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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] L. C. L. Corporation (Revised)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Jim;

Can we see pics of both, or latter?

I love containers cars! I used to see B&O container gons around Pgh all the time.

Powdered dolomite was used in sealing the floor of open hearth furnaces between heats. USSteel and others took the containers out of the gon and craned them down the floor where they were dumped in a pile across from the door. It was hand shoveled in by a crew. Tough job.

Elden Gatwood

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From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jim Mischke
Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 12:29 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] L. C. L. Corporation (Revised)


In an attempt to be competitive, around 1929, B&O equipped a small number of O-27 subclass gondolas for LCL merchandise containers for overnight Pittsburgh - New York merchandise service. Per B&O memo, this investment was a "complete waste of money" and the equipment was removed from service in 1940. Gondolas were converted back to original configuration, and containers returned to LCL Corporation.

Between their mostly captive on-line service, overnight runs, and inactivity, these were ....

- seldom photographed,
- not known to go off-line,
- and laid about at limited locations much of the time,

... their modeling possibilities are distressingly narrow.


This story concerns LCL merchandise containers leased from LCL Corporation. In contrast, B&O equipped hundreds of gondolas for LCL bulk containers built by Youngstown Steel for years in service, mainly hauling dolomite for steelmaking, based around Brunswick Maryland and headed for eastern steel mills. LCL Corporation was not involved.

Re: OMI 1930-built double dome tank car

Tim O'Connor
 


Good picture. And a bunch more on that web page!!

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/keyword/tankcar/



On 11/7/2019 12:24 AM, Richard Townsend via Groups.Io wrote:

Here's a light colored (silver?) one, without any obvious markings:

https://www.lakestatesarchive.org/Ed-Wilkommen-Collection/Freight-Cars/i-KVcTQg9/A

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


-----Original Message-----
From: Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Nov 6, 2019 8:26 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 1930-built double dome tank car

We have been away for a few days, so this is a bit late to the party.  But, let me say that the Mainline Modeler UTLX 10,000 gallon tank car drawings seem to match pretty closely to a UTLX drawn general arrangement drawing for cars built in 1930 by UTLX with tanks provided by ACF.  The 10,000 gallon cars were numbered 27146-27324.  For reasons that I can't explain, perhaps related to the tanks being slightly different from the UTLX standard, this batch of X-3 cars had underframes that were 15 inches longer that the UTLX standard X-3 design.
 
As Tony often says, a few more details are in the UTLX book...
 
Richard Hendrickson provided a copy of this UTLX drawing to me, and probably to Bob Hundman, as well, as its basic dimensions followed into the MM drawing and then, apparently into the Overland model.
 
After Richard passed away, I was very glad to purchase his Overland model from his estate.  It has been painted and numbered into the above series, and I am proud to own it.
 
Steve Hile
 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of WILLIAM PARDIE
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2019 5:48 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 1930-built double dome tank car

Overland produced many fine pieces of rolling stock many of which I am proud to have in my collection.  Some of their tank cars gave me reason to question them.  They produced a three dome model which years ago I finished as a ULTX car.
I was pleased with the model until several years ago when I purchased a Tangent three dome car.  The Tangent car looked like an N scale model next to the Overland car.  I found some drawings in Mailine Modeler which were smaller than the Overland car.

I also had a problem with their 10,000 gallon car which had a rather large platform on each end of the car.  Searched and searched but none found a prototype photo of this car.  Again Mainline modeler had a drawing that exactly matched the
 Overland car.  Possibly Overland used this drawing in producing the car.

My only other disappointment was a Texas & Pacific caboose which was 6' too short.  This car was replaced with a Hallmark model that was correct.

These disappointments are avery small percentage of the many fine models that they produced.  I recently rounded out my collection with the purchase of an Overland E-1 diesel originally done for the City Of San Francisco.  Overland also produced the version that SP converted to the Daylight scheme with the big number boards. Very pleased with this model.

Bill Pardie



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-------- Original message --------
From: Tony Thompson <tony@...>
Date: 11/4/19 1:20 PM (GMT-10:00)
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 1930-built double dome tank car

Bruce Smith wrote:

I was quoting the man… I can find no subsequent change of that sentiment, and it is clear from Richard’s comments that he was not involved in the design of this car.

     You are right that Richard had nothing to do with model design and was less than happy about what eventually came from OMI.
      At one point he pulled out his prints of all the photos he had sent to OMI. I had a few of those cars, and he had others, which we then looked at. I don't have any doubts of his connection as at least a source of info for OMI.

Tony Thompson



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Re: L. C. L. Corporation (Revised)

Jim Mischke
 


In an attempt to be competitive, around 1929, B&O equipped a small number of O-27 subclass gondolas for LCL merchandise containers for overnight Pittsburgh - New York merchandise service.   Per B&O memo, this investment was a "complete waste of money" and the equipment was removed from service in 1940.   Gondolas were converted back to original configuration, and containers returned to LCL Corporation.

Between their mostly captive on-line service, overnight runs, and inactivity, these were ....

-  seldom photographed,
-  not known to go off-line,
-  and laid about at limited locations much of the time,

 ... their modeling possibilities are distressingly narrow.


This story concerns LCL merchandise containers leased from LCL Corporation.   In contrast, B&O equipped hundreds of gondolas for LCL bulk containers built by Youngstown Steel for years in service, mainly hauling dolomite for steelmaking, based around Brunswick Maryland and headed for eastern steel mills.   LCL Corporation was not involved.



Re: Overland UTLX X-3 tank car (was OMI 1930-built double dome tank car)

Tim O'Connor
 


Thanks for that information Steve. The OVERLAND ad has a photo of 27710. There were still
a LARGE number of 10,000 gallon, single dome tank cars from 27146 and above in the 1970
tank cars tariff book! The photo in this advertisement is from that era.

Tim




On 11/6/2019 11:26 PM, Steve and Barb Hile wrote:
We have been away for a few days, so this is a bit late to the party.  But, let me say that the Mainline Modeler UTLX 10,000 gallon tank car drawings seem to match pretty closely to a UTLX drawn general arrangement drawing for cars built in 1930 by UTLX with tanks provided by ACF.  The 10,000 gallon cars were numbered 27146-27324.  For reasons that I can't explain, perhaps related to the tanks being slightly different from the UTLX standard, this batch of X-3 cars had underframes that were 15 inches longer that the UTLX standard X-3 design.
 
As Tony often says, a few more details are in the UTLX book...
 
Richard Hendrickson provided a copy of this UTLX drawing to me, and probably to Bob Hundman, as well, as its basic dimensions followed into the MM drawing and then, apparently into the Overland model.
 
After Richard passed away, I was very glad to purchase his Overland model from his estate.  It has been painted and numbered into the above series, and I am proud to own it.
 
Steve Hile


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts

Re: Baltimore & Ohio early diesel lettering font

Jim Mischke
 


B&O diesel lettering for most early diesels (1943 - 1962) was a custom B&O font, an extended Roman.    Five inches high.

Color was Dupont Imitation Gold, a dark spicy mustard color.  Not gold leaf.  Not Big Bird yellow.   Not the later Federal Signal Yellow.

Look at B&O passenger letterboard decals in a satisfactory imitation gold.    The spacing will be different on diesels, yet you will get extended Roman fonts, five inches high.

Re: Boxcar With Roof Hatches

Jim Mischke
 



In the 1950's and 1960's, B&O added roof hatches to some M-26 boxcars (based on 1923 ARA standard steel boxcars, a la PRR X29), which were given new subclasses upon conversion.   Mainly for dry chemicals, clay powder, and brickmaking additives.   Shippers could load in bulk through the hatches, unloaded by consignees by hand out the door.   No hoppers.

Re: OMI 1930-built double dome tank car

Dennis Storzek
 

On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 09:24 PM, Richard Townsend wrote:
Here's a light colored (silver?) one, without any obvious markings:
 
It looks like it's captive to the powe plant already. To the left it's coupled to a Plymouth industrial switcher; on the right to an interurban freight motor or other work car. Note the radial drawbar on the interurban.

Dennis Storzek

Re: OMI 1930-built double dome tank car

Richard Townsend
 

Here's a light colored (silver?) one, without any obvious markings:

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve and Barb Hile <shile@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Wed, Nov 6, 2019 8:26 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 1930-built double dome tank car

We have been away for a few days, so this is a bit late to the party.  But, let me say that the Mainline Modeler UTLX 10,000 gallon tank car drawings seem to match pretty closely to a UTLX drawn general arrangement drawing for cars built in 1930 by UTLX with tanks provided by ACF.  The 10,000 gallon cars were numbered 27146-27324.  For reasons that I can't explain, perhaps related to the tanks being slightly different from the UTLX standard, this batch of X-3 cars had underframes that were 15 inches longer that the UTLX standard X-3 design.
 
As Tony often says, a few more details are in the UTLX book...
 
Richard Hendrickson provided a copy of this UTLX drawing to me, and probably to Bob Hundman, as well, as its basic dimensions followed into the MM drawing and then, apparently into the Overland model.
 
After Richard passed away, I was very glad to purchase his Overland model from his estate.  It has been painted and numbered into the above series, and I am proud to own it.
 
Steve Hile
 


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of WILLIAM PARDIE
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2019 5:48 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 1930-built double dome tank car

Overland produced many fine pieces of rolling stock many of which I am proud to have in my collection.  Some of their tank cars gave me reason to question them.  They produced a three dome model which years ago I finished as a ULTX car.
I was pleased with the model until several years ago when I purchased a Tangent three dome car.  The Tangent car looked like an N scale model next to the Overland car.  I found some drawings in Mailine Modeler which were smaller than the Overland car.

I also had a problem with their 10,000 gallon car which had a rather large platform on each end of the car.  Searched and searched but none found a prototype photo of this car.  Again Mainline modeler had a drawing that exactly matched the
 Overland car.  Possibly Overland used this drawing in producing the car.

My only other disappointment was a Texas & Pacific caboose which was 6' too short.  This car was replaced with a Hallmark model that was correct.

These disappointments are avery small percentage of the many fine models that they produced.  I recently rounded out my collection with the purchase of an Overland E-1 diesel originally done for the City Of San Francisco.  Overland also produced the version that SP converted to the Daylight scheme with the big number boards. Very pleased with this model.

Bill Pardie



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Tony Thompson <tony@...>
Date: 11/4/19 1:20 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 1930-built double dome tank car

Bruce Smith wrote:

I was quoting the man… I can find no subsequent change of that sentiment, and it is clear from Richard’s comments that he was not involved in the design of this car.

     You are right that Richard had nothing to do with model design and was less than happy about what eventually came from OMI.
      At one point he pulled out his prints of all the photos he had sent to OMI. I had a few of those cars, and he had others, which we then looked at. I don't have any doubts of his connection as at least a source of info for OMI.

Tony Thompson



Re: OMI 1930-built double dome tank car

Steve and Barb Hile
 

We have been away for a few days, so this is a bit late to the party.  But, let me say that the Mainline Modeler UTLX 10,000 gallon tank car drawings seem to match pretty closely to a UTLX drawn general arrangement drawing for cars built in 1930 by UTLX with tanks provided by ACF.  The 10,000 gallon cars were numbered 27146-27324.  For reasons that I can't explain, perhaps related to the tanks being slightly different from the UTLX standard, this batch of X-3 cars had underframes that were 15 inches longer that the UTLX standard X-3 design.
 
As Tony often says, a few more details are in the UTLX book...
 
Richard Hendrickson provided a copy of this UTLX drawing to me, and probably to Bob Hundman, as well, as its basic dimensions followed into the MM drawing and then, apparently into the Overland model.
 
After Richard passed away, I was very glad to purchase his Overland model from his estate.  It has been painted and numbered into the above series, and I am proud to own it.
 
Steve Hile
 



From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of WILLIAM PARDIE
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2019 5:48 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 1930-built double dome tank car

Overland produced many fine pieces of rolling stock many of which I am proud to have in my collection.  Some of their tank cars gave me reason to question them.  They produced a three dome model which years ago I finished as a ULTX car.
I was pleased with the model until several years ago when I purchased a Tangent three dome car.  The Tangent car looked like an N scale model next to the Overland car.  I found some drawings in Mailine Modeler which were smaller than the Overland car.

I also had a problem with their 10,000 gallon car which had a rather large platform on each end of the car.  Searched and searched but none found a prototype photo of this car.  Again Mainline modeler had a drawing that exactly matched the
 Overland car.  Possibly Overland used this drawing in producing the car.

My only other disappointment was a Texas & Pacific caboose which was 6' too short.  This car was replaced with a Hallmark model that was correct.

These disappointments are avery small percentage of the many fine models that they produced.  I recently rounded out my collection with the purchase of an Overland E-1 diesel originally done for the City Of San Francisco.  Overland also produced the version that SP converted to the Daylight scheme with the big number boards. Very pleased with this model.

Bill Pardie



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Tony Thompson <tony@...>
Date: 11/4/19 1:20 PM (GMT-10:00)
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] OMI 1930-built double dome tank car

Bruce Smith wrote:

I was quoting the man… I can find no subsequent change of that sentiment, and it is clear from Richard’s comments that he was not involved in the design of this car.

     You are right that Richard had nothing to do with model design and was less than happy about what eventually came from OMI.
      At one point he pulled out his prints of all the photos he had sent to OMI. I had a few of those cars, and he had others, which we then looked at. I don't have any doubts of his connection as at least a source of info for OMI.

Tony Thompson



Re: RPM Chicagoland summary

Tim O'Connor
 

Thanks for sharing your fantastic presentation on UP freight cars Dick. Wow!

On 11/6/2019 7:50 PM, Dick Harley via Groups.Io wrote:

I also posted my clinic on UP freight car painting & lettering at:
https://harley-trains.smugmug.com/UP-PLN-FRT

Enjoy,
Dick Harley
Laguna Beach,  CA
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*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*

D&RGW Society Vol 18 #4 Prospector article

Tim O'Connor
 

Just FYI -

This issue has a 27 page article on Rio Grande's Pressed Steel box cars!
Lots of photos including some in color.




--
*Tim O'Connor*
*Sterling, Massachusetts*

Re: OMI 1930-built GATC 10,000 Gal double dome tank car

John Barry
 

Fred,

From the 1936 tank car capacity tariff NIPX 6, 7 & 8 were heater coil equipped two compartment cars with shippers gauge shell/dome capacities as follows:

NIPX 6 A-4951/226, B-4948/226, total-9899/452

NIPX 7 A-4950/226, B-4953/226, total-9903/452

NIPX 8 A-4952/226, B-4949/226, total-9901/452

Multiple compartment domes usually had the compartment ID and shell capacity on the side.


John Barry
 
ATSF North Bay Lines 
Golden Gates & Fast Freights 
Lovettsville, VA

707-490-9696 

PO Box 44736 
Washington, DC 20026-4736

On Wednesday, November 6, 2019, 4:38:17 AM EST, Fred Jansz <fred@...> wrote:


To all interested,

When pictured by H.A. Gerritsen in ca. 1988, NIPX 8 was a 'toxic waste' car serving as such on the NIPCO property, Michigan City, Indiana. Where the other two cars went to after their last appearance in the 1936 ORER, is a mystery, but I guess back into the GATX pool until retirement at some date.
Capy is 100000
LT WT 60800
CH 7-57
Asked Brian Marsh if he could check the archives for the original pics made by Mr. Gerritsen. Would like to see what's on the domes so I can make some decals for them (probably TANK A and tech specs and TANK B and tech specs).

NB: if the car was built in 1930 by GATC and photographed in 1988, it was operating and 'kind of lost' in my year 1950, probably illegally dumping it's toxic waste in the beautiful Feather River on my future layout....
I'm so sorry, but that's how it was in 1950 (on my layout).

cheers, Fred Jansz

PS, also own the single dome version of the OMI GATX 30 10K Gals insulated car.
This one will be painted & lettered for Western Asphalt.

Chicagoland Mini Kit

Gary Roe
 

Guys,

I am in the process of gathering the parts I need to build one of the HO versions of the mini kit.  I went to Yarmouth Model Works web site to order the Carmer cut levers.  Pierre has a half dozen different styles; but I don't have a prototype photo to use to compare.

Can someone point me in the right direction?

TIA

gary roe
quincy, illinois

Re: RPM Chicagoland summary

Dick Harley
 


I have posted my photos from RPM Chicagoland on my SmugMug site:
https://harley-trains.smugmug.com/Model-RR-Shows

I also posted my clinic on UP freight car painting & lettering at:
https://harley-trains.smugmug.com/UP-PLN-FRT

Enjoy,
Dick Harley
Laguna Beach,  CA

Re: OMI TANK CAR FOOTNOTE

Tim O'Connor
 


Shouldn't the reporting mark be
CDLX ?

They're both good models for sure.


On 11/6/2019 12:40 PM, WILLIAM PARDIE wrote:


One Overland tank car that I was rather pleased with was their Western Asphalt car.  The Roma Wine car is from Precision 
Scale and just happened to be sitting there.

Bill Pardie

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Re: CNW 43959 With Hay Dryer Load

bill woelfel
 

This would be on the ATSF's Pekin branch, right? Pretty rare to see any pics from that.  Bill

Re: OMI TANK CAR FOOTNOTE

Daniel A. Mitchell
 

While not comparable in detail to the OMI model,  the old Thomas 6-dome wine car is decent, about the correct size, and far above the norm for it’s time. It came in the livery of several wine companies. The only detail it really needs to look good is a set of Owl Mtn. pressure-release vents.

Dan Mitchell
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On Nov 6, 2019, at 3:42 PM, Fred Jansz <fred@...> wrote:

Bill, That's the way I'm going to paint my single dome OMI car too.
Your OMI Western Asphalt has the correct font, decalling being done by OMI at the time.
Unfortunately Tichy's decals' font is a bit skinny compared to the real thing.
Reporting marks are OK though: CDLX (OMI used COLX).
Your 6-dome ROMA tanker I'm quite jealous of!
Been bidding on one on fleebay last year, it went over the top for me at $400.
Oh well I'll cherish my Tangent single dome car...
best regards, Fred Jansz

Re: OMI TANK CAR FOOTNOTE

Fred Jansz
 

Bill, That's the way I'm going to paint my single dome OMI car too.
Your OMI Western Asphalt has the correct font, decalling being done by OMI at the time.
Unfortunately Tichy's decals' font is a bit skinny compared to the real thing.
Reporting marks are OK though: CDLX (OMI used COLX).
Your 6-dome ROMA tanker I'm quite jealous of!
Been bidding on one on fleebay last year, it went over the top for me at $400.
Oh well I'll cherish my Tangent single dome car...
best regards, Fred Jansz

Refrigerator Clean-out Track

Peter Hall
 

I'd like to ask the group to please send me photos of refrigerator car clean-out tracks.  I need to know what facilities were available at, say, PFE yards for cleaning out their reefers, in the immediate post-WWII era.  If not PFE, then any reefer clean-out track will do.

Thanks in advance.
Pete

Re: how automobiles were loaded onto racks in boxcars in 1932

Jack Mullen
 

This group of photos was discussed here recently. 
A key point is that the trucks are NOT loaded on racks, but are supported with individual wooden A-frames and blocking, the pre-rack technology. This link should take you to the original thread:
https://realstmfc.groups.io/g/main/topic/35071473?p=Created,,,20,1,0,0::recentpostdate%2Fsticky,,,20,0,60,35071473
Jack Mullen