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Re: Railway Prototype Cyclopedia Volume 35

pennsylvania1954
 

Pro Custom Hobbies http://www.procustomhobbies.com is taking reservations now for $65.
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Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL


Re: Railway Prototype Cyclopedia Volume 35

Paul Krueger
 

Here is some more information from a bookseller who sells through Facebook and train shows.

Paul Krueger
Seattle, WA

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Railway Prototype Cyclopedia Vol. 35 – the 1937 AAR Box Car
by Silverlake Images
 
A brand new Railway Prototype Cyclopedia is being produced by Silverlake Images. Modelers and historians have long appreciated the definitive information provided in this series. RPC Vol. 35 – the 1937 AAR Box Car will be a 385 page work which will included photos, text, rosters and drawings of this basic building block of box car history. The work itself will have the appearance and standards of the previous 34 volumes. It will be traditionally press printed and of a quantity to meet and exceed initial demand. Delivery is expected during the fall season, well in time for holiday gift consideration. The book is currently in the final review and is expected to go to the printer in very early August.



Re: HO Red Caboose Post-War Welded Tank Car-Improved

pennsylvania1954
 

Hi Nelson--Thank you. Except for lower areas as mentioned, the model generally has the out of the box finish that Red Caboose provided. Added styrene and metal parts were hand painted with Scalecoat Engine Black.
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Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL


Re: HO Red Caboose Post-War Welded Tank Car-Improved

Paul Doggett
 

Steve 

That’s looks really nice.
Paul Doggett.   England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 


On 23 Jul 2020, at 12:51, Nelson Moyer <npmoyer@...> wrote:



Beautiful model, Steve. Please tell us how you painted and finished it to capture the appearance of the prototype semi-gloss finish.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of pennsylvania1954
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 11:10 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] HO Red Caboose Post-War Welded Tank Car-Improved

 

A few months ago I received this Red Caboose 10000 gal AC&F car as a kit lettered for UTLX. I had seen some unfavorable comments previously so I asked what improvements were needed. A very helpful list member forwarded Mont Switzer's excellent article from the Sept 1995 Mainline Modeler. After studying Mont's article and prototype photos, I decided that there was more that could be done. I have included the official AC&F photo which was most helpful. The most prominent issues I saw were the location and shape of the handrail. Red Caboose saw fit to locate the handrail at the midline of the tank. I thought it should be a bit higher. This was particularly noticeable on this UTLX version with the reporting marks visibly incorrect above the handrail. The brackets cast as part of the tank were easily removed, and new brackets, Detail Associates eyebolts, located and installed. I found the square corners of the original handrail objectionable so I fashioned a new one from brass wire. The photo shows weathering only partially done with grime airbrushed on the lower part of the car. The trucks are Exactrail Barber S2.

 

The UTLX number Red Caboose chose was 85339. Checking in my Jan 1955 ORER, I found series 80000 – 85999 for 100000 lb TL cars but only one car in the series. Must have been 85339. Seems a bit odd but I am sticking to it.

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL


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Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photos: 235, 000 Pound Casting, Very Short Flat Cars

Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

Dang, Claus, I deleted them!

 

Suffice it to say, they paralleled your points.  The trucks look foreign, not of American manufacture.  They are very heavy, something American RRs had yet to replicate.  The era of large Heavy-Duty flat cars, experimental hoppers, was yet to come, even as industry pushed them harder and harder.

 

The story of the PRR F28 and F29 is illustrative of this shoving match, but on the horizon.  This is WAY earlier.

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 10:12 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photos: 235, 000 Pound Casting, Very Short Flat Cars

 

Hi Elden,

 

Any chance you could forward to me one or more of the emails in that discussion? I'd love to read thru them

 

Claus

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 12:38 PM

Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photos: 235, 000 Pound Casting, Very Short Flat Cars

 

Claus;

 

We were holding a side discussion on this, and absolutely believe trucks were taken as war booty for use in the U.S. post-WW1.

 

Cheap way of obtaining HD trucks!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 5:27 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photos: 235, 000 Pound Casting, Very Short Flat Cars

 

Hi List Members,

 

I'll add that the trucks look identical to the ones on this car (see attached image). This is a move of a gun on the PRR thru Altoona PA in Dec 1918. (Note that a lower resolution copy of this same image is also available online at BlockedBlockedhttps://digital.hagley.org/PRR_ME04655 )

 

Also, there is a second image of a car, identical to Bethlehem Steel 900, this time with LV reporting marks available online at BlockedBlockedhttps://digital.hagley.org/PRR_ME04356 . It is - somewhat surprisingly - in the Hagley PRR Photo Archive and it has a PRR photo archive number ME4356 inscribed upon the negative! There is no question in my mind that  the LV car is the same car as Bethlehem 900.

 

I'm starting to conclude that these trucks were moved and rebuilt/repurposed/resold at least a few times in their lifetime.

 

Claus Schlund

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 5:01 PM

Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photos: 235,000 Pound Casting, Very Short Flat Cars

 

Hi Bob, Bruce and List Members,

 

The image Bruce attached, of Bethlehem 900, sure looks a whole lot like this PRR car at the link below...

 

 

And the trucks in the images Bob posted sure look to be a match as well.

 

Claus Schlund

 

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Bruce Smith

Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2020 5:33 PM

Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photos: 235,000 Pound Casting, Very Short Flat Cars

 

Fascinating. These trucks are identical to those under Bethlehem Steel 900 in the attached photo. 

 

The PRR flat car(s) carrying "Big Bertha" to the Columbian Exposition were PRR class FG, 5116a, 5116b, 5117a, and 5117b. Class FG could be assembled as either a single car with 4 trucks, 2 span bolsters, and a bridge, or two cars consisting a two trucks and a bridge each. 

 

Clearly, the photo posted by Bob uses the load as the carbody, which was not at all unusual. You can see the pivot points on each car under the load. 

 

Ed - My interpretation of the numbering of the trucks is that the TWO in the photo Bob posted are the trucks for PRR 425483. The bridge has been replaced by the load. There are another two trucks and car body/bridge that would make up 425484

 

Regards,

Bruce

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Charlie Vlk <cvlk@...>
Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2020 2:57 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photos: 235,000 Pound Casting, Very Short Flat Cars

 

I suspected that it was a PRR car….funny that it doesn’t have any reporting marks other than the number, at least that I noticed on the photo.

This may be the “car” used to haul the Krupp Gun barrel to the 1893 Columbian Exposition.  I don’t think I retained any pictures of that car but the European-style “trucks” look familiar.

Charlie Vlk

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of spsalso via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2020 2:53 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photos: 235,000 Pound Casting, Very Short Flat Cars

 

The drawbar is that big thing on top with all the writing on it.

A question might be whether the whole assembly (car and load) was ever mixing into a generic train, or was handled individually.  The second photo hints at the latter.  Maybe.

Too, a person might wonder how the subject car was returned empty.  Maybe that gon is carrying the "return drawbar".

The car is listed in my November 1926 ORER as PRR 425483 and 425484 (In the photos, it's 425483 A and B).  Capacity is listed as 150,000 pounds.  It's called a "Flat, Gun and Cable Steel".



Ed

Edward Sutorik









On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 11:37 AM, mel perry wrote:

no drawbar or coupler?

mel perry

 


Re: wheel weathering (was Photo: Boiler On NYC Flatcar)

Tim O'Connor
 


A fun experiment would be to put the wheelset in a drill chuck and get it rotating, and then drop a tiny
drop of thin paint exactly in the center - just to see if it replicates this look. :-)


On 7/23/2020 9:18 AM, Matt Goodman via groups.io wrote:
Agreed on the “no rusty wheels”. I’ve been working on prototypically modeling/weathering wheel faces for solid bearing trucks recently. Every time I think I have an accurate and easily reproducible method, I find another well-lit photo illustrating some new oil pattern. In this case, it was the radial streaking - different than the more common “soft” circumferential wicking from the hub outward and tire inward. 

This wheel face is relatively clean - maybe there simply hasn’t been enough dirt/dust yet collected to absorb and distribute the oil more evenly. In any case, another well-lit reference. 



Matt Goodman
Columbus, Ohio


--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photos: 235, 000 Pound Casting, Very Short Flat Cars

Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
 

Hi Elden,
 
Any chance you could forward to me one or more of the emails in that discussion? I'd love to read thru them
 
Claus
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photos: 235, 000 Pound Casting, Very Short Flat Cars

Claus;

 

We were holding a side discussion on this, and absolutely believe trucks were taken as war booty for use in the U.S. post-WW1.

 

Cheap way of obtaining HD trucks!

 

Elden Gatwood

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Claus Schlund \(HGM\)
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 5:27 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [Non-DoD Source] Re: [RealSTMFC] Photos: 235, 000 Pound Casting, Very Short Flat Cars

 

Hi List Members,

 

I'll add that the trucks look identical to the ones on this car (see attached image). This is a move of a gun on the PRR thru Altoona PA in Dec 1918. (Note that a lower resolution copy of this same image is also available online at Blockedhttps://digital.hagley.org/PRR_ME04655 )

 

Also, there is a second image of a car, identical to Bethlehem Steel 900, this time with LV reporting marks available online at Blockedhttps://digital.hagley.org/PRR_ME04356 . It is - somewhat surprisingly - in the Hagley PRR Photo Archive and it has a PRR photo archive number ME4356 inscribed upon the negative! There is no question in my mind that  the LV car is the same car as Bethlehem 900.

 

I'm starting to conclude that these trucks were moved and rebuilt/repurposed/resold at least a few times in their lifetime.

 

Claus Schlund

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 5:01 PM

Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photos: 235,000 Pound Casting, Very Short Flat Cars

 

Hi Bob, Bruce and List Members,

 

The image Bruce attached, of Bethlehem 900, sure looks a whole lot like this PRR car at the link below...

 

 

And the trucks in the images Bob posted sure look to be a match as well.

 

Claus Schlund

 

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Bruce Smith

Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2020 5:33 PM

Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photos: 235,000 Pound Casting, Very Short Flat Cars

 

Fascinating. These trucks are identical to those under Bethlehem Steel 900 in the attached photo. 

 

The PRR flat car(s) carrying "Big Bertha" to the Columbian Exposition were PRR class FG, 5116a, 5116b, 5117a, and 5117b. Class FG could be assembled as either a single car with 4 trucks, 2 span bolsters, and a bridge, or two cars consisting a two trucks and a bridge each. 

 

Clearly, the photo posted by Bob uses the load as the carbody, which was not at all unusual. You can see the pivot points on each car under the load. 

 

Ed - My interpretation of the numbering of the trucks is that the TWO in the photo Bob posted are the trucks for PRR 425483. The bridge has been replaced by the load. There are another two trucks and car body/bridge that would make up 425484

 

Regards,

Bruce

Bruce Smith

Auburn, AL


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of Charlie Vlk <cvlk@...>
Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2020 2:57 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photos: 235,000 Pound Casting, Very Short Flat Cars

 

I suspected that it was a PRR car….funny that it doesn’t have any reporting marks other than the number, at least that I noticed on the photo.

This may be the “car” used to haul the Krupp Gun barrel to the 1893 Columbian Exposition.  I don’t think I retained any pictures of that car but the European-style “trucks” look familiar.

Charlie Vlk

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of spsalso via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2020 2:53 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photos: 235,000 Pound Casting, Very Short Flat Cars

 

The drawbar is that big thing on top with all the writing on it.

A question might be whether the whole assembly (car and load) was ever mixing into a generic train, or was handled individually.  The second photo hints at the latter.  Maybe.

Too, a person might wonder how the subject car was returned empty.  Maybe that gon is carrying the "return drawbar".

The car is listed in my November 1926 ORER as PRR 425483 and 425484 (In the photos, it's 425483 A and B).  Capacity is listed as 150,000 pounds.  It's called a "Flat, Gun and Cable Steel".



Ed

Edward Sutorik









On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 11:37 AM, mel perry wrote:

no drawbar or coupler?

mel perry

 


Re: Railway Prototype Cyclopedia Volume 35

Tim O'Connor
 


Who is publishing ? Ed Hawkins and Pat Wider did the others, but Ed hasn't said anything.


On 7/22/2020 9:19 PM, Paul Krueger wrote:
I saw it at Ron's Books, but I'm sure there will be others selling it.

https://www.ronsbooks.com/RAILWAY-PROTOTYPE-CYCLOPEDIA-VOL-35_p_30444.html

Paul Krueger
Seattle, WA

--
Tim O'Connor
Sterling, Massachusetts


Re: Railway Prototype Cyclopedia Volume 35

Allen Cain
 

Here is what Ed told me:

The answer is yes, but I’m not the least bit involved with the new book. 

The RP CYC Publishing Co. ended business 3 years ago. The new Volume 35 book by Patrick C. Wider is an exclusive to be sold by Ron’s Books.
Ed

Allen Cain


Re: Photo: Boiler On NYC Flatcar

Matt Goodman
 

Agreed on the “no rusty wheels”. I’ve been working on prototypically modeling/weathering wheel faces for solid bearing trucks recently. Every time I think I have an accurate and easily reproducible method, I find another well-lit photo illustrating some new oil pattern. In this case, it was the radial streaking - different than the more common “soft” circumferential wicking from the hub outward and tire inward. 

This wheel face is relatively clean - maybe there simply hasn’t been enough dirt/dust yet collected to absorb and distribute the oil more evenly. In any case, another well-lit reference. 



Matt Goodman
Columbus, Ohio

Sent from my mobile

On Jul 21, 2020, at 10:27 PM, Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...> wrote:

On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 05:09 PM, Matt Goodman wrote:
The radial lubrication streaking on the left most wheel face caught my eye. Probably from a leak through the rear seal while standing still.
 
Solid bearing journal boxes don't really have seals... the rear opening was closed by a "dust guard" which in the period of this photo would have been wood.. The oil level was maintained below the level of the axle. if the box was over filled, the excess quickly ran out the back. In operation, capillary action brought the oil up into the ball of wool yarn "waste" (short strands of yarn of no use for weaving) where it wetted the exposed bottom of the axle. When the axle turned the oil was drawn in between the axle journal and the journal bearing, and the car actually rode on a film of oil. This was a "total loss" lubrication system, as the oil spread across the journal it came out both the front and back edges of the bearing, which were shoulders that acted as thrust bearings to keep the truck aligned with the wheels. The oil that crept out the back was flung out and ended up on the face of the wheel, which is why there are no rusty wheels during the steam era.

Dennis Storzek


Re: A better pin vise

John Sykes III
 

I bought a full set of 4 Starrett (166Z) pin vises through Amazon for $109 including tax, so will see when they get here.  I think I will like the cushioned grip, since my arthritis is getting worse these days.  I just replaced all the door knobs in my house with ADA door handles.  Much easier on my fingers.

-- John


Re: HO Red Caboose Post-War Welded Tank Car-Improved

Nelson Moyer
 

Beautiful model, Steve. Please tell us how you painted and finished it to capture the appearance of the prototype semi-gloss finish.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of pennsylvania1954
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 11:10 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] HO Red Caboose Post-War Welded Tank Car-Improved

 

A few months ago I received this Red Caboose 10000 gal AC&F car as a kit lettered for UTLX. I had seen some unfavorable comments previously so I asked what improvements were needed. A very helpful list member forwarded Mont Switzer's excellent article from the Sept 1995 Mainline Modeler. After studying Mont's article and prototype photos, I decided that there was more that could be done. I have included the official AC&F photo which was most helpful. The most prominent issues I saw were the location and shape of the handrail. Red Caboose saw fit to locate the handrail at the midline of the tank. I thought it should be a bit higher. This was particularly noticeable on this UTLX version with the reporting marks visibly incorrect above the handrail. The brackets cast as part of the tank were easily removed, and new brackets, Detail Associates eyebolts, located and installed. I found the square corners of the original handrail objectionable so I fashioned a new one from brass wire. The photo shows weathering only partially done with grime airbrushed on the lower part of the car. The trucks are Exactrail Barber S2.

 

The UTLX number Red Caboose chose was 85339. Checking in my Jan 1955 ORER, I found series 80000 – 85999 for 100000 lb TL cars but only one car in the series. Must have been 85339. Seems a bit odd but I am sticking to it.

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL



Re: [External] [RealSTMFC] HO Red Caboose Post-War Welded Tank Car-Improved

O Fenton Wells
 

Well done Steve nice looking car
Fenton 


On Jul 23, 2020, at 12:46 AM, naptownprr <jhunter@...> wrote:



Nice job, Steve.


Jim Hunter


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of pennsylvania1954 <stevehprr@...>
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 12:09 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [External] [RealSTMFC] HO Red Caboose Post-War Welded Tank Car-Improved
 
This message was sent from a non-IU address. Please exercise caution when clicking links or opening attachments from external sources.

A few months ago I received this Red Caboose 10000 gal AC&F car as a kit lettered for UTLX. I had seen some unfavorable comments previously so I asked what improvements were needed. A very helpful list member forwarded Mont Switzer's excellent article from the Sept 1995 Mainline Modeler. After studying Mont's article and prototype photos, I decided that there was more that could be done. I have included the official AC&F photo which was most helpful. The most prominent issues I saw were the location and shape of the handrail. Red Caboose saw fit to locate the handrail at the midline of the tank. I thought it should be a bit higher. This was particularly noticeable on this UTLX version with the reporting marks visibly incorrect above the handrail. The brackets cast as part of the tank were easily removed, and new brackets, Detail Associates eyebolts, located and installed. I found the square corners of the original handrail objectionable so I fashioned a new one from brass wire. The photo shows weathering only partially done with grime airbrushed on the lower part of the car. The trucks are Exactrail Barber S2.

 

The UTLX number Red Caboose chose was 85339. Checking in my Jan 1955 ORER, I found series 80000 – 85999 for 100000 lb TL cars but only one car in the series. Must have been 85339. Seems a bit odd but I am sticking to it.

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL


<UTLX 85339 R Lt Weather Lo Res.jpg>
<UTLX 39150 1-dome 10k ICC103W ACF series 39000-39499 blt 1951.jpg>


Re: [External] [RealSTMFC] HO Red Caboose Post-War Welded Tank Car-Improved

naptownprr
 

Nice job, Steve.


Jim Hunter


From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> on behalf of pennsylvania1954 <stevehprr@...>
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 12:09 AM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [External] [RealSTMFC] HO Red Caboose Post-War Welded Tank Car-Improved
 
This message was sent from a non-IU address. Please exercise caution when clicking links or opening attachments from external sources.

A few months ago I received this Red Caboose 10000 gal AC&F car as a kit lettered for UTLX. I had seen some unfavorable comments previously so I asked what improvements were needed. A very helpful list member forwarded Mont Switzer's excellent article from the Sept 1995 Mainline Modeler. After studying Mont's article and prototype photos, I decided that there was more that could be done. I have included the official AC&F photo which was most helpful. The most prominent issues I saw were the location and shape of the handrail. Red Caboose saw fit to locate the handrail at the midline of the tank. I thought it should be a bit higher. This was particularly noticeable on this UTLX version with the reporting marks visibly incorrect above the handrail. The brackets cast as part of the tank were easily removed, and new brackets, Detail Associates eyebolts, located and installed. I found the square corners of the original handrail objectionable so I fashioned a new one from brass wire. The photo shows weathering only partially done with grime airbrushed on the lower part of the car. The trucks are Exactrail Barber S2.

 

The UTLX number Red Caboose chose was 85339. Checking in my Jan 1955 ORER, I found series 80000 – 85999 for 100000 lb TL cars but only one car in the series. Must have been 85339. Seems a bit odd but I am sticking to it.

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL



HO Red Caboose Post-War Welded Tank Car-Improved

pennsylvania1954
 

A few months ago I received this Red Caboose 10000 gal AC&F car as a kit lettered for UTLX. I had seen some unfavorable comments previously so I asked what improvements were needed. A very helpful list member forwarded Mont Switzer's excellent article from the Sept 1995 Mainline Modeler. After studying Mont's article and prototype photos, I decided that there was more that could be done. I have included the official AC&F photo which was most helpful. The most prominent issues I saw were the location and shape of the handrail. Red Caboose saw fit to locate the handrail at the midline of the tank. I thought it should be a bit higher. This was particularly noticeable on this UTLX version with the reporting marks visibly incorrect above the handrail. The brackets cast as part of the tank were easily removed, and new brackets, Detail Associates eyebolts, located and installed. I found the square corners of the original handrail objectionable so I fashioned a new one from brass wire. The photo shows weathering only partially done with grime airbrushed on the lower part of the car. The trucks are Exactrail Barber S2.

 

The UTLX number Red Caboose chose was 85339. Checking in my Jan 1955 ORER, I found series 80000 – 85999 for 100000 lb TL cars but only one car in the series. Must have been 85339. Seems a bit odd but I am sticking to it.

Steve Hoxie
Pensacola FL



Re: Railway Prototype Cyclopedia Volume 35

spsalso
 

I bought all of them.  So far.

My e-mail has never changed.

I have received nothing regarding Volume 35.


Ed


Edward Sutorik


Re: Railway Prototype Cyclopedia Volume 35

Tony Thompson
 

Paul Krueger wrote:

Evidently, there is a new volume of Railway Prototype Cyclopedia coming this fall. I'm surprised I didn't see this mentioned here. Maybe I missed it?

    Obvious thing to do is to check with Pat Wider or Ed Hawkins.


Tony Thompson




Re: Railway Prototype Cyclopedia Volume 35

Schuyler Larrabee
 

I sent him an inquiry.

 

Schuyler

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io <main@RealSTMFC.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nelson Moyer
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 10:23 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Railway Prototype Cyclopedia Volume 35

 

Ed sent email announcements to those who had purchased previous volumes, but I didn’t get one for this new volume. The previous announcements said if you prepay, shipping was free. Maybe Ed or Pat will clarify the situation for this new Volume soon.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Paul Krueger
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 7:29 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Railway Prototype Cyclopedia Volume 35

 

Evidently, there is a new volume of Railway Prototype Cyclopedia coming this fall. I'm surprised I didn't see this mentioned here. Maybe I missed it?

Paul Krueger
Seattle, WA

==========

Volume 35 is a special super-sized edition comprising 385 pages, which contain much useful prototype information in one extensive, comprehensive article on the following subject:

 

Genesis of The A.A.R. Standard 40' Box Car: a part of the continuing series covering 20th century American box, automobile, and refrigerator car designs, the 385-page article by Pat Wider centers on the Association of American Railroads' Standard Box Car of 1937. The A.A.R. design of 1937 was a further development of the American Railway Association's Standard Box Car of 1932. Improvements included increased inside dimensions, better riding trucks, standardization of vendor-supplied car body components, improved friction draft gear and automatic air brake systems, longer-lasting wheels, stronger designs and floors, and safer and easier to operate power hand brakes. Brief histories of the standardization and impact of these various sub-systems on the railroad industry through World War II are included as well as descriptions of several post-war developments. This volume provides the ideal prelude to the 6-inch taller A.A.R. alternate standard box cars built during and after the war.

 

This comprehensive article includes 5 tables, 15 historical railroad industry sidebars, 33 industry trade ads, 47 U.S. patents, 72 diagrams, and 428 B&W photographs of 10-foot inside height (or slightly less) A.A.R. Standard Box Cars of 1937 built from May, 1936, until December, 1948. The article includes much valuable information on the relevant box cars for the following railroads: A&EC, A&WP, ACL, AT&SF, B&O, BM, C&EI, C&O, CG, CGW, CIL, CN, COPR, CP, CR, D&M, DL&W, Erie, FEC, Georgia, GM&O, IHB, ITC, KCS, L&C, L&N, LS&I, LV, M&StL, MEC, NADHM, NC&StL. NdeM, NH, NJI&I, NKP, NP, NPF, NS, NSD, NYC, ONT, P&LE, PM, RDG, RSCX, SAL, SL-SF, Soo Line, Southern, SP, T&NO, T&P, TC, UP, VGN, W&LE, WAB, WM, WofA, and WP.

 

  

$75.00


Re: Railway Prototype Cyclopedia Volume 35

Nelson Moyer
 

Ed sent email announcements to those who had purchased previous volumes, but I didn’t get one for this new volume. The previous announcements said if you prepay, shipping was free. Maybe Ed or Pat will clarify the situation for this new Volume soon.

 

Nelson Moyer

 

From: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io [mailto:main@RealSTMFC.groups.io] On Behalf Of Paul Krueger
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 7:29 PM
To: main@RealSTMFC.groups.io
Subject: [RealSTMFC] Railway Prototype Cyclopedia Volume 35

 

Evidently, there is a new volume of Railway Prototype Cyclopedia coming this fall. I'm surprised I didn't see this mentioned here. Maybe I missed it?

Paul Krueger
Seattle, WA

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Volume 35 is a special super-sized edition comprising 385 pages, which contain much useful prototype information in one extensive, comprehensive article on the following subject:

 

Genesis of The A.A.R. Standard 40' Box Car: a part of the continuing series covering 20th century American box, automobile, and refrigerator car designs, the 385-page article by Pat Wider centers on the Association of American Railroads' Standard Box Car of 1937. The A.A.R. design of 1937 was a further development of the American Railway Association's Standard Box Car of 1932. Improvements included increased inside dimensions, better riding trucks, standardization of vendor-supplied car body components, improved friction draft gear and automatic air brake systems, longer-lasting wheels, stronger designs and floors, and safer and easier to operate power hand brakes. Brief histories of the standardization and impact of these various sub-systems on the railroad industry through World War II are included as well as descriptions of several post-war developments. This volume provides the ideal prelude to the 6-inch taller A.A.R. alternate standard box cars built during and after the war.

 

This comprehensive article includes 5 tables, 15 historical railroad industry sidebars, 33 industry trade ads, 47 U.S. patents, 72 diagrams, and 428 B&W photographs of 10-foot inside height (or slightly less) A.A.R. Standard Box Cars of 1937 built from May, 1936, until December, 1948. The article includes much valuable information on the relevant box cars for the following railroads: A&EC, A&WP, ACL, AT&SF, B&O, BM, C&EI, C&O, CG, CGW, CIL, CN, COPR, CP, CR, D&M, DL&W, Erie, FEC, Georgia, GM&O, IHB, ITC, KCS, L&C, L&N, LS&I, LV, M&StL, MEC, NADHM, NC&StL. NdeM, NH, NJI&I, NKP, NP, NPF, NS, NSD, NYC, ONT, P&LE, PM, RDG, RSCX, SAL, SL-SF, Soo Line, Southern, SP, T&NO, T&P, TC, UP, VGN, W&LE, WAB, WM, WofA, and WP.

 

  

$75.00


Re: Photo: PRR Boxcar 52592

vincent altiere <steel77086@...>
 

Hello Garth and Sally,

Pretty sure the truck in that photo is a Sterling, although I don't know the specific model.


-----Original Message-----
From: Garth Groff and Sally Sanford <mallardlodge1000@...>
To: main@realstmfc.groups.io
Sent: Wed, Jul 22, 2020 6:45 am
Subject: Re: [RealSTMFC] Photo: PRR Boxcar 52592

Friends,

The information attached to this photo gives some very specific information about location, etc. It does not tell us the marque of the truck. I suspect it is an Autocar of about 1930 vintage, but the radiator top raised above the hood isn't quite right based on my books. Otherwise, radiator bars, fender shape, hood louvres and cab are all very close. Any truck mavens out there want to chime in?

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff  🦆

On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 5:51 PM Bob Chaparro via groups.io <chiefbobbb=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
Photo: PRR Boxcar 52592
A 1933 photo from the Hoboken Historical Museum:
Click on the photo to enlarge it.
Good view of the "B" end.
Bob Chaparro
Hemet, CA

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