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Re: MWR 1201-1275 series Mather Patent Boxcar help

John Stanford
 

Thanks Todd and Mont - I wasn't aware of the Life Like models so have some new options to look into.  So much to catch up on!

Also thanks to Andy, Claud & Al for the on and off-list prototype references - certainly have enough now to tackle the project once I decide which way to go.  I was up for the challenge of the Sunshine kit but I'm not looking for work just for the sake of work so need to re-evaluate now.

John Stanford
Re: ACL O-17 Ventilation Box Car - "Watermelon Car"

mel perry
 

OOPS:
my bad
;-(
mel perry

On Mon, May 25, 2020, 12:01 PM mel perry via groups.io <clipper841=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
or check epay or railtoadtreasures.com
:-)
mel perry

On Mon, May 25, 2020, 11:20 AM Bruce A. Metcalf <bruce.metcalf@...> wrote:
wrlyders via groups.io wrote:

> I am trying to scratch build the ACL Watermelon Car starting with an
>  Ambroid Kit from the 50s [One of my Cars for my NMRA AP Cars
> certificate].

> I need pictures or drawings or parts lists showing these items in
> order to scratchbuild or purchase these parts.

> Does anybody have any links or information that I can use?

There's an article with prototype photos and a scale drawing in Railroad
Model Craftsman, July 1955, p.48.

Not in my collection, but perhaps  someone here can help. Failing that,
the NMRA Collection at the California State Railroad Museum Library has
copies.

Cheers,
/ Bruce /
Re: Southern Pulpwood cars

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Friends,

Has anyone considered putting a thin layer of plumber's lead between the underframe and the floor? This might mean sacrificing some underframe detail, but should be no problem for empty cars that are operated. Not every car needs to be museum quality.

I remember Richard Hendrickson's mantra for fishbelly gondolas and flat cars, "If you can't see it , don't bother modeling it."

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 1:18 PM milepost 131 <mp131.ghandrews@...> wrote:
Allen,

To model the SU box cars converted has always been an interest/goal of mine  but as I dug into that the "ends" were always a stumble. Many of  those used the Hutchins end. I went so far as to 3D CAD a Hutchins end BECAUSE I too thought...hmmm add it to a flat.... used to be Westerfield sold HO ends for the SU but they were flat (inside.)

BUT the issue was the inside...especially  for an empty pulpwood rack car. Those Hutchins ends showed inside and out with an empty.

And since I model Murphy Branch circa 1942 consists with multiple cars would be typical and ideal. Luckily <g> I'm not modeling Canton so the need for a huge fleet of empties  and loaded  won't be necessary. 

I also remember (when pulpwood was shipped) and on at least once occasions watching a "stick" rock off a car. Not going to figure out how to model that. <g> 

And as Fenton stated in the article those empty models are  LIGHT. 


Gordon Andrews

help locating online sratchbuilding supplies

Ray Hutchison
 

This has been hit or miss on ebay, and difficult to get things from local hobby shop.  I am looking for a good source for both wood and styrene car roofs, sides, ends, and bottom frames.  Suggestions much appreciated!

Ray Hutchison, Green Bay WI
Re: MWR 1201-1275 series Mather Patent Boxcar help - correction, sorry

Chuck Cover
 

Sorry group,

 

As often happens when I comment, I made a mistake.  I should have said that the verticals on the Sunshine Mather boxcar kits are Z bracing, NOT the diagonals.  I don’t believe that the P-2000 models have this Z bracing on the verticals.

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM
Re: Southern Pacific GS Gondola Question

Bill Welch
 

Okay, here is my plan:

—Measure the interior width with Digital Caliper
—Take the measure to Home Depot and ask them to cut a scrap of wood to that width to fit into the body cavity to prevent the styrene from flexing
—Sand the glued cracks with #600 sandpaper
—brush on "Future/Pledge whatever they are calling it this week"
—apply clear decal material
—Prime. paint, decal and move on. . .

Bill Welch
Re: Pulpwood cars

Eric Hansmann
 

Thanks, Dave!

Eric Hansmann
Murfreesboro, TN



On May 25, 2020 at 11:39 AM A&Y Dave in MD <dbott@...> wrote:

My understanding is that the SRHA bought the rights and molds for the Wright Track kits that were Southern Railway prototypes. I saw on the SRHA affiliated email list that they plan to have the resin parts made available as a kit, but leave all the details from other sources (like trucks, grabs, brakes) to the modeler. This was the best option to get them available quicker.  

Maybe a dedicated resin vendor could make a deal to offer a complete kit or maybe just a detail package to add.  I don’t know that is a likely event.  It’s not too hard to collect the details though, so there maybe something useful soon.

Dave

Sent from Dave Bott'  iPhone

On May 25, 2020, at 12:53 PM, Allen Cain <allencaintn@...> wrote:

Eric,

Was this a teaser for a future offering of the Southern Pulpwood cars?  Sure hope so.

Nice article.

Allen Cain

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Re: Hindsight 20/20 clarification

Don Burn
 

Is there any chance it can be recorded, so others can see it later? That is a challenging day for me, and I would not want to take a slot away from someone to attend a little of it.

Don Burn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ted Culotta
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 2:39 PM
To: RealSTMFC@groups.io; ResinFreightCarBuilders@groups.io; Proto-Layouts@groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Hindsight 20/20 clarification

Just to be clear, to attend, you must go to the link below and go through the checkout. It's free, but there are a limited number of slots on the video stream and this is the only way we can meter the number of people that sign up.

http://speedwitchmedia.com/product/hindsight-2020-registration/


Cheers,
Ted

Ted Culotta
Speedwitch Media
P.O. Box 392, Guilford, CT 06437
speedwitchmedia@gmail.com <mailto:speedwitchmedia@gmail.com> - www.speedwitchmedia.com <http://www.speedwitchmedia.com>
Blog: http://prototopics.blogspot.com
Re: "Z"-CAR FRAMING QUESTION

Bill Welch
 

This is what I have done:

Cut 0.005" styrene sheet into strips scale 3" wide. This is the base that is glued (carefully too much will distort this thin styrene) and let it cure over night. 

Next carefully glue 0.020" x 0.020" strip to the 0.005" and let it cure overnight

Next glue 0.010" x 0.030 strip to complete the "Z"

Bill Welch
Re: ACL O-17 Ventilation Box Car - "Watermelon Car"

mel perry
 

or check epay or railtoadtreasures.com
:-)
mel perry

On Mon, May 25, 2020, 11:20 AM Bruce A. Metcalf <bruce.metcalf@...> wrote:
wrlyders via groups.io wrote:

> I am trying to scratch build the ACL Watermelon Car starting with an
>  Ambroid Kit from the 50s [One of my Cars for my NMRA AP Cars
> certificate].

> I need pictures or drawings or parts lists showing these items in
> order to scratchbuild or purchase these parts.

> Does anybody have any links or information that I can use?

There's an article with prototype photos and a scale drawing in Railroad
Model Craftsman, July 1955, p.48.

Not in my collection, but perhaps  someone here can help. Failing that,
the NMRA Collection at the California State Railroad Museum Library has
copies.

Cheers,
/ Bruce /
"Z"-CAR FRAMING QUESTION

Bill Keene
 

Now that I am getting caught up on my list o'stuff to do around the house--we will not discuss what is on the wife's list--I am beginning to layout the sides of an MKT single sheathed caboose. You know ... that little "house" that tagged along behind a train of steam era box cars. The sides are framed with C-channels and Z-shapes. 

My question to the master builders on this list is what do you use for Z-shapes? Also if not an available product what method do you use to fabricate the Z-shapes? The prototype framing is nominally 3x3-inches. 

Thanks, Cheers, & Happy Modeling. 
Bill Keene
Irvine, CA
Hindsight 20/20 clarification

Ted Culotta
 

Just to be clear, to attend, you must go to the link below and go through the checkout. It's free, but there are a limited number of slots on the video stream and this is the only way we can meter the number of people that sign up.


Cheers,
Ted

Ted Culotta
Speedwitch Media
P.O. Box 392, Guilford, CT 06437
Re: Pulpwood cars

Eric Hansmann
 

Not at all. RCW has no plans at this time to produce Southern Railway pulpwood cars.

A new model will be announced soon, but it's not a Southern prototype or a flat car.



Eric Hansmann
RCW web guy

On May 25, 2020 at 10:53 AM Allen Cain <Allencaintn@...> wrote:

Eric,

Was this a teaser for a future offering of the Southern Pulpwood cars?  Sure hope so.

Nice article.

Allen Cain

 

Erie 21201-21298 covered hoppers

Brian Carlson
 

Does anyone have any photos of the above cars? I’ve exhausted my resources and I’m coming up empty. Thanks.

Brian J. Carlson
Re: ACL O-17 Ventilation Box Car - "Watermelon Car"

Bruce A. Metcalf
 

wrlyders via groups.io wrote:

I am trying to scratch build the ACL Watermelon Car starting with an
Ambroid Kit from the 50s [One of my Cars for my NMRA AP Cars certificate].
I need pictures or drawings or parts lists showing these items in order to scratchbuild or purchase these parts.
Does anybody have any links or information that I can use?
There's an article with prototype photos and a scale drawing in Railroad
Model Craftsman, July 1955, p.48.

Not in my collection, but perhaps someone here can help. Failing that, the NMRA Collection at the California State Railroad Museum Library has copies.

Cheers,
/ Bruce /
Bad plastic-was Southern Pacific GS Gondola Question

Andy Carlson
 

While regrind can contribute to degredation, I believe the problems D.A. had with their gondolas is most likely due to their purchasing poorer quality styrene. Styrene is like lacquer thinner--its recipe can vary quite a bit and as Terry Wegmann shared with me years ago, the better styrenes for freight car models costs appreciably more than the bargain plastics.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA





This results from excessive recycling of scrap styrene moldings

DA did use regrind plastic when they did kits and parts. The brittleness runs across their parts line. The handbrake sets also suffer breakage issues.
_._,_._,_
Re: Southern Pacific GS Gondola Question

Dan Smith
 

Tony Thompson wrote;

This results from excessive recycling of scrap styrene moldings

DA did use regrind plastic when they did kits and parts. The brittleness runs across their parts line. The handbrake sets also suffer breakage issues.

The DA AB brake sets were done by Grandt Line and do not seem to have this problem.

I have over 20 of the DA gons and back in the '90's, they sent me a fair # of replacement parts for plastic that was broken in brand new kits.

I don't think they will still do that.

Dan Smith
Re: Virtual RPM

Ryan Mendell
 

Here is a Higher Res Version of the Flyer.

Ryan
Virtual RPM

Clark Propst
 

With most RPM meets cancelled for the foreseeable future some enterprising fellas have come up with short freight car clinic on-line.

Sorry if this is a double posting,
CW Propst 
Re: Southern Pulpwood cars

O Fenton Wells
 

Chad Boas did a good job on those ends, I just haven't figured out how to make the empty car track worthy.  I may have to make the body out of sheet brass.  I have built one MTY as I said but haven't figured out how I could welcome it into running trains.
Fenton

On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 1:18 PM milepost 131 <mp131.ghandrews@...> wrote:
Allen,

To model the SU box cars converted has always been an interest/goal of mine  but as I dug into that the "ends" were always a stumble. Many of  those used the Hutchins end. I went so far as to 3D CAD a Hutchins end BECAUSE I too thought...hmmm add it to a flat.... used to be Westerfield sold HO ends for the SU but they were flat (inside.)

BUT the issue was the inside...especially  for an empty pulpwood rack car. Those Hutchins ends showed inside and out with an empty.

And since I model Murphy Branch circa 1942 consists with multiple cars would be typical and ideal. Luckily <g> I'm not modeling Canton so the need for a huge fleet of empties  and loaded  won't be necessary. 

I also remember (when pulpwood was shipped) and on at least once occasions watching a "stick" rock off a car. Not going to figure out how to model that. <g> 

And as Fenton stated in the article those empty models are  LIGHT. 


Gordon Andrews



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