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Re: Photo: B&O Tank Car X10

Charles Peck
 

The car appears to me to be missing a knuckle on the left end.  This suggests  the car may be in stationary service. 
Chuck Peck

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 12:31 PM Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:

Photo: B&O Tank Car X10

A Doug Lilly photo:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/149706553@N05/27073486079/in/album-72157689269937726/

Caption: "The Baltimore & Ohio kept company-service tank cars at some of its engine facilities, presumably for fuel storage. Photos exist showing cars that appear to be of later vintage, but this example at Glenwood Yard near Pittsburgh looks to be of a prewar design. With its stirrup steps mounted away from the corners and transverse brake wheel, this care has features consistent with UTLX tank cars from the 1930’s."

I assume the presence of single vertical rivet rows along the body indicates this tank car was built early in the 1900s.

So what do we have here?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: B&O Tank Car X10

Dennis Storzek
 

Similar to this car at the Mid-Continent Railway Museum:

https://www.midcontinent.org/equipment-roster/steel-freight-cars/utlx-12283/

I wouldn't be surprised if the B&O purchased their tankcars second hand.

Dennis Storzek 


Re: Photo: Barrels in A Boxcar

Tony Thompson
 

Dennis Storzek wrote:

Subterfuge helped also; once sealed that carload of beer didn't look any different than a carload of anvils. Which is one of the reasons that all the gaudy brewery paint schemes disappeared from brewery owned cars early. Any value of advertising was more than offset by the increased pilferage that came with making the cars marked targets.

    Yet in the late 1950s, several brewers, including Miller and Pearl Beer, put their logos onto insulated box cars. (photos in the Hendrickson-Kaminski billboard reefer book) Maybe they began to value advertising again.


Tony Thompson




Re: New '37 AAR box cars with Deco and NSC-2 ends

Bob Chapman
 

Clark Propst writes:
I built a C&O model years ago using a Des Plaines Viking roof kit. I used Keith Reterrer (sp) ends and doors....


A bit later, Sunshine issued the car as a kit, an enticing prototype to lighten my billfold at Naperville. No five-year wait, and the modeling opportunity -- priceless.    :)       I did the transition era paint/lettering scheme -- the as-delivered black was pretty much gone by then. And yes, it has avoided weathering shop so far....

Regards,
Bob Chapman



T & P 40915

Hudson Leighton <hudsonl@...>
 

T & P 40915 circa 1926 possibly Puyallup, WA.


Re: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: B&O Tank Car X10

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Bob;

 

Although it does not have the characteristic UTLX defect card holders, the rest of the car looks to be a intended as a UTLX “Type X”, of pre-WW1 vintage, probably 1911+ or – 3.  Give-aways include: side of dome “elbow” safety vents, 5 course radial tank, indented steps, riveted built-up deep center sill, and transverse brake stand/wheel with associated rigging.

 

Hope that helps,

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Chaparro via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 12:32 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] [RealSTMFC] Photo: B&O Tank Car X10

 

Photo: B&O Tank Car X10

A Doug Lilly photo:

Blockedhttps://www.flickr.com/photos/149706553@N05/27073486079/in/album-72157689269937726/

Caption: "The Baltimore & Ohio kept company-service tank cars at some of its engine facilities, presumably for fuel storage. Photos exist showing cars that appear to be of later vintage, but this example at Glenwood Yard near Pittsburgh looks to be of a prewar design. With its stirrup steps mounted away from the corners and transverse brake wheel, this care has features consistent with UTLX tank cars from the 1930’s."

I assume the presence of single vertical rivet rows along the body indicates this tank car was built early in the 1900s.

So what do we have here?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: C&O 40' 1930 Automobile Boxcar

Chuck Cover
 

I just measured my F&C model #6770 and it is the correct height as compared to the prototype schematic in the Freight Car Equipment of the C&O Railway, August 1, 1937.  They were built in 1930 and ran through the 60s.  I reason that I bought the kit was because they are a bit shorter in height than most automobile boxcars and give the consist and different look.  We don’t want all 10’4” 40’ auto boxcars do we?

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM


Re: New '37 AAR box cars with Deco and NSC-2 ends

Richard Townsend
 

I may be mistaken, but as I recall, at the time of the changeover the new owners said old orders would be honored. I'm sure that was well-intentioned, but I never really thought that would happen. I don't hold it against them and I go to Caboose whenever I get to Denver. I had covered my bets later by ordering through my "local" (90 miles away) hobby shop (the Whistle Stop in Portland) and they called me yesterday to say my order had come in. It's all good.

Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, OR


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From: Larry Wolohon <larrywolohon@...>
To: main <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Mar 16, 2020 10:36 pm
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] New '37 AAR box cars with Deco and NSC-2 ends

I rather doubt that you would hear from the new Caboose as the ownership is all new & all the personal there are all new. Larry Wolohon

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From: Richard Townsend via Groups.Io
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Sent: March 14, 2020 at 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] New '37 AAR box cars with Deco and NSC-2 ends

I wonder if I will hear from Caboose Hobbies. I put an order in before they closed down on Broadway.


Re: New '37 AAR box cars with Deco and NSC-2 ends

Clark Propst
 

That model was built 20/25 yrs ago? I remember an article in MainLine Modeler? where a guy modeled a bunch of C&O cars. I believe that's how I contacted Keith at the time. About that time Keith got ahold of a freight car photo collection. Then he died! We come out of the grave for CCB this past January. I'm sure someone has his new contact info? I don't.
CW Propst 


Re: Priming w/Yellow

Ken Adams
 
Edited

When I can get hold of some (on CV-19 lockdown at moment) I will try it out in my PreVal sprayer. 

Hmmm Tamiya has a Pink Surface Primer......I use the Red Oxide and Light grey regularly and have a can of white as well available
--
Ken Adams


Photo: B&O Tank Car X10

Bob Chaparro
 

Photo: B&O Tank Car X10

A Doug Lilly photo:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/149706553@N05/27073486079/in/album-72157689269937726/

Caption: "The Baltimore & Ohio kept company-service tank cars at some of its engine facilities, presumably for fuel storage. Photos exist showing cars that appear to be of later vintage, but this example at Glenwood Yard near Pittsburgh looks to be of a prewar design. With its stirrup steps mounted away from the corners and transverse brake wheel, this care has features consistent with UTLX tank cars from the 1930’s."

I assume the presence of single vertical rivet rows along the body indicates this tank car was built early in the 1900s.

So what do we have here?

Thanks.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Barrels in A Boxcar

Clark Propst
 

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 08:36 AM, Mont Switzer wrote:
I’m sure boxcar loads of  bagged cement were shipped well into the 1960’s.  Most lumber years carried bagged cement back then, like the big box stores with lumber yards do now. 
One of the Mason City Ia. plants shipped bagged cement to their satellite facility in the Twin Cities by box car till the UP screwed everything up after they took over the CNW. Bags went out on flat beds all the time.
Here, hoppers stayed on home rails even with 5 RRs in town. Box cars were pool. Into the 60s cars from any road were loaded. In the mid/late 60s ? the CNW provided a fleet of cars
CW Propst


Re: Priming w/Yellow

Aley, Jeff A
 

Thanks Bill!  It looks great.  As a UP modeler, I’m sure I can think of uses for a yellow primer (e.g. UP stock cars).

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill Welch
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 3:53 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Priming w/Yellow

 

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 01:42 AM, Aley, Jeff A wrote:

Hi Bill, How many coats of primer is on the model?

Thanks,

-Jeff

 

Jeff: Several thin coats. I was also priming another roof and the Klasing Brake Wheel for the model during the same session. This is an Acrylic so it drys pretty quickly so with thin coats I could get coverage I wanted in one AB session.

I forgot to say that I sprayed with my Badger 155 Anthem AB w/.75mm needle/nozzle combo at 20 PSI. My modeling friend and list member George Toman put me onto the Neutral Yellow primer. he used it before painting with a Box Car Red and said he like the look of the BCR over the yellow. I plan to do this too on my WABASH war emergency build.

Bill Welch


Re: C&O 40' 1930 Automobile Boxcar

Clark Propst
 

C&O 9500 9500-9999 XM empty "3-16-48"     
C&O 9948 9500-9999 XM lumber      "2-1-49"                             
C&O 9948 9500-9999 XM lumber     "2-5-49"                             

Above are three of those cars from the Landmesser list Gene Green transcribed. The entire list was a 'give away' at Naperville around 2000 I believe?
CW Propst


Re: C&O 40' 1930 Automobile Boxcar

Garth Groff and Sally Sanford
 

C&O 9500-9500 were very short. The height over the running board was 13' 3 9/16", which is a pretty picky measurement, but that's what is on the GA drawing in Shaver's book. My 1959 ORER gives the IH as 8' 6", but the side doors only cleared a fraction over 8'

These cars were fitted with Evans auto loaders when new. During WWII the loaders were removed, though some may have been briefly restored after the war. Some of these cars went into auto parts service, but most were in general service. By 1959 there were still 425 cars left, all classed as XM. Some of these cars remained as late as the 1980s in MW service, since their twin side doors and the end doors made them useful in outfit trains. I think I have a negative awaiting scanning of one of the last taken at Charlottesville around 1986.

Attached is a photo of one such car on the Nelson & Albemarle in 1951 at Esmont, Virginia. The car was either carrying soapstone products of some sort, or is an empty. Other than pulpwood, soapstone was about all the N&A generated (the train is outbound to their C&O connection at Warren). The occasion was the recent delivery of N&A 1, a GE 44-tonner. Photographer Charles Arnold was engaged to take a series of views of the new diesel in action. The photo is from my personal collection.

Yours Aye,

Garth Groff  🦆


Re: Illinois Central #11346 w/extras

Bob Chaparro
 

Very nice detailing of this car.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Barrels in A Boxcar (Cement)

Bob Chaparro
 

In the San Jacinto Valley, CA, the arrival of the railroad in 1888 facilitated the inbound movement of construction materials for the Hemet Dam, located above Hemet in Garner Valley. The dam was constructed between 1891 and 1895. Cement for the dam came from Belgium and was shipped in 400-pound barrels around Cape Horn to San Diego, then by rail to San Jacinto. Over 20,000 barrels were used for the dam.

Bob Chaparro

Hemet, CA


Re: Photo: Barrels in A Boxcar

Mont Switzer
 

Clark and all,

 

The Lehigh Portland Cement plant in Mitchell, IN was on the B&O.  the Monon interchanged with the B&O at Mitchell and both railroads  provided covered hoppers to the plant for bulk loading.  I suspect the same was true for boxcars for bagged cement loading.

 

The B&O served another cement plant in southern Indiana indirectly.  The plant was at Speed, IN, on the PRR.  The plant owned/operated the Southern Indiana Railroad which switched the plant and  had trackage over a former electric line to Watson, IN so they could interchange with the B&O.  I always saw both B&O, PRR and other boxcars for bagged cement loading and B&O and PRR covered hoppers for bulk loading at the plant in Speed.

 

Where I’m going with all of this is in the 1950’s I would see B&O sidings in southern Indiana full of M-26 class low interior height boxcars just waiting for warm weather.  They were perfect for cement and gain loading in the area.  Most showed reweigh and repack stencils from the B&O shops in Washington, IN.

 

I’m sure boxcar loads of  bagged cement were shipped well into the 1960’s.  Most lumber years carried bagged cement back then, like the big box stores with lumber yards do now. 

 

FYI, I still weather my cement hoppers with real cement.  I use the fine cement the big box stores sell for setting lag bolts in foundations. 

 

Mont      

 

Montford L. Switzer

President

Switzer Tank Lines, Inc.

Fall Creek Leasing, LLC.

mswitzer@...

(765) 836-2914

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Clark Propst
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 10:50 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: Barrels in A Boxcar

 

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 07:29 AM, Mont Switzer wrote:

I know early cement loads shipped by truck consisted of bags stacked on flat bed trailers.  I just figured rail shipments were bags stacked in boxcars. 

 What were the barrels made of?

 Mont 

They were before my time Mont. Bet you could Google them? They have to go back a ways. I do have a photo of cloth sacks on a packing machine, don't know if it's dated? I have photos of paper sacks being filled at the packing machine, being 'trucked' into a box car, braced in a box car, or later (60s) coming off a palletizing machine.  Also first experiments with shipping sacks on flat beds. In Iowa trucks were not allowed to haul out of cement plants until 1960. 
There's a Lehigh plant in Mitchel Ind. The Lehigh plant here used Mitchel transport co. to haul their products. Have to think there's a connection.
CW Propst


Re: Priming w/Yellow

Jim Betz
 

  Has anyone tried using any of the craft acrylics in their air brush?  There
are many selections of color.  Be careful to not "go cheaper" - for most of
them there is a direct relationship between the amount of pigment in the
bottle and the cost and usually (especially for airbrushing?) more pigment
is better since you are thinning it out so much.
  I use craft acrylics for weathering washes all the time but haven't tried
shooting it.
  The bottle above looks exactly like the craft paints I buy at Michael''s or
other such places.  Suck it up - just because you are the only man in 
the store doesn't mean you have to wear time of the month protection 
to go in.
                                                                                 - Jim


Re: C&O 40' 1930 Automobile Boxcar

william darnaby
 

I seem to remember that there was a height issue as in too short.  I built one of these years ago and it just looked too short to me.  I must have compared it to published drawings and concluded that was so because I ended up selling the completed car on Ebay.

 

Bill Darnaby

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Eric Hansmann
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:52 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] C&O 40' 1930 Automobile Boxcar

 

I also built one of these C&O cars several years ago.

https://i0.wp.com/designbuildop.hansmanns.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/20150805_candoxm.jpg

 

I finished it up in 2015, snapped a few photos, then shipped it off to a friend’s layout.

 

Wasn’t there a height issue with these models?

 

 

Eric Hansmann

Murfreesboro, TN

 

 

 

 

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chuck Cover
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:28 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] C&O 40' 1930 Automobile Boxcar

 

Rich and all,

 

Attached are a couple of photos of the F&C built car sitting in Northumberland yard.

 

Chuck Cover

Santa Fe, NM