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Re: HO Tank Car Walkway Upgrades

Allen Cain
 

Tony,

Good advice.

What got me started on this was, what to my eye, is a really bad wooden walkway on the Broadway cars. To me, the "texture" is just wrong.

Which is a shame considering the quality of the car.

May just live with it or find some thin "peel and stick" wood to go over it.  I know AMB/LaserKit made these for gons and flats but there are boards running across them.

Anyway, will save my Tangent and Kadee cars from distruction!

Thanks,

Allen Cain


Re: HO Tank Car Walkway Upgrades

Bill Welch
 

I am pretty sure Plano has a walkway made for the Red Caboose kit. I think mine is stored in the kit box. It will be no small project to use it however as there needs to be a LOT of cutting/whittling to come up with a decent looking u/f. I ordered three Kadee underframe/running board assemblies to attempt to graft them to Atlas tanks with their ridiculous underframe but have not done anything as yet.

I think most of the Broadway tank car should have wood, not steel running boards. It think most of the IM Type 27 similarly should have wood, not steel. Could be wrong however on both counts.

Bill Welch


Re: boxcars can be lined up on two tracks

gary laakso
 

Bob, the end cars on the two tracks closest to the freight house appear to be refrigerator cars while the 5th car over is a Great Northern truss rod boxcar with its end door showing.

 

Gary Laakso

Northwest of Mike Brock

 

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] boxcars can be lined up on two tracks

 

How about this example?

Oregon Short Line Freight House

A 1912 photo from the University of Utah Library:

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/details?id=527642&page=15&facet_format_t=%22image%2Fjpeg%22&q=warehouse

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


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Andy Carlson
 

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Re: Photo: QTX Three-Compartment Tank Car 6106

Mont Switzer
 

It appears that the car is being unloaded through that long pipe that extends along the side of the building.  I hope it goes to a substantial storage tank or tanks.  

This is unusual.  Most tankage is located next to the railroad spur to minimize the amount of plumbing needed and distance pumped.  

Mont Switzer


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Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: QTX Three-Compartment Tank Car 6106

Photo: QTX Three-Compartment Tank Car 6106

A 1932 photo from the University of Utah Library:

The photo is dark but a photo editing program can improve it quite a bit.

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/details?id=542782&q=%28%28oil%29+AND+%28railroad%29%29

You rivet counters will have a field day with this photo.

According to Ian Cranstone's chart the QTX reporting mark originally belonged to Quaker City Tank Line (1930), then Quaker City Tank Line/General American Tank Car Corp. (1935), then General American Transportation Corp. (1937-1943).

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: HO Tank Car Walkway Upgrades

Andy Miller
 

Plano makes their various types of etched walkway material in larger sheets.  You could cut your own.

 

Regards,

 

Andy Miller

 

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Subject: [RealSTMFC] HO Tank Car Walkway Upgrades

 

Does anyone make metal walkways with see thru grating that could be used to upgrade tank cars with wooden walkways to metal walkways?  I am specifically looking to do this on Broadway Limited, Red Caboose and Intermountain tank cars.

Thanks,

Allen Cain


C&NW 106628, a 36ft trussrod box car

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
There is a nice image of C&NW 106628, a 36ft trussrod box car in coal service in 1907 at Independent Coal Coke Company in Utah
 
 
This car is quite far from home!
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 


Re: HO Tank Car Walkway Upgrades

Tony Thompson
 

Allen Cain wrote:

Does anyone make metal walkways with see thru grating that could be used to upgrade tank cars with wooden walkways to metal walkways?  I am specifically looking to do this on Broadway Limited, Red Caboose and Intermountain tank cars.

      You could use and/or kit bash a Tangent or Kadee walkway. Remember that the 1948 requirement to use metal walkways did NOT require older cars to have their walkways replaced. You could find tank cars with wood walkways still in use into the 1980s. So it would seem to me that you need to be sure you know the build dates of your tank cars before you replace walkways.

Tony Thompson




Re: partial view of a PRR class G25 steel gon

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Oops, let’s try that again...
 
 
I thank Richard Brennan for letting me know I got the link wrong, thanks Richard!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

From: Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;)
Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2020 1:25 PM
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Subject: [RealSTMFC] partial view of a PRR class G25 steel gon
 
Hi List Members,
 
We have a partial view of a PRR class G25 steel gon in Utah - this is the USRA steel gon as built during the 1918-1920 period. Note drop ends and Andrews trucks.
 
 
As with other images in this collection, I feel it is best viewed using the “Download” feature, since this lets you see the image in it’s native full resolution.
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: Carnegie Steel built some of the earliest 65 foot mill gons

mopacfirst
 

These are interesting photos.  In one, the car is marked Homestead Works, which is a bit east of Utah.  (perhaps the library acquired them not as part of a local history project.)

And the product in the laydown yard, where the car is spotted, looks more like wire or bar to me.  The individuals linking hands in front of the car look a bit small to be working in a steel yard, or lumber yard as the case may be.

Ron Merrick


Re: nice scene showing a bulk oil dealership

Mont Switzer
 

The individuals and/or companies offering tank wagon servcie were typically independent contractors.  They owned the chassis as Dennis mentioned.  However, where branding was involved (like Standard Oil, Shell, Conoco, Mobil, D-X, etc.) then tanks were typically owned by the oil company and bore their graphics on the sides and back end.

The men that I knew in this business purchased their chassis locally.  They had to meet certain specifications, but then the owner could roll in his own perks or preferences.  Once the chassis was acquired, typically factory painted the correct color, the new owner then drove it to the oil company maintenance shop and later the tank manufacturer's facility where the pre-painted tank was installed.  

Tanks were built so that mounting pads lined up with frame rails.  They were usually mounted on 2 x 4 hardwood spacers and secured with U bolts.  Later frames were drilled and mounting brackets on the on the tanks were secured with grade 8 bolts.  A PTO (power take off typically factory installed on the transmission)  also had to be hooked up to the tank to operate the pump or pumps.  5 compartment tanks were typical.

The tanks often outlived the chassis.  You could therefore see some pitifully small older tanks on a more modern chassis.

Tank wagon chassis lived a pretty good life and were popular with farmers as second hand purchases.  You might see a yellow grain truck at the elevator that was obviously a former shell jobber chassis, as an example.

I remember when SUNOCO took over the D-X petroleum distribution in my area the local jobber Don Butler drover his truck to Indianapolis to get the paint changed from red to blue and gray with yellow lettering.  Don bought a new chassis (blue cab) a year or two later and had the same tank mounted on it.  The end customer might not have noticed.

My Dad. William M. Switzer,  was a D-X jobber in the late 1940's and early 1950's.

Mont Switzer  


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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] nice scene showing a bulk oil dealership

On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 06:22 AM, Douglas Harding wrote:

The Jordan trucks were Mack Bulldogs. This is not a Mack bulldog. Might be a Fageol, predecessor to Peterbilt. But I’m not sure.

 

Doug, I'm sure he meant the tank and tank fittings, which DO look like the Jordan tank truck model. These trucks date to the time when all you got from the truck manufacturer was the chassis and engine bonnet, and had to go to an independent body builder for the rest.

I agree with Fageol, it looks like their name in script on the radiator tank.

Dennis Storzek


Carnegie Steel built some of the earliest 65 foot mill gons

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
I believe it was Carnegie Steel that built some of the earliest 65 foot mill gons for their own internal plant use. It was the success of these gons that quickly convinced the railroads to buy similar cars.
 
These two images linked below illustrate the car CSCO 534 nicely...
 
 
 
As I recall, one of the TSC books had an image of one of these cars, for those in search of yet one more image.
 
I suspect the CSCO 65 foot gons may not have been used interchange service, and perhaps never left the plant. Can anyone on the list confirm or deny this?
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Re: boxcars can be lined up on two tracks

Bob Chaparro
 

How about this example?

Oregon Short Line Freight House

A 1912 photo from the University of Utah Library:

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/details?id=527642&page=15&facet_format_t=%22image%2Fjpeg%22&q=warehouse

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Economy Oil Company Distribution Plant

Jon Miller
 

On 5/2/2020 9:49 AM, Claus Schlund &#92;(HGM&#92;) wrote:
So many neat touches just asking to be modeled!

    The size of the rivets on the tank are interesting.  If a  model was made I'm sure someone would complain about the size.

    Trucks are interesting also.

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Photo: QTX Three-Compartment Tank Car 6106

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: QTX Three-Compartment Tank Car 6106

A 1932 photo from the University of Utah Library:

The photo is dark but a photo editing program can improve it quite a bit.

https://collections.lib.utah.edu/details?id=542782&q=%28%28oil%29+AND+%28railroad%29%29

You rivet counters will have a field day with this photo.

According to Ian Cranstone's chart the QTX reporting mark originally belonged to Quaker City Tank Line (1930), then Quaker City Tank Line/General American Tank Car Corp. (1935), then General American Transportation Corp. (1937-1943).

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


nice scene showing a bulk oil dealership

Andy Carlson
 

Dennis, and others-

Fageols of this era have distinctive saw-toothed fins going down the middle ridge of the hood. The trucks questioned lack that trait, so I believe that they are some other brand.
-Andy Carlson

Look at these saw-toothed fins on top of the hood

On Saturday, May 2, 2020, 8:36:12 AM PDT, Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...> wrote:


On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 06:22 AM, Douglas Harding wrote:

The Jordan trucks were Mack Bulldogs. This is not a Mack bulldog. Might be a Fageol, predecessor to Peterbilt. But I’m not sure.

 

Doug, I'm sure he meant the tank and tank fittings, which DO look like the Jordan tank truck model. These trucks date to the time when all you got from the truck manufacturer was the chassis and engine bonnet, and had to go to an independent body builder for the rest.

I agree with Fageol, it looks like their name in script on the radiator tank.

Dennis Storzek


partial view of a PRR class G25 steel gon

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
We have a partial view of a PRR class G25 steel gon in Utah - this is the USRA steel gon as built during the 1918-1920 period. Note drop ends and Andrews trucks.
 
 
As with other images in this collection, I feel it is best viewed using the “Download” feature, since this lets you see the image in it’s native full resolution.
 
Enjoy!
 
Claus Schlund
 


Economy Oil Company Distribution Plant

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi List Members,
 
There is a nice view of the Economy Oil Company Distribution Plant at the link below, also a nice image of three compartment tank car QTX 1606 being unloaded from the top. Notice the words “Economy Oil” and “Rush” plus the date scrawled in chalk across the reporting marks. So many neat touches just asking to be modeled!
 
 
Claus Schlund
 


HO Tank Car Walkway Upgrades

Allen Cain
 

Does anyone make metal walkways with see thru grating that could be used to upgrade tank cars with wooden walkways to metal walkways?  I am specifically looking to do this on Broadway Limited, Red Caboose and Intermountain tank cars.

Thanks,

Allen Cain


Re: nice scene showing a bulk oil dealership

Douglas Harding
 

Dennis you are correct the tank looks like the one from Jordon. But the original question had been out what kind of truck, which I thought Tim was responding. Just to keep this focus on modeling attached is a photo of what friend did with the Jordon tank.

 

 

Doug  Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

 

 

 

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Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] nice scene showing a bulk oil dealership

 

On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 06:22 AM, Douglas Harding wrote:

The Jordan trucks were Mack Bulldogs. This is not a Mack bulldog. Might be a Fageol, predecessor to Peterbilt. But I’m not sure.

 

Doug, I'm sure he meant the tank and tank fittings, which DO look like the Jordan tank truck model. These trucks date to the time when all you got from the truck manufacturer was the chassis and engine bonnet, and had to go to an independent body builder for the rest.

I agree with Fageol, it looks like their name in script on the radiator tank.

Dennis Storzek

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