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Re: Photo: Central Vermont End Door Boxcar 4352

mofwcaboose <MOFWCABOOSE@...>
 

It's been converted to a company service supply car  via a "patch job". Both the number and the "MWM" at the bottom of the second panel show this.

John C. La Rue, Jr.
Bonita Springs, FL


-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Sat, Mar 21, 2020 12:46 pm
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Central Vermont End Door Boxcar 4352

Photo: Central Vermont End Door Boxcar 4352
A Doug Lilly photo:
I'm not sure there is anything particularly special about this car but it is a nice, clear photo.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Central Vermont End Door Boxcar 4352

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Thank you Bob, I always enjoy viewing the jewels you manage to dig up!
 
Claus Schlund
 
 

From: Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2020 12:46 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Central Vermont End Door Boxcar 4352
 

Photo: Central Vermont End Door Boxcar 4352

A Doug Lilly photo:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/149706553@N05/38567876541/in/album-72157689269937726/

I'm not sure there is anything particularly special about this car but it is a nice, clear photo.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: New '37 AAR box cars with Deco and NSC-2 ends

Tony Thompson
 

Jon Miller wrote:

    No response?  I'm assuming that was because the car is the same and the only difference is paint and lettering!  I had to wait the 5 years to get this paint/lettering scheme?

yes, Jon, both schemes.

Tony Thompson




Photo: Central Vermont End Door Boxcar 4352

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: Central Vermont End Door Boxcar 4352

A Doug Lilly photo:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/149706553@N05/38567876541/in/album-72157689269937726/

I'm not sure there is anything particularly special about this car but it is a nice, clear photo.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Adjusting the gondola fleet

Brian Termunde
 

On my friends layout, there was a certain car (pre-1960, so this is at least somewhat legal! <G>), and every time that I was working the yard, if I saw that car, I knew what train to put it into and where to block it!

I made a comment (here?) once about it, and the next ops session, my friend had apparently read my post, and it had been 'reassigned' <G>

On another MRR, there was this flat car with a pipe load . . . well, it must have been defective as apparently, the RR could find anyone to take it as it simply was ALWAYS going back and forth. 

Take Care,
 
Brian R. Termunde
Midvale, Utah


Re: New '37 AAR box cars with Deco and NSC-2 ends

Jon Miller
 

On 3/20/2020 11:24 AM, Tony Thompson wrote:
 You mean this one?

    No response?  I'm assuming that was because the car is the same and the only difference is paint and lettering!  I had to wait the 5 years to get this paint/lettering scheme?

    Also is this what Francis A. Pehowic wanted to see?

-- 
Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax  Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
SPROG User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: WTB: Tennessee Central Boxcar Decals

Allen Cain
 

ProtoCraft did respond and the min that he can order from MicroScale is 250 per set.  He does not feel that it makes business sense to add more HO to his line which is unfortunate because he has many southeastern roads that would be of interest to me.

I suggested that he consider licensing his artwork to some low volume printer but who knows if he will consider it.

Allen Cain


virtual partial TPRM Meet

Richard McQuade
 

Since our meet scheduled for Saturday, March 21st has been postponed until a date yet to be determined, we are going to attempt a partial virtual meet using the Toronto Railway Prototype Modellers website:  https://torontoprototypemodellers.wordpress.com
 
 Everyone is invited to submit a picture of a recent project, especially one you would have brought to the meet, along with your name, and a description of 50 words or less to: bdgauer@...  
 
We will post your submissions to share with all.  Let’s make the best of this difficult time!

James Whatley       Richard McQuade       Brian Gauer
 Organizers of the Toronto Railway Prototype Modellers Meet


An update from Yarmouth Model Works

Pierre Oliver
 

https://elgincarshops.blogspot.com/2020/03/covid-19-and-yarmouth-model-works.html

Be safe everyone, we will get through this

--
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com


Re: PRR F34 flat

Dave Boss
 

  Chuck
               I very much enjoyed your article on the F34 flat. You did an excellent job on the kit bash. I agree that the operation is the most important aspect of this car. All I was looking for was how the brake parts supplied with kit are to be arranged so as to be able to assemble them properly. F&C doesn't really give you a good explanation or diagram as to how they are installed. Hopefully it will operate as well as yours once the parts are properly mounted on. I will have to contact the PRRT&HS about this tracing. Thank you for your help on this  matter.

Good Day
Dave

On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 3:54 PM Chuck Cover <chuck.cover@...> wrote:

Group,

 

A couple of comments on my kit-bashing the F34.  At the time I began to think about this project, F&C had not yet brought out their nice F34 kit.  Before building the kit-bash, I ordered, from the PRRT&HS, tracings of the car so that I could better understand what I needed to do to model it from the Athearn/Bachman model.  These tracings are relatively inexpensive and give great detail on the car.  One can order just the tracings for the air brake details.

 

All of my kit-bash projects, as well as all of my resin builds, are built so that they reliably will operate on my layout.  I try to get as close to prototypical as I can, but operations is more important to me than to get every detail perfect.  Thus when kit-bashing the F34, I looked at photos and attempted to place the visible brake details in the appropriate locations, however, I needed to find a way to do it so that the triple valve and brake cylinder did not interfere with how the car tracked.  This is detailed in the article.  Most of the brake detail is not visible anyway so I installed just those two components and called it a day.  The car tracks perfectly and runs well without a load and has been doing so for almost 3 years during my monthly operating sessions, so for me, it was a success.

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM


Re: PRR F34 flat

Dave Boss
 

Bruce
           Thank you for your response. I have referenced the TKM articles. Unfortunately they do not show any of the duel brake arrangements. F&C is very vague on their instructions. I referenced my 1940 car builder cyclopedia as well with no luck. I'm not going to super detail the underside as it is not visible. However some of the brake detail is visible in some photos, but not clear enough to see how they are arranged. I have no idea how to arrange the brake components parts onto the span bolsters? There are no indications on them to show as to were the parts mite go. F&C just states install them when you get to this point. You mentioned the PRRT&HS flat car book do you know if the book provides any kind of brake arrangement for the cars? If I knew the book listed them I would look for a copy as I don't currently own one. I believe the society has sold them out.

          On another note I did find out that the D&H version of this car that I posted a question on a while back is the same car as a NYC car. They showed up in my 1953 car builders cyclopedia. Both were built 1951.

Good Day
Dave

On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 1:50 PM Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:
Dave,

Some resources:
TKM 104 - http://www.prrths.com/newprr_files/newPRRKeystoneModeler.htm  this is an article by Chuck Cover kit bashing the Bachmann car, but it will show you gross brake locations. 

TKM 108 - My article on etched decks. Not much about brakes here, but if you look at the deck drawings, you can see the mounting bolts for what I believe is the AB valve.

The PRRT&HS flat car book - http://www.prrths.com/estore/index_books.html
Sadly, the shots in that book are mostly dark about the underbody.


Based on looking at the photos online (above) it looks like Chuck has his cylinder mounted too high on the bolster and he needs to add a reservoir to the bolster.

And, of course, you need a full set of brake hardware on each end.

Regards,
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Dave Boss <daveboss1976@...>
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 12:20 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io <main@realstmfc.groups.io>
Subject: [RealSTMFC] PRR F34 flat
 
Hello Guy's
                   I'm currently building a F&C PRR F34 flat car. The instructions are very vague about the placement of brake components. If anyone has any info on the placement of the brake parts I would deeply appreciate this as I'm at a stand still with this car. I know some of the parts are to be installed on the span bolsters but I'm not sure of their placement. Thank's

Good Day
Dave


Re: Yellow NC&StL 2-Bay Hopper. . .

O Fenton Wells
 

Bill it looks fantastic.  Impressive, please show us the finished product
Fenton

On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 6:04 PM Bill Welch <fgexbill@...> wrote:
. . .that's not right. Well no but it is just primer. Following up on George Toman's lead I primed my Tichy kit NC&StL USRA hopper copy w/Stynylrez Neutral Yellow prior to shooting it with Modelflex Oxide Red. The yellow really shows off the various improvements: properly shaped Sill Steps using A-Line parts; train line and brackets; NBW's added to the grab irons on the left ends of the sides; and reduced thickness bolster ends visible on the sides. On the ends NBW's have been added for the ladder grabs, end sill grabs and right side grabs; .005 styrene to create brake shaft support; NBW to the tp of the brake wheel; and Precision Scale Retainer valve and .010 wire for its air line.

Bill Welch



--
Fenton Wells
250 Frye Rd
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Re: Yellow NC&StL 2-Bay Hopper. . .

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Great looking!  You ARE the man!
 
Steve Hile



From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill Welch
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 12:07 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Yellow NC&StL 2-Bay Hopper. . .

. . .that's not right. Well no but it is just primer. Following up on George Toman's lead I primed my Tichy kit NC&StL USRA hopper copy w/Stynylrez Neutral Yellow prior to shooting it with Modelflex Oxide Red. The yellow really shows off the various improvements: properly shaped Sill Steps using A-Line parts; train line and brackets; NBW's added to the grab irons on the left ends of the sides; and reduced thickness bolster ends visible on the sides. On the ends NBW's have been added for the ladder grabs, end sill grabs and right side grabs; .005 styrene to create brake shaft support; NBW to the tp of the brake wheel; and Precision Scale Retainer valve and .010 wire for its air line.

Bill Welch


Re: Priming w/Yellow

Bill Welch
 

Jeff, Is it time for members to pony up with money for more capacity? I remember this being a possibility when the group moved.

Bill Welch


Re: Priming w/Yellow

Bill Welch
 

My photos were/are JPEGs Garth

Bill Welch


Re: pdf attachment errors

poweredby251
 

I've had similar experiences.  I get the digest version, and if I'm reading it the same day I receive it I'm fine.  Any later and any attachments default to the group home page.  

John Gadow
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Group/ moderator, Lately I am unable to open pdf attachment to received messages and instead land on the group home page. Seem to happen about every other digest. Anyone else having this problem? Assistance appreciated. jgcat1at cox dot net.


Re: WTB: Tennessee Central Boxcar Decals

Larry Wolohon
 

Norm doesn't list HO TC boxcar decals on his website, it is possible I would think to get them done in HO. Protocraft's decals are done by Microscale. How big a quantity is the question. Larry Wolohon

On March 19, 2020 at 7:15 PM Richard Brennan <@RBrennan> wrote:


Protocraft has them in 1:48...
<https://www.protocraft.com/category.cfm?ItemID=965&Categoryid=20>https://www.protocraft.com/category.cfm?ItemID=965&Categoryid=20

...but they seem to be doing some sets in 1:87.1
as well. Perhaps an inquiry there?

--------------------
Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
--------------------

At 02:19 PM 3/19/2020, Allen Cain wrote:
I am looking for a set of HO scale decals for a
Tennessee Central Boxcar in the 7900-7999 series
that would be appropriate for 1955. If you
have any, please let me know off list.
I know that Campbell Road made a set of dry
transfers WT-29 but I believe these to be the
later block lettering scheme but do not have a set to check.

Or if you know of a source, I would appreciate getting the lead from you.




Re: WTB: Tennessee Central Boxcar Decals

Larry Wolohon
 

Protocraft's TC set is for 1937 AAR boxcar. Larry Wolohon

On March 20, 2020 at 4:22 AM Barry Bennett <barrybennetttoo@...> wrote:

Beware of the Protocraft decals as these are for a refurbished/rebuilt version with steel running boards and a diagonal panel roof.

Barry Bennett, UK.

On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 at 23:15, Richard Brennan < rbrennan@...> wrote:
Protocraft has them in 1:48...
< https://www.protocraft.com/category.cfm?ItemID=965&Categoryid=20> https://www.protocraft.com/category.cfm?ItemID=965&Categoryid=20

...but they seem to be doing some sets in 1:87.1
as well.  Perhaps an inquiry there?

--------------------
Richard Brennan - San Leandro CA
--------------------

At 02:19 PM 3/19/2020, Allen Cain wrote:
>I am looking for a set of HO scale decals for a
>Tennessee Central Boxcar in the 7900-7999 series
>that would be appropriate for 1955.  If you
>have any, please let me know off list.
>I know that Campbell Road made a set of dry
>transfers WT-29 but I believe these to be the
>later block lettering scheme but do not have a set to check.
>
>Or if you know of a source, I would appreciate getting the lead from you.






 


Re: Priming w/Yellow

Aley, Jeff A
 

Bill,

 

               Thanks for bringing this to my attention.  RealSTMFC is currently using 2.2GB of Photos space, out of an allotment of 1.0GB (yep, we’re using twice as much space as allowed).  I believe it is for this reason that groups.io deletes attachments after a relatively short period of time.

 

               I’ll talk w/ Mr. Brock and see what we can do.

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill Welch
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 12:12 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Priming w/Yellow

 

On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 06:53 PM, Bill Welch wrote:

Just primed my M-K-T company built War Emergency boxcar w/Badger's Neutral Yellow primer.

Bill Welch


 Moderators, I notice the photos I posted with this message seem to have disappeared.

Bill Welch


Re: PRR F34 flat

Chuck Cover
 

Group,

 

A couple of comments on my kit-bashing the F34.  At the time I began to think about this project, F&C had not yet brought out their nice F34 kit.  Before building the kit-bash, I ordered, from the PRRT&HS, tracings of the car so that I could better understand what I needed to do to model it from the Athearn/Bachman model.  These tracings are relatively inexpensive and give great detail on the car.  One can order just the tracings for the air brake details.

 

All of my kit-bash projects, as well as all of my resin builds, are built so that they reliably will operate on my layout.  I try to get as close to prototypical as I can, but operations is more important to me than to get every detail perfect.  Thus when kit-bashing the F34, I looked at photos and attempted to place the visible brake details in the appropriate locations, however, I needed to find a way to do it so that the triple valve and brake cylinder did not interfere with how the car tracked.  This is detailed in the article.  Most of the brake detail is not visible anyway so I installed just those two components and called it a day.  The car tracks perfectly and runs well without a load and has been doing so for almost 3 years during my monthly operating sessions, so for me, it was a success.

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM