and 1/4 lb spools of both 0.016” and 0.018” low-carbon steel
wire and 1080 spring steel (piano) wire for about $3.50 and $6.50
respectively. The piano wire is also available in packages of 100 1ft
lengths for $8.40. There no doubt are other sources, but that’s start for
you.
Incidentally, I presumed you were looking for wire, but monofilament fish
line is another possibility. I’ve used monofilament in the past with cored
turnbuckles, but I don’t recall the size.
Pax,
Ralph
Brown
Portland, Maine PRRT&HS No. 3966 NMRA No. L2532 rbrown51[at]maine[dot]rr[dot]com
From: Ray
Hutchison
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2020 3:57 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] wire gauge for tie-rods I was not certain the correct gauge for tie-rods for early box cars
and reefers? The originals are usually given as 1.5 inches.
Hopefully this would the queen posts in the old roundhouse 36' kits?
and related question about correct size for air and steam tubes on brass
models?
Thanks for suggestions!
Ray Hutchison
Green Bay WI
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Re: Seaboard AF-1
It appears that the Bowser car has a typical Dreadnaught end.
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However, it also looks like something that Greg Martin would look at and see that the ends could be replaced and he woul d find or make new ends. Probably too, little and too late, but I hope that it could help someone. Steve Hile
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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Thompson Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2020 8:32 PM To: RealSTMFC@groups.io Subject: [RealSTMFC] Seaboard AF-1 A friend, not local, has offered me a Bowser kit of this car class. I know these round-roof cars had a distinctive "dart-nought" end. Does anyone know if the Bowser kit has the correct ends? If so, I will arrange for him to mail me the kit. Tony Thompson tony@signaturepress.com
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Re: Covid 19 Builds
Lee
Paul I can sooooooooo relate!!! 3 years ago I got the train room and garage, wife has the run of the rest of the house. Lee Stoermer Aldie, VA
On Saturday, May 2, 2020, 04:15:23 PM EDT, Paul Catapano <pc66ot@...> wrote:
I'm building a Train room with a house for my Wife over it. Paul Catapano Winchester, VA
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Re: Speaking of rivets
Eric Hansmann
Film? I haven’t seen a dentist use x-ray film in ten years.
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Eric Hansmann Murfreesboro, TN
On May 2, 2020, at 9:12 PM, Fred Swanson via groups.io <fredswanson@...> wrote:
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Re: Speaking of rivets
Tony Thompson
Fred Swanson wrote: The x-ray film that's shoved in your mouth has lead that is .005". Oh yeah, I remember that, back before digital X-rays . . . Tony Thompson
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Re: Speaking of rivets
Fred Swanson
The x-ray film that's shoved in your mouth has lead that is .005".
Fred Swanson
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Re: Seaboard AF-1
Tony Thompson
Ben Hom wrote:
Thanks, Ben. I was afraid of that. I guess if I wanted a correct AF-1, I should have bought the Sunshine kit <g>. Tony Thompson
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Greg
Schuyler Larrabee
It’s taken me a while to get ready . . . no, to be able, to write about this.
Greg’s passing has hit me much harder than I thought it might. I was aware for quite some time that he was infected with the corona virus, and that it was not going well. I spoke to both Sandy and his brother to seek their permission to post the information to the Shake’n’Take and RealSTMFC lists. Both were grateful for my reaching out to do that.
I don’t remember the first SnT kit that I signed up for. It was quite a few years ago. I found some of them relatively straightforward, built them and brought them back to Cocoa. Some I am still intending to go back and finish. One I have to finish again. But I got to know Greg well after I think the second one I took to build. I had struggled through his somewhat vague instructions and after his presentation, I simply said “Give me that set of instructions.” He didn’t understand at first that I didn’t mean another paper copy, I meant the computer file, but when I explained that I wanted to, with his permission, rewrite it so it would be more readable, he gave them to me immediately.
I’ve rewritten many of the instructions for the various SnT projects ever since. And in doing so I got to know Greg quite well, for someone who lived 2600 miles away, and who, with one exception, I only saw annually in Cocoa Beach. Lots of late-night phone calls to initially talk about the next SnT project, or other potential projects for future years, which generally wandered off into our working lives and family successes and . . . difficulties. Some of Greg’s instructions, it turned out, were written very after the fact, sometimes months later. I’d occasionally have to ask him if he really did it that way, because it seemed to me that a different sequence simply had to be better. He’d sheepishly agree and acknowledge that he didn’t remember it correctly when he wrote the instructions.
Greg’s kits also made me a much better modeler, an effect others have mentioned. Greg also got me to do something I really never thought I could: he insisted that I needed to do a SnT clinic. He gave me multiple Lackawanna and ERIE examples of ‘bashable prototypes. I eventually got him to understand that the Lackawanna car he was proposing would require two or three donor kits, and that seemed a little much. But the ERIE car I did came about because he pushed me to do it. BTW, that Lackawanna car became Yarmouth’s DL&W Auto Box kit.
Greg would call me his “partner” in SnT, which I never quite agreed with. He often called me “my brother,” and I felt much the same way about him. As I wrote above, the loss of Greg has really hit me very hard.
As it has many of us, I know. The posts over the last two days show how well regarded he was, and how I am not the only person whose modeling benefitted from knowing him
Greg, I miss you now, and I am sure I will miss you very much for years.
Schuyler
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Re: Seaboard AF-1
Benjamin Hom
Tony Thompson wrote: "A friend, not local, has offered me a Bowser kit of this car class. I know these round-roof cars had a distinctive "dart-nought" end. Does anyone know if the Bowser kit has the correct ends? If so, I will arrange for him to mail me the kit." It does not. These Bowser cars are PRR Class X31B/C flush roof cars decorated as SAL Class AF-1. Ben Hom
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Re: Early Great Northern reefers
hockenheim68
I'm working on the core of a 36'4" car right now. Probably stuff you already know, but the GN reefers show up in numerous yard photos on Shorpy in Duluth and in the City of Vancouver archives. The one on page 96 of the Rusty Dusty is a 38'1" car and the one on page 119 is of the smaller 36'4" class built in '02. You can find decent outside dimensions in the 1905 ORER that is available online.
I know there is at least one photo in Leavenworth: A pictorial History of a car but I can't make out the number - it's 5 digits. I'm pretty sure they show up in some of the Leavenworth and Cascade Tunnel Station shots out of Bob Kelly's (Skykomish Historical Society) Monitor to Monroe Depot CD and the electric loco CD. I don't have a 1927 freight car diagram book but I do have a 1950 MOW book with one of the 38' 8" reefers converted to outfit. It doesn't say who it is made by but it does say that the trucks are Haskell & Barker. They're 5'2" WB on 28'8" centres. I notice that the ends overhang 6' (12" more than similar sized H&B boxcars). 5'2" WB (40T?) trucks show up often on the GN's H&B built boxcars of the era. There are some ex-URT reefers in the MOW book as well that the GN picked up in 1920 - I don't know anything about their history. Until I get my hands on an early diagram book my 36footer will ride on 30t diamond arch bars and have four trussrods like the one in The Rusty Dusty. If you want the MOW diagram email me or use the private message thingy. Andrew Hutchinson hockenheim68atyahoodotcom
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Seaboard AF-1
Tony Thompson
A friend, not local, has offered me a Bowser kit of this car class. I know these round-roof cars had a distinctive "dart-nought" end. Does anyone know if the Bowser kit has the correct ends? If so, I will arrange for him to mail me the kit.
Tony Thompson tony@signaturepress.com
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