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Photo: SAL Boxcar 11353

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: SAL Boxcar 11353

A 1940 builder's photo from the Illinois Digital Archives:

http://www.idaillinois.org/cdm/compoundobject/collection/pshs/id/19156/rec/73

Round roof. Automobile-Furniture

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Evemodel HO flat cars

Kai Solvei
 

I couldn’t find that car, but old Norwegian boxcars used by the military (collapsible benches) had the marking “40 men or 8 horses” like this car built in 1899 and in traffic until 1960.
https://njk.no/kroderbanen-rullende-materiell/godsvogner/75-rullende-materiell/materiellpresentasjon-godsvogner/4769-g2-8121

By US standard a tiny car, 24 feet over the buffers, and would probably fit inside a US 40ft boxcar 😊

 

Kai Solvei

Norway

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of pgrace via groups.io
Sent: torsdag 23. april 2020 18:07
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Evemodel HO flat cars

 

Looking at their other cars, they appear to be European in prototype, there is a small 4 wheel box car in Norwegian livery which is somewhat odd!. ( I am not sure that the Norwegians marked their cars "40 men and 8 horses" as well)

The brake gear under the cars also looks odd and I wonder if the models are of a European or Chinese flat car.


Re: No visible attachements

Jim and Barbara van Gaasbeek
 

I access the list via E-Mail, and, recently, when double-clicking on any attachment, it goes directly to the website, and doesn’t display the jpeg or png.  How can I find the specific phot that I have selected on the website?

 

Jim van Gaasbeek


Re: Evemodel HO flat cars

pgrace
 

Looking at their other cars, they appear to be European in prototype, there is a small 4 wheel box car in Norwegian livery which is somewhat odd!. ( I am not sure that the Norwegians marked their cars "40 men and 8 horses" as well)

The brake gear under the cars also looks odd and I wonder if the models are of a European or Chinese flat car.


Re: Notes on Using Archer's Surface Detail Decals: From the Boys. . .

David North
 

Hi Sam,

I had the same problem.

When I clicked on the attachment I went directly to the RealSTMFC homepage and could not find the notes.

If someone could send me the correct URL I’d really appreciate it as I have some Archer decals to try.

Cheers

Dave


Re: Photo: PRR Boxcar

Donald B. Valentine <riverman_vt@...>
 

    More likely a USRA clone from the mid-1920's constructed with 7 over 8 rib ends that was
rebuilt in the 1930's with a 3 rib extension added to the top to increase the cubic capacity.

My best, Don Valentine


Re: Evemodel HO flat cars

Richard Townsend
 

These cars appear to be improved versions of the old AHM/Tyco/Model Power 50' flats (not 52'6"). Same side configuration, same number of stake pockets, same length. Detail on the sides seems to be somewhat better, and there are endsills and buffers, which were lacking on the old model. That is a vast improvement. The underframe and brake system are completely different and IMHO somewhat imaginary, though maybe there are Chinese or other cars with brake systems like that.. 

The Roco cars Tony refers to are longer. They essentially are stretched versions of the 50" (not 52'6") flats. The Roco flats are good starting points for the US Army 6-axle flats, as Tony has pointed out elsewhere. The 50' flats have no prototype that I am aware of. 

So my bottom line, at least for now, is they are better versions of a car with no prototype.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


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Sent: Wed, Apr 22, 2020 5:35 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Evemodel HO flat cars


Re: Photo: PRR Boxcar

Eric Hansmann
 

But that car doesn’t have the right 5/5/5 Murphy end for a USRA car. It’s possibly a USRA clone rebuilt with steel sides since a 7/8 Murphy end was used on some of those cars.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 10:41 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: PRR Boxcar

 


Anyone recognize the car with the dark murphy end (black?) and light colored side
that the PRR X26 is coupled to? It could be a USRA double sheathed rebuild.

http://www.idaillinois.org/utils/ajaxhelper/?CISOROOT=p16614coll41&CISOPTR=23&action=2&DMSCALE=200&DMWIDTH=1000&DMHEIGHT=1018&DMX=2500

Tim O'


On 4/23/2020 6:39 AM, Bill Welch wrote:

This photo is from a collection of about 120 photos made in the Wash. DC area in the postwar period, and owned by a person in the DC area. In the early 1990's I wrote the late Richard Hendrickson about collecting photos and in addition to the Ernest Stefan and Harold "Dusty" Miller collections at the NMRA this collection was on his suggestion list. There were other collections to of course but these have always stood out as wonderful resources.

I think the photos were made by Charles Wales. I bought the entire list of 4x5 prints and in theory they are still available. The NMRA has gone "Dark" regarding the Miller and Stafan Collection and NMRA members seem uninterested. 

Bill Welch


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Re: Barriger Library AC&F Photos

Eric Hansmann
 

Interesting to see a 1943 build date on that USOX tank car. I did not know that design was used after the 1920s. I’m not used to seeing an AB brake system under a tank car like this.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 6:41 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Barriger Library AC&F Photos

 

Rob Simpson wrote:



I don't think I've seen an insulated tank like this USOX 17021. Tennessee Eastman Corp. Holston Ordanance Works nitric acid loading.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/barrigerlibrary/49618638478/in/album-72157649155982802/

 

     Used in the 1920s for heavy acids like nitric and sulfuric, supposedly to let vapors sink out the bottom. Or something. That explanation always seemed lacking to me. But they were common at one time.

 

Tony Thompson

 

 

 


Re: Photo: PRR Boxcar

Tim O'Connor
 


Anyone recognize the car with the dark murphy end (black?) and light colored side
that the PRR X26 is coupled to? It could be a USRA double sheathed rebuild.

http://www.idaillinois.org/utils/ajaxhelper/?CISOROOT=p16614coll41&CISOPTR=23&action=2&DMSCALE=200&DMWIDTH=1000&DMHEIGHT=1018&DMX=2500

Tim O'


On 4/23/2020 6:39 AM, Bill Welch wrote:
This photo is from a collection of about 120 photos made in the Wash. DC area in the postwar period, and owned by a person in the DC area. In the early 1990's I wrote the late Richard Hendrickson about collecting photos and in addition to the Ernest Stefan and Harold "Dusty" Miller collections at the NMRA this collection was on his suggestion list. There were other collections to of course but these have always stood out as wonderful resources.

I think the photos were made by Charles Wales. I bought the entire list of 4x5 prints and in theory they are still available. The NMRA has gone "Dark" regarding the Miller and Stafan Collection and NMRA members seem uninterested. 

Bill Welch

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Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Notes on Using Archer's Surface Detail Decals: From the Boys. . .

Sam Reynolds
 

Two fellow list members sent me copies of the attachment so I'm good to go. I did try what others suggested, but to no avail.

Sam


Re: Photo: PRR Boxcar

Tim O'Connor
 

LOL !! :-D

But, if you search for "boxcar" there are a number of VERY nice box car photos

http://www.idaillinois.org/utils/ajaxhelper/?CISOROOT=pshs&;CISOPTR=22222&action=2&DMSCALE=100&DMWIDTH=2088&DMHEIGHT=1638

Tim O'Connor

On 4/22/2020 2:33 PM, Bob Chaparro via groups.io wrote:

Photo: PRR Boxcar

A photo for the Illinois Digital Archives:

http://www.idaillinois.org/cdm/singleitem/collection/p16614coll41/id/23/rec/363

Description: "Photo of an XM type boxcar, an American Railroad Administration model that was used as the basis for the second type of Pullman troop transport."

I'm guessing the car number is 15466 but I'll let you folks with better monitors decipher the number.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA
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*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*


Re: Notes on Using Archer's Surface Detail Decals: From the Boys. . .

spsalso
 

Might be good to put it in the Files section, rather than have it as an attachment.


Ed

Edward Sutorik


Re: Evemodel HO flat cars

vapeurchapelon
 

I think the cars may be Chinese prototype but lettered for "everything"?
 
Don't know...
 
Johannes
Modeling the early post-war years up to about 1953
 
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Re: Notes on Using Archer's Surface Detail Decals: From the Boys. . .

spsalso
 

In my case, the list of posts shows the first post in this topic as having an attachment.   When I open that post, there isn't one.



Ed

Edward Sutorik


Re: Notes on Using Archer's Surface Detail Decals: From the Boys. . .

Eric Hansmann
 

Try downloading the PDF from the message first. Then open it from your computer.

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sam Reynolds via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 9:26 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Notes on Using Archer's Surface Detail Decals: From the Boys. . .

 

I’m not sure if it’s a problem on my end or not, but I’m no longer able to open the PDF file that was attached to Bill’s message. Now when I click on the attachment I’m sent directly to the RealSTMFC homepage. I can open other message attachments (such as attached photos), but not Bill’s. Anyone else having this problem? I’d like to open the file so that I can save it. Thanks!

Sam Reynolds


Re: Notes on Using Archer's Surface Detail Decals: From the Boys. . .

O Fenton Wells
 

The link wasn't correct.  You had to add a letter to the front of the link and paste it into your browser.  When correct id did take you to the STMFC site  Not sure I explained this correctly

Fenton


On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 10:26 AM Sam Reynolds via groups.io <monon=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
I’m not sure if it’s a problem on my end or not, but I’m no longer able to open the PDF file that was attached to Bill’s message. Now when I click on the attachment I’m sent directly to the RealSTMFC homepage. I can open other message attachments (such as attached photos), but not Bill’s. Anyone else having this problem? I’d like to open the file so that I can save it. Thanks!

Sam Reynolds



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Re: Notes on Using Archer's Surface Detail Decals: From the Boys. . .

Sam Reynolds
 

I’m not sure if it’s a problem on my end or not, but I’m no longer able to open the PDF file that was attached to Bill’s message. Now when I click on the attachment I’m sent directly to the RealSTMFC homepage. I can open other message attachments (such as attached photos), but not Bill’s. Anyone else having this problem? I’d like to open the file so that I can save it. Thanks!

Sam Reynolds


Re: Photo: PRR Boxcar

Dennis Storzek
 

On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 02:13 AM, Garth Groff and Sally Sanford wrote:
I have tried a couple of times to correct misinformation and been ignored. I suspect they didn't know me from Adam, and didn't want to take the time verifying my corrections.
You've hit the nail on the head. The libraries that hold these images really know very little about them, and cataloging is typically work for interns. The caption is really just a description for the catalog, and should only be a general description of what the image shows, plus any information that was written on the print or negative... and that's where the problem comes in... if someone has written erroneous information on the photo, it is treated as primary source information. The person writing the descriptions really isn't competent to make a judgement. The descriptions aren't intended to educate, but simply allow the image to be found by scholars (and authors) who can then include it in a better researched work. The danger in allowing the description to be changed is that some of the primary source data may be lost and replaced with information that is also erroneous. Trying to get an institution to change a catalog description is like trying to correct erroneous information on the internet.  There are better uses for one's time.

Dennis Storzek

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