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Re: Kingan packing

John Barry
 

San Francisco had a Kingan house served by the State Belt north of the Ferry Building on Embarcadaro between Jackson and Pacific Streets.  (Sourced from the SP 1948 and 1928 SF Industry Maps.)

Gives me a reason to run Kingan cars on the car float out of Richmond.

John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736


On Sunday, April 26, 2020, 06:04:48 PM EDT, A&Y Dave in MD <dbott@...> wrote:


Brian,

Reviewing the whole thread, I can see that 1957 is your "error".   :-)

These would be appropriate if you didn't model that error, and instead chose an earlier time period.  lol.

I can tell you that in 1934, my conductor log database for the Southern's Winston-Salem division shows Kingan reefers being routed (with meat) to Mt. Airy, NC on a regular basis.  They were routed back to Richmond, VA .  Other reefers for other companies went elsewhere empty, like Morrell seemed to be routed empty to East St. Louis or St. Louis. And Schluderberg-Kurdle (now Esskay S-K) were routed to Baltimore via Potomac Yard.  That makes me think Richmond might be either a transfer point or it had a Kingan branch house.

A&Y Dave Bott


Sunday, April 26, 2020, 4:25:19 PM, you wrote:

> When Rapido brought out there first two runs of the GARX meet refers I Purchased several that
> were painted appropriate for my error. I’m trying to refine my modeling now that I know more now
> than I did then. I have a kingan car. I know kingan was headquartered in Indy and were acquired by Hygrade in 1952.

> Modeling the Erie Main in NW Pennsylvania and a Pennsy secondary. What I’m interested in knowing
> is where the Branch house and other distribution points would be, (internet search is not helping,
> yet) and whether or not the car in appropriate in my area or should go to the sell box. Thanks.

> Brian J. Carlson

>




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Re: NKP rebuilt box

Ray Breyer
 

As built, it was bare metal with black ribs. Eventially, they were painted asphaltum overall.

Ray Breyer
Elgin, IL


On Monday, April 27, 2020, 01:09:19 PM CDT, WILLIAM PARDIE <pardiew001@...> wrote:


I know that the ends and underbody on these cars were black.  Was rhe roof black as well?

Thanks:

Bill Pardie



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-------- Original message --------
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Date: 4/27/20 5:50 AM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] NKP rebuilt box


Yes, definitely. Built in 1944.


On 4/27/2020 11:33 AM, mopacfirst wrote:
> Found this interesting car on line.
>
> http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/nkp/nkp08239jpa.jpg
>
> Was this rebuilt from a war emergency boxcar?
>
> Ron Merrick


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*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*




Re: Full Cushion Survivors [was Santa Fe Fe-24 . . . ]

Steve SANDIFER
 

Both were troop sleepers.

 

 

J. Stephen Sandifer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 1:07 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Full Cushion Survivors [was Santa Fe Fe-24 . . . ]

 

Friends,

 

Here are two photos of Allied Full Cushion trucks under converted troop sleepers.

 

BAR C10 is a summer cabin near Tilton, New Hampshire, among a bunch of (mostly) restored cabooses on the old B&M line to Lincoln. The track belongs to the state and is mothballed, except for an occasional movement to the leased portions used the Clark family's two tourist railroads and their occasional "leaf peeper specials" in the autumn.

 

C&O camp car X1029 was resident in the yard at Charlottesville, seen here about 1985. The yard was downsized and demoted from a crew change point shortly after this photo. All the really cool old MW equipment was then scrapped.

 

I'm moving on to scanning my C&O negatives shortly. Lots of old MW boxcars in this section. I will be glad to share the photos of cars appropriate to our era if people here are interested. Sadly, I only had pocket camera at that time. The photos aren't the sharpest, but at least I got 'em, and Photoshop can do some amazing things to marginal images.

 

Yours Aye,

 

 

Garth Groff  🦆


Photo: Metallic Blasting Shot Load In Boxcar

Andy Carlson
 

Two I can quickly report are:

11394
11351

-Andy Carlson    Ojai CA

On Monday, April 27, 2020, 2:17:02 PM PDT, Todd Sullivan via groups.io <sullivant41@...> wrote:


Tim -

I looked at the ends and also the height.  The SP&S car is taller than the SP car which has a 10'-0" IH, and the GN-built cars for the SP&S had the 10'-0" IH also (13000 series, 12 panel sides, etc.).

Andy -

Do you have numbers fro the SP&S 11000 series cars with the older doors?  That might tell a story.

Todd Sullivan


Re: Photo: Metallic Blasting Shot Load In Boxcar

Todd Sullivan
 

Tim -

I looked at the ends and also the height.  The SP&S car is taller than the SP car which has a 10'-0" IH, and the GN-built cars for the SP&S had the 10'-0" IH also (13000 series, 12 panel sides, etc.).

Andy -

Do you have numbers fro the SP&S 11000 series cars with the older doors?  That might tell a story.

Todd Sullivan


Re: Manufacturer Q

Jack Burgess
 

Yes, I’ve known Doug since the 1970s. Try

 

dmacleod@...

 

Jack Burgess

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of lrkdbn via groups.io
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2020 12:32 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Manufacturer Q

 

I was going through some old magazines and came across a reference to Doug MacLeod from Orinda CA
as a maker of detail parts for model freight cars. Anybody know anything about him?
Larry King


Re: Photo: Metallic Blasting Shot Load In Boxcar

Tim O'Connor
 

Andy

You're right, I was looking at the ends not the doors. Some photos of 11000 series show
SUPERIOR doors, not Youngstowns. Are they replacements or were they built that way?

Tim O'


On 4/27/2020 3:57 PM, Andy Carlson wrote:
This SP&S car is one of several 11000 series of SP&S 40' cars which has an odd pre-1947 Youngstown door. I have seen photos of about 5 others. Could this have been a change during shopping, or were these pre-war doors left overs selected during the NP's building this class of cars for the SP&S? The huge majority of doors used bfor nthis class of box cars were the correct-for-the-era 5/6/6 improved Youngstown.
-Andy Carlson   Ojai CA

On Monday, April 27, 2020, 12:29:12 PM PDT, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



Nice, and I can read the repack stencil too - GN RY in 1950

That's an SP&S 12000 series box car built in 1949 and it's pretty
weathered after under two years of service!





On 4/27/2020 1:54 PM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io wrote:
>
> Photo: Metallic Blasting Shot Load In Boxcar
>
> A 1950 photo from the Tacoma Public Library:
>
> http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/17156/rec/596
>
> This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.
>
> Very good detail of the door on the SP B-50-18 boxcar.
>
> The bags on the hand truck are mineral insulation.
>
> Bob Chaparro
>
> Hemet, CA


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Photo: Metallic Blasting Shot Load In Boxcar

Andy Carlson
 

This SP&S car is one of several 11000 series of SP&S 40' cars which has an odd pre-1947 Youngstown door. I have seen photos of about 5 others. Could this have been a change during shopping, or were these pre-war doors left overs selected during the NP's building this class of cars for the SP&S? The huge majority of doors used bfor nthis class of box cars were the correct-for-the-era 5/6/6 improved Youngstown.
-Andy Carlson   Ojai CA

On Monday, April 27, 2020, 12:29:12 PM PDT, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:



Nice, and I can read the repack stencil too - GN RY in 1950

That's an SP&S 12000 series box car built in 1949 and it's pretty
weathered after under two years of service!





On 4/27/2020 1:54 PM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io wrote:
>
> Photo: Metallic Blasting Shot Load In Boxcar
>
> A 1950 photo from the Tacoma Public Library:
>
> http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/17156/rec/596
>
> This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.
>
> Very good detail of the door on the SP B-50-18 boxcar.
>
> The bags on the hand truck are mineral insulation.
>
> Bob Chaparro
>
> Hemet, CA
>
>


--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*




Re: Brass dealer

vapeurchapelon
 

Hello Dave,
 
as others already mentioned, brasstrains.com is very nice in every way (although SOME of their pricing is VERY odd - it helps when you already have some knowledge about brass), but I am sure you are thinking of the recent discussion about the Chrysler trucks from American Scale Models:
 
https://americanscalemodels.com/
 
I purchased a lot from them in history, they are very nice, too.
 
Greetings
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
 
Gesendet: Montag, 27. April 2020 um 19:29 Uhr
Von: "David North" <david.north@...>
An: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Betreff: [RealSTMFC] Brass dealer

Someone recently had a link in their post to a brass model train dealer.

I can’t find the post now or remember the dealer’s name(senior moments abound.)

Does anyone remember posting or seeing said post, please?

Cheers

Dave


Re: Photo: Metallic Blasting Shot Load In Boxcar

Brad Andonian
 

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/32475/rec/10

 

I briefly searched and found this keen image of a ATSF BX-3 circa 1941 waiting to be loaded with plywood.

 

Enjoy!

 

Brad Andonian
Seattle [where is sometimes rains]


Manufacturer Q

lrkdbn
 

I was going through some old magazines and came across a reference to Doug MacLeod from Orinda CA
as a maker of detail parts for model freight cars. Anybody know anything about him?
Larry King


Re: Photo: Metallic Blasting Shot Load In Boxcar

Tim O'Connor
 

Nice, and I can read the repack stencil too - GN RY in 1950

That's an SP&S 12000 series box car built in 1949 and it's pretty
weathered after under two years of service!

On 4/27/2020 1:54 PM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io wrote:

Photo: Metallic Blasting Shot Load In Boxcar

A 1950 photo from the Tacoma Public Library:

http://cdm17061.contentdm.oclc.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p17061coll21/id/17156/rec/596

This photo can be enlarged quite a bit.

Very good detail of the door on the SP B-50-18 boxcar.

The bags on the hand truck are mineral insulation.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA

--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: Brass dealer

Jerry Michels
 

I'll endorse brasstrains.com too.  Wonderful folks and the website is very nice, even to the point that you can enter your personal brass collection as a list.  Jerry Michels


Re: Full Cushion Survivors [was Santa Fe Fe-24 . . . ]

mofwcaboose <MOFWCABOOSE@...>
 

Interesting photos and I scanned them for my files. I am always interested in photos of old MOW equipment, even though I have over 15,000 negatives of them myself.

John C. La Rue, Jr.
Bonita Springs, FL



Re: Santa Fe Fe-24 and Fe-28 photos

earlyrail
 

Allied Full Cushion Trucks - Alaska Railroad
Can't date the ARR photos but,
The Allied Full Cushion trucks made it to Seattle in 1964 via rail barge.
Do not know how far the went after that. (yes, I have photos)

Howard Garner


Re: Photo: Metallic Blasting Shot Load In Boxcar

Todd Sullivan
 

And if you do enlarge it, and look at the second car, you can see the original SP&S steel boxcar lettering.  Too bad the numbers on both cars are obscured, but the SP&S car is from the 11000-12499 series (according to my Jan 1952 ORER), built by NP in 1948.

Todd Sullivan


Re: Building Roofs - was Re: boxcars can be lined up on two tracks

Schuyler Larrabee
 

And when people say “cement” when they are talking about concrete.

 

Schuyler

Also an architect

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of CJ Riley via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 7:13 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Building Roofs - was Re: boxcars can be lined up on two tracks

 

You are correct and tar paper is one of my pet peeves, along with cinder blocks!

CJ Riley Architect



Re: boxcars can be lined up on two tracks

Schuyler Larrabee
 

As someone else mentioned in a now-deleted-from-my-computer email, not all tar paper roofs had granules.  “Tar Paper” was simply a roofing felt which was impregnated with tar, and innocent of granules.  Sometimes hard to unroll because the tar had softened and very effectively stuck together the layers of the roll, generally, they were laid down in two layers, set in hot mopped roofing tar (the kind that stinks) directly on the roof, then a second layer offset from the first laterally, also laid in hot mopped tar.  One “feature” of this was, when laid directly on a wood roof, was that when the roof got hot enough (black roof in direct sun, you bet it got hot!) that first application of tar could soften enough to drip through any open joints, gaps or knots in the planks.  Made a hell of a mess in the spaces or floors below.  The men that laid these roofs were typically pretty slender and lean, because all that heat sweated all their moisture out of them!

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis Storzek
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 4:18 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] boxcars can be lined up on two tracks

 

On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 10:39 AM, Michael Aufderheide wrote:

Most flat roofs of that era and later in the Midwest are "tar paper".  More accurately; roofing felts tarred over in several layers.  I have crawled over many and on hot days, had the gooey tar on as many pairs of shoes.  The felts do not have a granulated top coat, just goo.

Often called a "mopped roof" because the hot tar (or asphalt) is applied with a mop. That's what the near end closest to the camera looks like. However, further away, each 3' x 33' strip is a slightly different color. I suspect they had a roof leak and sent somebody up there to patch it with a few rolls of 'roll roofing' which is the proper name for the rolls with the granuals on it.

Dennis Storzek


Re: NKP rebuilt box

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

Clarification:  My question on color was in regards to the as built cars.

Thanks again:

Bill Pardie



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: "Brian Carlson via groups.io" <prrk41361@...>
Date: 4/27/20 5:56 AM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] NKP rebuilt box

Yes NKP rebuilt some (goal was 100 cars, not sure if all were done) war emergency cars into this configuration in 1964.  beyond the end of this list.

Brian J. Carlson
> On Apr 27, 2020, at 11:48 AM, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
>
> 
> Yes, definitely. Built in 1944.
>
>
>> On 4/27/2020 11:33 AM, mopacfirst wrote:
>> Found this interesting car on line.
>>
>> http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/nkp/nkp08239jpa.jpg
>>
>> Was this rebuilt from a war emergency boxcar?
>>
>> Ron Merrick
>
>
> --
> *Tim O'Connor*
> *Sterling, Massachusetts*
>
>
>





Re: NKP rebuilt box

WILLIAM PARDIE
 

I know that the ends and underbody on these cars were black.  Was rhe roof black as well?

Thanks:

Bill Pardie



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Date: 4/27/20 5:50 AM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] NKP rebuilt box


Yes, definitely. Built in 1944.


On 4/27/2020 11:33 AM, mopacfirst wrote:
> Found this interesting car on line.
>
> http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/nkp/nkp08239jpa.jpg
>
> Was this rebuilt from a war emergency boxcar?
>
> Ron Merrick


--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*



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