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Re: MWR 1201-1275 series Mather Patent Boxcar help - more info
Andy Laurent
Jeff,
The plant sits in the middle of what was the MWR/Muncie Belt corridor that S-curves through what used to be a much larger factory complex. The NKP and Central Indiana were at the west end of the corridor; the PRR, NYC, and C&O at the northeast end. A rough map by Aidan Sitgreaves of the "Railroads of Muncie" Facebook group showing the lines around the time of the transition era is attached.
Enjoy, Andy L. Wisconsin (and Ball State alum…including some Army ROTC classes)
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Re: More C&O MW Cars
Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
Fenton and Friends, Yesterday when I went back, only the links were attached to the post. They took me to the io home page for a log in. Obviously something is different. THIS LOOKS LIKE A JOB FOR THE SITE MANAGER! If anyone is desperate for the images I posted, drop me an off-group email to mallardlodge1000_AT_gmail.com and I will send them as attachments to my response. I think when I get all the MW cars scanned up, I will add a couple more albums to the io site. Yours Aye, Garth Groff Mallard Lodge in the Heart of Ole Virginia 🦆
On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 9:00 AM O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:
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Re: More C&O MW Cars
I'm with you on that as well Fenton
On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 7:25 AM Ben Sullivan <ben.sullivan75@...> wrote: Is it just me or can anyone else not see the attached images? Recently a few seemingly random messages have had images attached that I cannot see, but replies that indicate the contrary. Just curious. Thanks! --
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Re: More C&O MW Cars
lsittler
Yes I am experiencing the same thing and not restricted to one particular devise. Both phone and computer. Les Sent from my Verizon Motorola Smartphone
On May 27, 2020 7:25 AM, Ben Sullivan <ben.sullivan75@...> wrote: Is it just me or can anyone else not see the attached images? Recently a few seemingly random messages have had images attached that I cannot see, but replies that indicate the contrary. Just curious. Thanks!
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Re: More C&O MW Cars
mopacfirst
I saw them yesterday on the original post, but they're not visible now.
Ron Merrick
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Re: More C&O MW Cars
Is it just me or can anyone else not see the attached images? Recently a few seemingly random messages have had images attached that I cannot see, but replies that indicate the contrary. Just curious. Thanks!
-- Ben Sullivan Brookeville, MD
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Re: PRR 254288
Ben,
The original release of the Bowser was also an H30, not an H30A 😉
Regards,
Bruce
Bruce Smith
Auburn AL
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...>
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 7:37 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] PRR 254288
I wrote:
"HO scale kits from Funaro (resin) and Rail Shop Models (styrene); the Bowser model is Class H30A but can be used as a stand-in if you don't want to deal with a resin kit or find an out-of-production model."
Note that Funaro offers both Class H30 (stock nos. 6840-6845) and H30A (stock nos. 30001-30070) kits.
Ben Hom
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Re: StLB&M 1944 AAR DD Boxcar - C&BT Upgrade #6
lsittler
Thanks Steve. I’ll do that. Les
From: Steve
and Barb Hile
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 10:04 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] StLB&M 1944 AAR DD Boxcar - C&BT
Upgrade #6 Les,
The ATSF double door car from a C&BT shops car was one of the late Greg Martin’s last projects. He did the presentation at Cocoa Beach in January. Go to the Train Life site for old Model Railroading and other magazines. https://trainlife.com/pages/model-railroading-magazine-archive
Steve Hile
From:
main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of
lsittler
Hi Bob- A really nice job to say the least. May I ask if the sources you quote are available, i.e . the Richard Hendrickson articles and the Ed Hawkins spreadsheets? I have a double door C&BT ATSF car that would be great to upgrade like what you have done here. Les
From: Bob Chapman Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 10:52 PM To: STMFC Subject: [RealSTMFC] StLB&M 1944 AAR DD Boxcar - C&BT Upgrade #6
Taking the idea of foreign road to an extreme, here's the last (yea!) of the C&BT upgrades from the stash -- a StLB&M double door boxcar. Yes, C&BT offered a DD boxcar carbody as one of their variations, and several interesting prototypes can be modeled from it, including UP, ATSF, CB&Q, SBD, SSW, and B&O. The B&O M-59 would have been a natural choice here, but I already had one courtesy Sunshine Models. So it was off in a very different direction with the StLB&M prototype.
If one overlooks the prototype's 15-foot door opening vs the kit's 14-foot, the kit's postwar Youngstown doors are a decent match. Replacement parts include a Yarmouth Apex runningboard, Tichy 8/8 ladders, and Kadee grabs and brakewheel. The deep sidesill was shaped from .040" x .125" styrene. Decals are Mask Island with leftover StLB&M reporting marks from a Sunshine set (never throw anything away!). Weathering matches the prototype photo -- a heavy layer of Texas dust.
This one completes the six-car pandemic project -- to upgrade the C&BT kits which have languished in the deep stash for four decades. Again, a big posthumous thanks to Richard Hendrickson for the inspirational Model Railroading articles in the late 80s, and to Ed Hawkins for his outstanding spreadsheets simplifying the correct detailing choices.
Bob Chapman
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Re: Photo: CCC&StL Boxcar 44759 With Banner
Craig Wilson
Interesting photo. You might be interested to know that the Tanglefoot building still exists in Grand Rapids Michigan just west of the downtown area and the Grand River (photo attached). It was still an industrial building when I photographed it almost ten years ago. It has since been "repurposed" into a space for local theatre performing groups. And . . . it was next door to a Louis Padnos recycling facility which at the time had its own GE 45-ton locomotive. Craig Wilson
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Re: StLB&M 1944 AAR DD Boxcar - C&BT Upgrade #6
Les,
The ATSF double door car from a C&BT shops car was one of the late Greg Martin’s last projects. He did the presentation at Cocoa Beach in January. Go to the Train Life site for old Model Railroading and other magazines. https://trainlife.com/pages/model-railroading-magazine-archive
Steve Hile
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of lsittler
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 6:35 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] StLB&M 1944 AAR DD Boxcar - C&BT Upgrade #6
Hi Bob- A really nice job to say the least. May I ask if the sources you quote are available, i.e . the Richard Hendrickson articles and the Ed Hawkins spreadsheets? I have a double door C&BT ATSF car that would be great to upgrade like what you have done here. Les
From: Bob Chapman Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 10:52 PM To: STMFC Subject: [RealSTMFC] StLB&M 1944 AAR DD Boxcar - C&BT Upgrade #6
Taking the idea of foreign road to an extreme, here's the last (yea!) of the C&BT upgrades from the stash -- a StLB&M double door boxcar. Yes, C&BT offered a DD boxcar carbody as one of their variations, and several interesting prototypes can be modeled from it, including UP, ATSF, CB&Q, SBD, SSW, and B&O. The B&O M-59 would have been a natural choice here, but I already had one courtesy Sunshine Models. So it was off in a very different direction with the StLB&M prototype.
If one overlooks the prototype's 15-foot door opening vs the kit's 14-foot, the kit's postwar Youngstown doors are a decent match. Replacement parts include a Yarmouth Apex runningboard, Tichy 8/8 ladders, and Kadee grabs and brakewheel. The deep sidesill was shaped from .040" x .125" styrene. Decals are Mask Island with leftover StLB&M reporting marks from a Sunshine set (never throw anything away!). Weathering matches the prototype photo -- a heavy layer of Texas dust.
This one completes the six-car pandemic project -- to upgrade the C&BT kits which have languished in the deep stash for four decades. Again, a big posthumous thanks to Richard Hendrickson for the inspirational Model Railroading articles in the late 80s, and to Ed Hawkins for his outstanding spreadsheets simplifying the correct detailing choices.
Bob Chapman
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Re: PRR 254288
Benjamin Hom
I wrote: "HO scale kits from Funaro (resin) and Rail Shop Models (styrene); the Bowser model is Class H30A but can be used as a stand-in if you don't want to deal with a resin kit or find an out-of-production model." Note that Funaro offers both Class H30 (stock nos. 6840-6845) and H30A (stock nos. 30001-30070) kits. Ben Hom
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Re: PRR 254288
Benjamin Hom
Clark Propst asked: "There are some CGW train list sheets laying next to the computer. My wife is transcribing them to an excel sheet. I noticed empty PRR covered hopper 254288 headed from Randolph Minn. to Ingalton Ill. Really surprised to see that car out here! Not being a Pennsy guy can someone please tell me about this car?" Class H30, from PRR 254251 - 255575. http://prr.railfan.net/freight/freightphotos.html?photo=PRR_254252_H30_E10005_052435.jpg&fr=clH30 http://prr.railfan.net/freight/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=h30.gif&fr=cl HO scale kits from Funaro (resin) and Rail Shop Models (styrene); the Bowser model is Class H30A but can be used as a stand-in if you don't want to deal with a resin kit or find an out-of-production model. Ben Hom
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PRR 254288
Clark Propst
There are some CGW train list sheets laying next to the computer. My wife is transcribing them to an excel sheet. I noticed empty PRR covered hopper 254288 headed from Randolph Minn. to Ingalton Ill. Really surprised to see that car out here! Not being a Pennsy guy can someone please tell me about this car?
Many Thanks, CW Propst
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Re: StLB&M 1944 AAR DD Boxcar - C&BT Upgrade #6
lsittler
My apologies. I have only been on this list for about 5 months and am
learning all the time. Had no idea lists like this existed and am truly a
neophyte. I appreciate all the information that is available here.
Unfortunately, I don’t know yet how to access things and appreciate everyone’s
indulgence. Les
From: Benjamin
Hom
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 7:50 PM
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] StLB&M 1944 AAR DD Boxcar - C&BT
Upgrade #6 Les Sittler asked:
"May I ask if the sources you quote are available, i.e . the Richard
Hendrickson articles and the Ed Hawkins spreadsheets?"
The Hawkins spreadsheets can be found here:
Recommend list members bookmark this link
and/or download the files as they've been referred to repeatedly on this list,
yet people keep forgetting the information exists.
Ben Hom
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Re: StLB&M 1944 AAR DD Boxcar - C&BT Upgrade #6
Benjamin Hom
Les Sittler asked: "May I ask if the sources you quote are available, i.e . the Richard Hendrickson articles and the Ed Hawkins spreadsheets?" The Hawkins spreadsheets can be found here: Recommend list members bookmark this link and/or download the files as they've been referred to repeatedly on this list, yet people keep forgetting the information exists. Ben Hom
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Re: StLB&M 1944 AAR DD Boxcar - C&BT Upgrade #6
lsittler
Hi Bob- A really nice job to say the least. May I ask if the sources you
quote are available, i.e . the Richard Hendrickson articles and the Ed Hawkins
spreadsheets? I have a double door C&BT ATSF car that would be great to
upgrade like what you have done here. Les
From: Bob
Chapman
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 10:52 PM
To: STMFC
Subject: [RealSTMFC] StLB&M 1944 AAR DD Boxcar - C&BT
Upgrade #6 Taking the idea of foreign road to an extreme, here's
the last (yea!) of the C&BT upgrades from the stash -- a StLB&M double
door boxcar. Yes, C&BT offered a DD boxcar carbody as one of their
variations, and several interesting prototypes can be modeled from it, including
UP, ATSF, CB&Q, SBD, SSW, and B&O. The B&O M-59 would have been a
natural choice here, but I already had one courtesy Sunshine Models. So it was
off in a very different direction with the StLB&M prototype.
If one overlooks the prototype's 15-foot door opening vs
the kit's 14-foot, the kit's postwar Youngstown doors are a decent match.
Replacement parts include a Yarmouth Apex runningboard, Tichy 8/8 ladders, and
Kadee grabs and brakewheel. The deep sidesill was shaped from .040" x .125"
styrene. Decals are Mask Island with leftover StLB&M reporting marks from a
Sunshine set (never throw anything away!). Weathering matches the prototype
photo -- a heavy layer of Texas dust.
This one completes the six-car pandemic project -- to
upgrade the C&BT kits which have languished in the deep stash for four
decades. Again, a big posthumous thanks to Richard Hendrickson for the
inspirational Model Railroading articles in the late 80s, and to Ed Hawkins for
his outstanding spreadsheets simplifying the correct detailing
choices.
Bob Chapman
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Re: Southern Pacific GS Gondola Question
Tony Thompson
Tim O'Connor wrote:
Kadee does recycle sprues etc. into virgin styrene, but only ONCE. The excess from THAT batch is all scrapped. Then excess from the following virgin batch can be recycled once, and so on. Any other process degrades the styrene. Tony Thompson
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Re: Southern Pacific GS Gondola Question
dh30973
A good portion of the DA parts were re packaged Grandt Line parts. Same parts, just less in the package. Grandt did use re-grind for some of their parts, not saying which. Before I bought Cannon and Company after Gordon’s death, he told me he saved his sprues and incomplete parts to take to Grandt. So they could re grind them. Gordon never used re grind. Some of the other DA parts were made by another tool maker, Joel Berling, who also used regrind. But he did not do the gondola. Dave Hussey
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Re: Photo: Fallbrook Railway Boxcar 1665
Todd Sullivan
The Fallbrook Railway was built from semi-bituminous coal fields in the Southern Tier of New York and Northern Tier of Pennsylvania to the Corning, NY area to haul coal for the Corning Glass Works.
Todd Sullivan
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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Buckeye Steel Transfer Gondola
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Claus;
THAT is one interesting gon, of course which there are numerous examples of. The RRs responses to the uniquely badly-treated gondola car fleets were numerous and varied. I am always interested in how RRs built new or rebuilt to address this problem.
Thanks for sharing!
Elden Gatwood
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 1:09 PM To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Buckeye Steel Transfer Gondola
Hi Elden,
Thanks for writing – someone else said they thought it was Hocking Valley, and there was a second photo in the collection to support that suggestion
Claus Schlund
From: Gatwood, Elden J SAD Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Buckeye Steel Transfer Gondola
Claus;
That is a different gon, and I am not sure whose. Note the end sill, grabs, and other details appear to be different.
That jogged end grab and retainer location are hints, but I do not know….
Elden Gatwood
From:
main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Hi List Members,
Here is a second photo showing a similar (same?) gondola...
Claus Schlund
From: Claus Schlund Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Buckeye Steel Transfer Gondola
Hi Bob and List Members,
I’ve not done a rivet-by-rivet comparison, but it looks like it is identical to and built to the PRR class GS design – see link below.
Claus Schlund
From: Bob Chaparro via groups.io Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 12:54 PM Subject: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Buckeye Steel Transfer Gondola
Photo: Buckeye Steel Transfer Gondola An undated photo from the Columbus Metropolitan Library: This is a very clear photo and can be enlarged quite a bit. My thanks to Bill West on the PRR Group for the link tip. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA
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