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Toronto Railway Prototype Modellers Meet

Richard McQuade
 

The annual Toronto Railway Prototype Modellers Meet will be held on Saturday, March 21st from 8:30 am to 4:00pm. The day consists of clinics by prototype modellers and the unique “show and tell” (a.k.a. “bring and brag”) component, an open forum for modellers to discuss their display models. Each attendee is encouraged to bring a model for this whether completed or not. The Meet’s location is the same as last year: Humber College, 205 Humber College Blvd, Toronto, ON M9W 5L7 - North Campus, Building B, rooms B201 & B202. The admission is $20 and parking is free. For information about speakers and directions check our website at: https://torontoprototypemodellers.wordpress.com/ or contact Brian Gauer at: bdgauer@... 


Re: Finishing the GN & CB&Q Truss Rod U/F's

Jim Betz
 

Eric,

  Bill can always 'model' a wrecked car laying along side of the
right of way ... that way the under body details will be easier to
see.  *W*
                                                            - Jim in Burlington


Re: Finishing the GN & CB&Q Truss Rod U/F's

Richard Townsend
 

Maybe whitewash them as if a car set up for a builders photo was not repainted. Then it would be quite visible. 😀


On Dec 19, 2019, at 1:09 PM, Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:



The truss rods and turnbuckles look great, Bill. Seems a shame to hide this work in the murkiness under the car.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill Welch
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2019 9:38 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Finishing the GN & CB&Q Truss Rod U/F's

 

In an effort to make sure any 1/87 size persons “living rough’ can “ride the rods” more safely I assembled the truss rod underframes of my GN and CB&Q models so that I could get a board to fit into the turnbuckles. Of course the boards also help keep the turnbuckles and therefore the underframes nice and tight.

Bill Welch


Re: Brewery Locomotive ID

spsalso
 

I see that that round "apartment building" is in the background of the photo I submitted.


Ed

Edward Sutorik


Re: Finishing the GN & CB&Q Truss Rod U/F's

Eric Hansmann
 

The truss rods and turnbuckles look great, Bill. Seems a shame to hide this work in the murkiness under the car.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill Welch
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2019 9:38 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Finishing the GN & CB&Q Truss Rod U/F's

 

In an effort to make sure any 1/87 size persons “living rough’ can “ride the rods” more safely I assembled the truss rod underframes of my GN and CB&Q models so that I could get a board to fit into the turnbuckles. Of course the boards also help keep the turnbuckles and therefore the underframes nice and tight.

Bill Welch


Re: New early P&R steel gondola model

Dennis Storzek
 

On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 12:50 PM, Dennis Storzek wrote:
Compare these pix to the pix of the D&RGW coal hopper Eric presented a week or so ago.
... Of course you can't find them because they were Utah Coal Route cars... Geesh.
Link to message with pix

Dennis Storzek


Re: New early P&R steel gondola model

Dennis Storzek
 

On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 11:43 AM, Tom Madden wrote:
I've put together an explanation of why the "corrugations" are present and how 3D printing of highly detailed vertical surfaces is still problematical. (Sort of a warm-up for my Cocoa Beach clinic.) Since Eric posts to multiple forums I put everything in a pdf document on my web site:
http://www.pullmanproject.com/Gondola.pdf
Thanks Tom, very informative. This proves to me that Shapeways is just maxed out and still found wanting. It's no longer an issue of resolution, but designing around the "wax tracks". It seems the SLA process is better suited to our parts. Compare these pix to the pix of the D&RGW coal hopper Eric presented a week or so ago.

Dennis Storzek


Re: New early P&R steel gondola model

Tom Madden
 

On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 02:54 PM, Eric Hansmann wrote:

I’ve posted Eric Neubauer’s comments from the Early Rail list after my signature. He added quite a bit of history.

 

<snip>

 

I don’t quite understand the corrugated appearance inside the sides of the model. As far as I know, this class had no lining. [Eric N.]


I've put together an explanation of why the "corrugations" are present and how 3D printing of highly detailed vertical surfaces is still problematical. (Sort of a warm-up for my Cocoa Beach clinic.) Since Eric posts to multiple forums I put everything in a pdf document on my web site:
http://www.pullmanproject.com/Gondola.pdf

Tom Madden

 


Grace Tank Car

bn2204
 

G'Day Gents,

I'm always on the lookout for photos of steam era freight cars that will fit my August - September 1979 timeframe, and the other night, I came across this photo of a GYRX 168

https://www.pjv101.net/film_bw/pjv01602.htm
Photo #1489_040

To me, this appears to be a car with an ACF frame, and a third party tank. Southern Car & Foundry has a car that is very close to the tank car illustrated above, but is a replica of a tank car built by General American. 

http://southerncarandfoundry.com/product/gatx-1638-2-compartment-tank-kit/

With the exception of a few rivets, and ladders, the tank on the model is a near match to the tank illustrated in the photo of GYRX 168. The underframe is another matter, and is where I need the expertise of the folks on this list. Which ACF frame would best work for this car, or is it a frame from a different builder?

Thanks in advance,

Darrall Swift - Lagrange, Ohio
Modeling the BN/MILW in North Central Montana,  Great Falls to Shelby,  Circa: August-September 1979


Re: ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks for sharing Ted
Fenton 


On Dec 19, 2019, at 8:08 AM, Ted Culotta <speedwitchmedia@...> wrote:


Re: Odd (to me) Monon car

william darnaby
 

Yes, it is.  The one I photoed was on a storage track in the B&O’s Indianapolis Belmont Street yard in late 1969 (I was home from college and on my way to a nearby hobby shop).  It was in much better shape but appeared to be unused at the time.

 

Bill Darnaby

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of rwitt_2000 via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2019 8:19 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Odd (to me) Monon car

 

I believe this is the type of car Bill photographed.

Burnt-out, but one can still see the modifications to the original B&O class M-26 box car.

Bob Witt


Re: ATSF AAR 40’ Box Panels ?

Ted Culotta
 


Re: Brewery Locomotive ID

Doug Auburg
 

1c. 

Re: Brewery Locomotive ID
From: espee4441
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2019 17:20:59 PST

Was the brewery in Battle Ground or Vancouver? My quick search didn't yield an address. Never explored your neck of the woods but certainly been along the mainlines enough times. Funny thing about it being brewed up in Olympia after 85 since I remember the "Oly" sign so clearly in 87.
Tony Pawley

 

Tony,

The brewery was located in Vancouver in the block between Washington and Columbia Streets and, as I recall, between 6th & 8th Streets.  Theres a Hilton Hotel & a convention center on that block now.  The track was on Columbia Street and ran south toward the SP&S mainline which headed east from Vancouver.  The SP&S grade is elevated at this point with Columbia Street passing underneath.  I dont recall how or where the siding joined SP&S track though I suspect that it turned to the west and joined at or near the Vancouver rail yard as the mainline is at grade over there.

There was a giant red neon Lucky Larger sign on the top of the brewery that was the highlight of the Vancouver skyline when exiting the Interstate Bridge which carries I-5 across the Columbia River from Oregon to Washington (see attached picture I found on line).

Doug

(if this is a second posting, I apologize.  I got a kickback indicating that my first try was rejected)

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Gloorcraft Models Cash & Carry Lumber co.

Brad Andonian
 

Guys,

I have the O scale kit, but wonder if anyone has completed one in HO...   I am missing some sheets and hope someone can shoot images of completed models.

Thanks,
Brad Andonian


Finishing the GN & CB&Q Truss Rod U/F's

Bill Welch
 

In an effort to make sure any 1/87 size persons “living rough’ can “ride the rods” more safely I assembled the truss rod underframes of my GN and CB&Q models so that I could get a board to fit into the turnbuckles. Of course the boards also help keep the turnbuckles and therefore the underframes nice and tight.

Bill Welch


Re: Odd (to me) Monon car

rwitt_2000
 

I believe this is the type of B&O car that Bill photographed.

Burnt-out, but one can see the modifications to the former class M-26 box car

Bob Witt


Re: Odd (to me) Monon car

rwitt_2000
 

I believe this is the type of car Bill photographed.

Burnt-out, but one can still see the modifications to the original B&O class M-26 box car.

Bob Witt


Re: Brewery Locomotive ID

espee4441
 

Was the brewery in Battle Ground or Vancouver? My quick search didn't yield an address. Never explored your neck of the woods but certainly been along the mainlines enough times. Funny thing about it being brewed up in Olympia after 85 since I remember the "Oly" sign so clearly in 87.
Tony Pawley


Re: Brewery Locomotive ID

spsalso
 


Re: New early P&R steel gondola model

Eric Hansmann
 

I’ve posted Eric Neubauer’s comments from the Early Rail list after my signature. He added quite a bit of history.

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

 

A couple of comments: This isn’t a particularly large car for having 50-ton trucks, so it wasn’t designed specifically for coal. The dimensions suggest it could be used as an alternative for the HS, HP, and HK classes serving  collieries that couldn’t handle higher cars. The P&R did handle a large amount of iron ore and mill products which could take better advantage of the 50-ton trucks. Maybe the intent was to create a multi-purpose car which could be loaded to and from the iron furnaces and steel mills. Actually, an article in the 1/18/01 Railroad Gazette confirms this. It would also provide a reasonable explanation for any cars moving far from home.

 

Rebuilding the entire fleet into P&R 26001-27499 GAd class took place from 8-09 through 8-17, so they didn’t last long as built. Coincidently, Pressed Steel Car offered a fairly popular side-sill less version of their fish-belly hopper car design, and the P&R had a thousand of them. They were rebodied in the mid-teens. At that time they would have been 15 years old and due for rebuilding.

 

The P&R design was Cambria Steel’s first major venture into car building and P&R was the primary purchaser. CRRofNJ 38500-35999 (later 88000-88499) might have been a somewhat similar 40-ton version, but I can’t recall ever seeing a photo to confirm. The details of CB&Q 81000-81999 Caswell dump cars built by Cambria in 1903 are also similar to P&R GAc. Cornwall & Lebanon 1100-1199 built 1905 and 1907 had identical overall dimensions and likely used for iron ore. These were absorbed into the PRR fleet.

 

Cambria Steel was eventually acquired by Bethlehem Steel, and car building at Johnstown, PA ended in about 2008. By that time, the parent company had become Johnstown America, then Freight Car America.

 

I don’t quite understand the corrugated appearance inside the sides of the model. As far as I know, this class had no lining. Nice model anyway. I scratch built one of these out of Plastruct once. It didn’t have rivets. A solid lead center sill seemed to be the only way to hide the weight.

 

Eric Neubauer

BFE, Central Texas

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2019 2:45 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] New early P&R steel gondola model

 

Eric,

 

An interesting model. Can you tell us how long they lasted in service? Were any sold off to other roads? Did any go into MW service or other uses?


Yours Aye,

Mungo Napier, Laird of Mallard Lodge  🦆

 

 

On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 7:03 AM Eric Hansmann <eric@...> wrote:

A new HO scale model is available for those focused on early 20th Century modeling. A Philadelphia & Reading GAc class steel gondola with drop doors is available as a 3D print through Shapeways. Bob McGlone offers decals and a coal load to finish the models. Details are in the latest post on my blog.

 

 

 

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN