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Re: New '37 AAR box cars with Deco and NSC-2 ends

Paul Bizier
 

Clark:

Do you have contact info for Keith?  Or can you act as go between?

I also had a reservation with Caboose...no joy...

Thanks,
Paul Bizier


Re: New '37 AAR box cars with Deco and NSC-2 ends

gtws00
 

Looking good Clark! Like the black doors, ends and roof
Nicely done.
George Toman


Re: Priming w/Yellow

gtws00
 

I was looking to paint a  Harvester/Combine model a bright shade of red that I custom mixed and a Cat D7 yellow as well. I could not get the red to look the way I wanted and tried an experiment using yellow, white and gray Badger Primer that I sprayed on a small styrene sheet. Attached are two photos showing the difference of covering the sheet with my red. I picked the neutral yellow for my base and have been now using it under my Boxcar Reds as well. I have been very pleased with the results so far. I have attached a photo of a brown I mixed and applied over the neutral yellow for my IC Mini-Kit as well.
Badger usually sells this primer at the Collinsville RPM a discounted price and comes in 12 colors.

George Toman
Willow Springs, IL


Re: Photo: Barrels in A Boxcar

Mont Switzer
 

Clark,

 

I had never heard of shipping cement in barrels.    

 

I know early cement loads shipped by truck consisted of bags stacked on flat bed trailers.  I just figured rail shipments were bags stacked in boxcars. 

 

What were the barrels made of?

 

Mont 

 

Montford L. Switzer

President

Switzer Tank Lines, Inc.

Fall Creek Leasing, LLC.

mswitzer@...

(765) 836-2914

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Clark Propst
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 10:22 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Barrels in A Boxcar

 

Cement was shipped in barrels for years. Many company's logos were round to fit the top of a barrel. Cement was still being sold by the barrel into the 60s. Maybe the 70s? Four sacks of regular Portland cement equal a barrel. Works out to 94 lbs per sack nowadays.
CW Propst 


Re: Photo: Barrels in A Boxcar

Clark Propst
 

Cement was shipped in barrels for years. Many company's logos were round to fit the top of a barrel. Cement was still being sold by the barrel into the 60s. Maybe the 70s? Four sacks of regular Portland cement equal a barrel. Works out to 94 lbs per sack nowadays.
CW Propst 


Re: New '37 AAR box cars with Deco and NSC-2 ends

Clark Propst
 

I built a C&O model years ago using a Des Plaines Viking roof kit. I used Keith Reterrer (sp) ends and doors. Also used his 3 panel doors on M&StL auto cars. Talked to Kieth about his castings at CCB. Sounded like he can still produce them. I think his are better looking than the IM model myself.
CW Propst


Re: Model: CB&Q "Bomber Boxcar"

William Hirt
 

The track is still inside the Martin Bomber Building. I used to go regularly to Global Weather Central (or Center depending on the commander at the time) to coordinate backup activities. One day we had a fire alarm while I was there and I went with our hosts out to north side of the building. I had some time to look around because of that. The inside tracks and loading dock was still there. My grandfather worked there building bombers in World War II.

Bil Hirt

On 3/16/2020 7:47 PM, John Larkin via Groups.Io wrote:
Jim,

Thanks for the info.  I've been trying to figure out where the tracks ran in and it appears to be from the northwest side of the base, just looking at the connecting railroad configuration and how it could have run into or next to (looks like something was there) the buildings.  There is also a very short section of track left in place off the CB&Q line on the southeast side of the base, and what may be (from Google) a connection at the other end to the former MP that also served the buildings on the north.

Our building is the oldest on base, and it includes a 3' thick brick wall inside.  Evidently it had been a stable, a blacksmith shop and, according to an unofficial source, a train depot though I'm not sure where or how the track connection could have been made.  No B-29s there any more though there are a couple of B-52s at the main entrance and a B-17 inside the base on the south side.

Lot of history on that base, I'm just trying to get a handle on the railroad side of it.  I only got stuck with Officer of the Day duty a couple of times, but overseas not there. 

John Larkin




Re: Drawings for Mather Patent boxcars

Benjamin Scanlon
 


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Ben Scanlon
Tottenham, England


Re: C&O 40' 1930 Automobile Boxcar

Eric Hansmann
 

I also built one of these C&O cars several years ago.

https://i0.wp.com/designbuildop.hansmanns.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/20150805_candoxm.jpg

 

I finished it up in 2015, snapped a few photos, then shipped it off to a friend’s layout.

 

Wasn’t there a height issue with these models?

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chuck Cover
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:28 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] C&O 40' 1930 Automobile Boxcar

 

Rich and all,

 

Attached are a couple of photos of the F&C built car sitting in Northumberland yard.

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM


Re: C&O 40' 1930 Automobile Boxcar

Chuck Cover
 

Rich and all,

 

Attached are a couple of photos of the F&C built car sitting in Northumberland yard.

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM


Re: Photo: Barrels in A Boxcar

Dennis Storzek
 

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 02:33 AM, Paul Woods wrote:
And a general question to the group: Presumably these loads would have required a decent sort of lock on the doors to prevent loss en-route....were they just a run-of-the-mill padlock type of affair or was there some standardisation, and were they applied by the railroad Agent or by the shipper?
Car seals. A padlock can be picked, then snapped shut again after the pilferage is done, leaving the RR liable for the shortage. A car seal needs to be cut, leaving evidence of the deed. Security of shipments relied more on vigilant policing (which is why railroads had police departments) than strong locks. Subterfuge helped also; once sealed that carload of beer didn't look any different than a carload of anvils. Which is one of the reasons that all the gaudy brewery paint schemes disappeared from brewery owned cars early. Any value of advertising was more than offset by the increased pilferage that came with making the cars marked targets.

Dennis Storzek


Re: Priming w/Yellow

Bill Welch
 

I have no idea Scott.

Bill Welch


Re: Model: CB&Q "Bomber Boxcar"

Scott
 

Tim can you post a few car numbers from the ORER of the 11ft cars please.  I have a Bomber Boxcar in my stash would like to run it 1950ish.

Thanks
Scott McDonald 


Re: Priming w/Yellow

Scott
 

Bill can you sand this primer or is it Vallejo that forms a tough film?

Scott McDonald 


Re: Priming w/Yellow

Bill Welch
 

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 01:42 AM, Aley, Jeff A wrote:

Hi Bill, How many coats of primer is on the model?

Thanks,

-Jeff

 

Jeff: Several thin coats. I was also priming another roof and the Klasing Brake Wheel for the model during the same session. This is an Acrylic so it drys pretty quickly so with thin coats I could get coverage I wanted in one AB session.

I forgot to say that I sprayed with my Badger 155 Anthem AB w/.75mm needle/nozzle combo at 20 PSI. My modeling friend and list member George Toman put me onto the Neutral Yellow primer. he used it before painting with a Box Car Red and said he like the look of the BCR over the yellow. I plan to do this too on my WABASH war emergency build.

Bill Welch


Re: C&O 40' 1930 Automobile Boxcar

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

Richard,

Please allow me to add to the other suggestions that this car (series 9500-9999) is covered on Plate 37 of FREIGHT CAR EQUIPMENT OF THE CHESAPEAKE & OHIO RAILWAY, AUGUST 1, 1937. The reprint with additions to the original work was edited Carl W. Shaver, and I believe is still available from Chesapeake & Ohio Historical Society. 

Plate 37 includes builder's photos taken from the side, as well as both ends, plus the general arrangement drawing. The end photos are slightly larger than an O-scale model, and show some really useful details.

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆


On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 7:53 PM Richard Remiarz <rremiarz@...> wrote:
I just started building a Funaro & Camerlengo C&O 1930 automobile boxcar kit.  In looking through my reference materials, I have found almost no information on these cars.  I thought I remembered an article in a publication sometime in the last few years (which means it was probably 5-10 years ago) about these cars and building this kit, but haven't been able to find anything.   Any help getting more information on these cars and this kit would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Rich Remiarz
Vadnais Heights, MN


Re: Photo: Barrels in A Boxcar

Paul Woods <paul@...>
 

Bob, fantastic photos - thanks for sharing.

And a general question to the group: Presumably these loads would have required a decent sort of lock on the doors to prevent loss en-route....were they just a run-of-the-mill padlock type of affair or was there some standardisation, and were they applied by the railroad Agent or by the shipper?

Regards
Paul Woods

Whangarei, NZ


Re: Priming w/Yellow

Aley, Jeff A
 

Hi Bill,

 

               How many coats of primer is on the model?

 

Thanks,

 

-Jeff

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill Welch
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2020 3:54 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Priming w/Yellow

 

Just primed my M-K-T company built War Emergency boxcar w/Badger's Neutral Yellow primer.

Bill Welch


Re: Model: CB&Q "Bomber Boxcar"

John Larkin
 

Jim,

Thanks for the info.  I've been trying to figure out where the tracks ran in and it appears to be from the northwest side of the base, just looking at the connecting railroad configuration and how it could have run into or next to (looks like something was there) the buildings.  There is also a very short section of track left in place off the CB&Q line on the southeast side of the base, and what may be (from Google) a connection at the other end to the former MP that also served the buildings on the north.

Our building is the oldest on base, and it includes a 3' thick brick wall inside.  Evidently it had been a stable, a blacksmith shop and, according to an unofficial source, a train depot though I'm not sure where or how the track connection could have been made.  No B-29s there any more though there are a couple of B-52s at the main entrance and a B-17 inside the base on the south side.

Lot of history on that base, I'm just trying to get a handle on the railroad side of it.  I only got stuck with Officer of the Day duty a couple of times, but overseas not there. 

John Larkin



On Monday, March 16, 2020, 12:27:02 PM CDT, james murrie via Groups.Io <bi291@...> wrote:


The B-26 and later B-29 assembly plant was the Martin factory on what is now Offutt AFB(previously Fort Crook) south of Bellevue NE.  The building was later made part of the base and called "Building C" when I was stationed there in the 1970s.  You could still see the floors made out of wooden blocks.  We used to go jogging on the lower floor (below ground level) in the winter.  They had also put in a bowling alley and a lot of other things including a "Sattelite Control Squadron" that officially controlled weather satellites for AF Global Weather Central. On the other hand, we also had a strategic reconnaissance wing.
The big end doors at the end of what had been the assembly line rolled out into the end of the runway.  One of the B-29s that dropped the atomic bomb was built there.  It was very close to the tracks that ran south out of Omaha. I believe the official station name was Fort Crook even in the 1970s.
Even though I was stationed at SAC HQ, I spent several nights in the building when I was tagged for Officer of the Day duty.

Jim Murrie


Re: New '37 AAR box cars with Deco and NSC-2 ends

golden1014
 

I don't intend for this to be a criticism, just an observation.  I ordered an Intermountain C&O box car with Deco ends about eight months before I moved to Germany.  That was in early 2015.  It's taken five years for those models to come to market!

John Golden
Ramstein-Miesenbach, Germany